"Workers' State" as a form of State Capitalism

  1. Lyev
    Lyev
    I'm trying to look around in some letters and in the Critique of the Gotha Program and whatnot for something that sufficiently backs up the claim that the dictatorship of the proletariat can only exist under capitalism -- intrinsically it is the stage in the development of revolution where dissent and bourgeois forces are fought back the united proletariat, or something along those lines, as far as I know. When revolutionaries and theorists then argue for a need of democracy (is Trotsky guilty of this?) in layers of society to combat authoritarianism and bureaucracy, such as in the former Soviet Union, are they slightly confused? This, from a letter of Engels to Bebel, was quite interesting, especially the first paragraph:
    The free people’s state is transformed into the free state. Grammatically speaking, a free state is one in which the state is free vis-*-vis its citizens, a state, that is, with a despotic government. All the palaver about the state ought to be dropped, especially after the Commune, which had ceased to be a state in the true sense of the term. The people’s state has been flung in our teeth ad nauseam by the anarchists, although Marx’s anti-Proudhon piece and after it the Communist Manifesto declare outright that, with the introduction of the socialist order of society, the state will dissolve of itself and disappear. Now, since the state is merely a transitional institution of which use is made in the struggle, in the revolution, to keep down one’s enemies by force, it is utter nonsense to speak of a free people’s state; so long as the proletariat still makes use of the state, it makes use of it, not for the purpose of freedom, but of keeping down its enemies and, as soon as there can be any question of freedom, the state as such ceases to exist. We would therefore suggest that Gemeinwesen ["commonalty"] be universally substituted for state; it is a good old German word that can very well do service for the French “Commune.”

    "The elimination of all social and political inequality,” rather than “the abolition of all class distinctions,” is similarly a most dubious expression. As between one country, one province and even one place and another, living conditions will always evince a certain inequality which may be reduced to a minimum but never wholly eliminated. The living conditions of Alpine dwellers will always be different from those of the plainsmen. The concept of a socialist society as a realm of equality is a one-sided French concept deriving from the old “liberty, equality, fraternity,” a concept which was justified in that, in its own time and place, it signified a phase of development, but which, like all the one-sided ideas of earlier socialist schools, ought now to be superseded, since they produce nothing but mental confusion, and more accurate ways of presenting the matter have been discovered.
    But then here the famous short passage from Luxemburg:
    But socialist democracy is not something which begins only in the promised land after the foundations of socialist economy are created; it does not come as some sort of Christmas present for the worthy people who, in the interim, have loyally supported a handful of socialist dictators. Socialist democracy begins simultaneously with the beginnings of the destruction of class rule and of the construction of socialism. It begins at the very moment of the seizure of power by the socialist party. It is the same thing as the dictatorship of the proletariat.

    Yes, dictatorship! But this dictatorship consists in the manner of applying democracy, not in its elimination, but in energetic, resolute attacks upon the well-entrenched rights and economic relationships of bourgeois society, without which a socialist transformation cannot be accomplished. But this dictatorship must be the work of the class and not of a little leading minority in the name of the class – that is, it must proceed step by step out of the active participation of the masses; it must be under their direct influence, subjected to the control of complete public activity; it must arise out of the growing political training of the mass of the people.
    So then why does Luxemburg talk about dictatorship under socialism -- if I interpreted her correctly -- whilst Engels says the state "is merely a transitional institution of which use is made in the struggle, in the revolution, to keep down one’s enemies by force"? In other words, socialism is a negation of the state, right? I am quite confused.
  2. Alf
    Alf
    Sometimes in marxist writings (though not really in the writing of Marx and Engels) the transitional stage between capitalism and communism is described as socialism. I think this is confusing as it implies a second mode of production, whereas the transitional period would be characterised by a constant struggle between the tendency towards communism and the vestiges of bourgeois society. I prefer to see socialism as another word for communism - a society without classes and thus without any form of state, as you imply in your last comments
  3. Lyev
    Lyev
    Thanks for your reply. I think the deeper I delve into debates concerning the true nature of the state I have found much of the contention is in fact completely semantical. For example, not only the confusion between "socialism" > "communism", but also in the way Marxists and anarchists interpret the words "state", and "government" also.

    To add, can anyone direct me to some texts (preferably by Marx or Engels themselves) where they talk about dictatorship of the proletariat, the transitionary stage and the state? I have looked through Critique of the Gotha Program, but maybe I just couldn't find the correct parts, or the writing itself wasn't adequate enough, but it just didn't seem to sufficiently answer my questions. Is there anything else that corroborates with the view that "as soon as there can be any question of freedom, the state as such ceases to exist"? (this is from Engels' letter to Bebel). Thanks
  4. Zanthorus
    Zanthorus
    You may have already come across this article, but I'll post it for good measure:

