What American M-L party is most likely to become a vanguard, if one ever does?

I honestly have no guesses and no clue. There are so many tiny parties in the U.S. that all claim to be anti-revisionist Marxist Leninist parties, fighting the big fight to become the U.S. working class' vanguard. Most of them have no more than a few hundred people nationwide though. The biggest self-proclaimed Communist party in the U.S. is the Communist Party USA, which doesn't even put forward candidates for elections anymore and instead has been supporting the Democratic Party because of "lesser of two evil" politics. They also have abandoned revolution in favor of reformism, pushing for the practically impossible idea of just adding a few amendments to the constitution to somehow bring socialism to the U.S.A. The second biggest is the Socialist Party USA, which is totally reformist and ruled by social-democrats.

As for the smaller ones, they're all too young or small to really tell for me.

I honestly have no guesses and no clue. There are so many tiny parties in the U.S. that all claim to be anti-revisionist Marxist Leninist parties, fighting the big fight to become the U.S. working class' vanguard. Most of them have no more than a few hundred people nationwide though. The biggest self-proclaimed Communist party in the U.S. is the Communist Party USA, which doesn't even put forward candidates for elections anymore and instead has been supporting the Democratic Party because of "lesser of two evil" politics. They also have abandoned revolution in favor of reformism, pushing for the practically impossible idea of just adding a few amendments to the constitution to somehow bring socialism to the U.S.A. The second biggest is the Socialist Party USA, which is totally reformist and ruled by social-democrats.

As for the smaller ones, they're all too young or small to really tell for me.

The reason why these groups are small because they lack any radical new ideas. Most of their ideas have only been tried in socialist nations with great leaders, but are rejected just as soon as set leader becomes incapacitated.

I recognize that none are not currently, but to other M-Ls, which party do you think has the best chance for success, if any?

I would have to say of the small groups out there only the American party of labor has any real chance of becoming a vanguard party in the United States. With that said I don't think they will be increasing in size anytime soon, unless they are able to actually come up with radical new ideas that have not been tried before. They at least they'll have a party platform which is much more than what I've seen from the largest so-called communist group, the Communist party of the United States.

Sample of the American party of labor' platfrom

Workers
1. We demand that all means of production be in the hands of the working class through the socialist state, represented through worker councils or elected managers with production estimates provided by the state.
2. We support the right of all workers to organize.
3. We demand a 30-hour work week with at least six weeks of annual paid vacation.
4. We demand retirement pensions to be no less than 75% of a person’s pay at the time of retirement enacted after at least 15 years of work.
5. We demand the repealing of all laws designed to hurt and weaken the working class.
6. We demand the payment of the full value of labor for the working peoples of America.
7. We demand the right for part-time workers to be eligible for benefits as well as the right to join a union.
8. We demand a living wage that is indexed to inflation.
9. We demand an end to corporate welfare and tax breaks to corporations.
10. We are against the militarization of the U.S.-Mexican border.
11. We support the rights of soldiers to form councils/unions to represent them collectively, as well as to leave the military regardless of their enlistment status or in protest to imperialist wars.

The rest is at;

http://americanpartyoflabor.org/publ...party-of-labor

Interesting.

But what about in the UK? Any views on the M-L groups there? Any ideas?

Interesting.

But what about in the UK? Any views on the M-L groups there? Any ideas?

the UK and Canada are much better places to find a vanguard party than the United States. Many of the parties here in the United States are small by comparison to these part parties. In fact the right wing has to run a large number of more left-wing liberal parties in order to compete with the draw of communism from these parties. Much like how the United Russia party must look more left in order to stop a takeover from the communist party of the Russian Federation.

UK: There are three main party form what I can tell, but I think that Stalin Society is easily the link between the three party.
http://www.stalinsociety.org.uk/


Canada: Canada has one main group as far as I can tell. But when it comes to the communist party in Canada, I would like to hear more about them from those communist living in Canada.
http://www.mlpc.ca/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communi...rxist-Leninist)

UK: There are three main party form what I can tell, but I think that Stalin Society is easily the link between the three party.
http://www.stalinsociety.org.uk/

Yes, and a few small groups (I used to be connected to one in Newcastle which was smallish but did get a lot done). Most parties are Trotskyist near me though sadly.

Yes, and a few small groups (I used to be connected to one in Newcastle which was smallish but did get a lot done). Most parties are Trotskyist near me though sadly.

Do you live in the UK? where?

The Borders. That is the Scotland-England one not the one with England and Wales or any other border; *THE* Border.