    http://libcom.org/library/karl-marx-state

    I'll try and post something else tomorrow.
  5. Lyev
    Lyev
    Yeah I've come across that a few times before. It's very informative.
    What is clear from the above is that Marx did not hold an instrumental view of the state as a mere apparatus that can be administered by different social classes. It was the bourgeois expression of the illusory general interest in a divided society: the interests of private property given general force. Yet, the reader may be wondering where Marx’s theory of the dictatorship of the proletariat, a transitional state characterized by the “conquest of political power for this class,” comes in.17 In fact, in The German Ideology itself, the theory of proletarian dictatorship (not yet given this name) is presented rather clearly: ” . . . every class which is aiming at domination, even when its domination, as is the case with the proletariat, leads to the abolition of the old form of society in its entirety and of domination in general, must first conquer political power in order to represent its interest in turn as the general interest, which in the first moment it is forced to do.”18 The proletariat must represent its interest as the general interest because it must overthrow the old society in its entirety, transforming not only its own conditions of life, but those of other classes as well. It is not a question simply of equalizing social conditions, but of overthrowing a social class relationship that has spread over the entire globe: that of wage-labor and capital.

    Though his early writings focused on the bourgeois state as a specific historical form, Marx’s transhistorical definition of “the state” in general is also presented in The German Ideology, when Marx describes the state as “the form in which the individuals of a ruling class assert their common interests.”19 This definition of course does not describe the specific features of any real state or historical class of states. Any state nonetheless requires some organization of armed force, legislation, justice, etc., and a “worker’s state” would be no exception. What is significant about the above definition, however, is that it makes the concepts of “state” and “class rule” coterminous.20 On the same page we find also an excellent description of the bourgeois state: “By the mere fact that it is a class and no longer an estate, the bourgeoisie is forced to organize itself no longer locally, but nationally, and to give a general form to its average interests. Through the emancipation of private property from the community, the state has become a separate entity, alongside and outside civil society; but it is nothing more than the form of organisation which the bourgeois are compelled to adopt, both for internal and external purposes, for the mutual guarantee of their property and interests.”21
    For Marx, popular working class participation in governance is the necessary route to a rationally planned economy, or the abolition of bourgeois civil society. When the workers-the vast majority-reclaim the political power alienated to bureaucratic hierarchies, they subordinate the state power to their economic needs, or elevate civil society to the realm of politics. We will now look at Marx’s views on the transition to socialism.

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    Here we see the development of the concept of proletarian political power (or “state power,” as Marx sometimes referred to it): it has a social soul unlike any previous form of political power, but this class power necessarily takes a political (state) form because during the process of transition to socialism the antagonisms of civil society have not yet been completely abolished. Later Marx would label this transitional phase the period of the dictatorship of the proletariat. This quite simply meant the political rule of the working class. This transitional period, as Marx conceived it, did not entail the existence of a transitional form of society intervening between, and distinct from, capitalism and communism. The transitional period is essentially a period of revolutionary change. “Between capitalist and communist society,” wrote Marx, “lies the period of the revolutionary transformation of the one into the other.”24 The raison d’être of the proletarian state power is to bring the means of production into common ownership, to bring about the “expropriation of the expropriators,” as Marx described the aim of the Paris Commune.25

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    Clearly, this conception of “proletarian” government is distinct from the bourgeois state, or from any previous form of state power. As Marx makes clear in the above statements, he is referring to a proletarian “government” only in the sense that the working class uses general means of coercion to enforce its aims. Proletarian government is not used by Marx to mean that some elite group (assumedly the intellectuals, as Bakunin argued) would use general means of coercion over the whole proletariat, for that would rule out working class “self-government.” Rather, the proletariat as a whole would assert its class interests over an alien class (by abolishing private property, expropriating the capitalists and socializing the means of production, disbanding the standing army, etc.). For anarchists, who often define these terms somewhat differently, much of the confusion about Marx’s claim that the proletariat must wield political power seems to be based on Marx’s frequent use of the words “state” and “government.” But as we have seen, there is nothing anti-democratic about the meaning Marx attached to these words. Most anarchists, unlike Marx, define the state in terms of minority rule. It is easy for someone who uses this sort of definition to read Marx’s mention of a proletarian “state” and immediately associate it with oppression and detachment from effective popular control. The problem is that interpreting Marx in this way creates a number of contradictions in his writings that vanish when his basic theoretical framework is better understood.
    With all the above in mind, do you think in the State and Revolution amongst other writings, that Lenin very much over-emphasizes the state as an "instrument of class rule"? Is it somewhat eroneous to make "coterminous" the "state" and "class rule"? Briefly then, the dictatorship of the proletariat only exists whilst wage-labour and bourgeois property relations are mostly intact; it is a transition, where the working class are now the ruling class but in raising themselves to this position they "elevate civil society to the realm of politics". The state in this period is used as an organ of coercion to bleed the bourgeoisie of their power, and to defend proletarian democracy. I think this dual character of proletarian revolution -- gradually ending bourgeois rule whilst implementing indepedent working class decision-making -- is what Luxemburg is getting at when she talks about dictatorship, in the famous passage I first quoted. So, yes, I think "workers' state" is a form of state-capitalism, whether it is deformed and degenerated or otherwise. Therefore, disregarding the error in completely trying to separate the social and political, a call for just a political revolution is rendered moot. Can this then be explained by Trotsky's (and Lenin's?) mis-reading of Marx on the real nature of the bourgeois state?