I don't mind saying this, the "powers at be" can find me if they want anyway. RevLeft isn't that important to them.

The Borders. That is the Scotland-England one not the one with England and Wales or any other border; *THE* Border.

I don't mind saying this, the "powers at be" can find me if they want anyway. RevLeft isn't that important to them.

That's cool. Are many people in northern England much like in "Desparate scousewives", not that I watch that shit.


North london right here!

That's cool. Are many people in northern England much like in "Desparate scousewives", not that I watch that shit.

Nah, Liverpool is more of an Irish colony (a good thing) and thus has a rather distinct culture (though I doubt that show is accurate). That said the far north (Liverpool is only just in the North; using the tradition of using the Mersey and Humber as the southern border of the North) is also quite culturally distinct from many other parts; it's more like eastern Lowland Scotland and eastern Lowland Scotland is very different from the Highlands and much of the West. I'm a pan-Northron anyway so I don't care a jot for the dividing line drawn on a map anyway.

North london right here!

We are both "Northrons" of sorts then!

Yes, and a few small groups (I used to be connected to one in Newcastle which was smallish but did get a lot done). Most parties are Trotskyist near me though sadly.

Same here. One of the problems of the communist movement in the West I suppose.

Luckily however the Trotskyist and Anarchist dominated state of the Left is almost completely confined to Europe and North America. As much as many complain most of the revolutionaries in conflict today, throughout the world, are plain Marxist-Leninist or Marxist-Leninist-Maoist. Which shows a problem with the West in their disconnectedness with the world's proletariat.

You make good points, Siren Bang and GallowsBird. Left Communism and Trotskyism are the most Eurocentric forms of communism. I have never known any followers of those ideologies from Latin America and Asia (they have them, but they are rare). Trotskyists are also not very easy to distinguish from liberals half the time. Some are worthy of respect, but many are just armchair-communists or pseudo-intellectuals.

And you'd be hard pressed to name major revolutionary movements that belong to those said ideologies.

Well,here,the only communist organisations are completely confused and are revisionist too.Titoists,Fake Marxists-Leninists and some "Anti-Imperialists".

They all support the DPRK,Laos,China,Cuba,Iran,Syria,etc etc.

A sorry bunch.

You make good points, Siren Bang and GallowsBird. Left Communism and Trotskyism are the most Eurocentric forms of communism. I have never known any followers of those ideologies from Latin America and Asia (they have them, but they are rare). Trotskyists are also not very easy to distinguish from liberals half the time. Some are worthy of respect, but many are just armchair-communists or pseudo-intellectuals.

And you'd be hard pressed to name major revolutionary movements that belong to those said ideologies.

Exactly. And the communist movements that are actually scaring shit into their respective countries' bourgeoisie and police are Marxist-Leninsts and Maoists. The current movements in the world that are actually fighting and organizing the masses to a degree of success are those in the third world countries. See the PPW's in Peru, Nepal, India, the Philippines, and Turkey. And even many of the communist parties that have sizeable representation in the parliaments of their countries at least claim to usually be Marxist-Leninist.

Most Americans seem to be too attached to their capitalist system. Maybe American M-Ls should be currently only focusing on certain parts of the US which have very strong radical support.

Part of the problem is the opportunism of the two major parties. They have repeatedly historically absorbed third parties and tried to co-op movements. I also believe that American popular culture has actually made a lot of people really apathetic. People are so obsessed with consumer goods and having the nicest cell phones, video games, computers, clothes, cars, etc. I know tons of proletarians who are living pay check to pay check, yet they still save up a little of their money on the side with the hopes of buying nicer clothes or a new cell phone or whatever else have you. I think this apathy and indifference to politics can be traced back in a lot of ways to the 80's and 90's popular culture. But that's what comes with being in the largest imperialist nation in the world. The liberals are willing to make concessions to keep the proletariat relatively content with their lives under capitalism (not that there isn't dissent, because there actually still is a lot of it in the U.S., but it's certainly died down since the 1970's). They either don't care, don't know, or outright support their country's involvement in imperialism.

The parties have also been really good at making people think that they are the only options. In the broader scheme of political ideology, both the parties are pretty far on the right-wing for the most part, yet the Democrats are portrayed as communists and socialists even though they're actually imperialism-supporting welfare-statists for the most part (yet they've been moving more and more to the right ever since the Reagan era).

If you look at the histories of the labor and revolutionary leftist movements in the U.S. from the late 19th century up to World War II, you can find a lot of really inspiring stuff and I think that it seems likely that the U.S. would have had a revolution on its hands if WWII hadn't happened because of how bad the great depression was.