I am a Irish American and I was wondering......

  1. The Hong Se Sun
    The Hong Se Sun
    I am over 50% (I think around like 65) Irish heritage but please understand that in the US people forget their culture and where they come from. SO I apologize if I sound ignorant, I really try to learn as much about Ireland as possible since the only thing most Irish Americans see as their culture is to drink whiskey and that the whole point of saint Patrick's day is to get drunk on Guinness. Oh and to pinch people who aren't wearing green (I punch people for pinching me)


    So, I have a few questions about Ireland and the people there.

    1, how much does the average person hate England GB the UK and what is the average persons feelings about Scotland?

    2, do a lot of Irish people feel connected to or sympathy for the Palestinians and their cause?

    3, why are Irish leftist so against the tri-color flag? Does it stand for something I may not know of or understand?

    4, are all leftist in Ireland anti-treaty?

    5, do you think there will ever be a united Ireland again?

    Any answers will be highly appreciated, I love my Irish heritage but always want to learn more.
  2. Hoggy_RS
    Hoggy_RS
    1, how much does the average person hate England GB the UK and what is the average persons feelings about Scotland?
    Not much at all really. Irish people are indifferent to Scotland.

    2, do a lot of Irish people feel connected to or sympathy for the Palestinians and their cause?
    Hugely so. Some of the biggest protests are in support of palestine and the cause attracts support from outside of traditional left wing circles such as from Labour party orientated people.

    3, why are Irish leftist so against the tri-color flag? Does it stand for something I may not know of or understand?
    Are they against it? It stands for a unity between catholic and protestants. I'd prefer the starry plough as a national flag.

    4, are all leftist in Ireland anti-treaty?
    No. Many leftists are not pro or anti treaty as their roots do not come from the republican tradition. All left wing republicans are anti-treaty though

    5, do you think there will ever be a united Ireland again?
    Hopefully if a revolution ever occurs it will result in a 32 county socialist republic.
  3. Andropov
    Andropov
    1, how much does the average person hate England GB the UK and what is the average persons feelings about Scotland?
    People dont hate England as such, more so they like to beat them in sports and what not, but I certainly wouldnt call it hate.
    As for Scotland, its neither really here nor there, they would kind of assosciate with them to a degree but its not really an issue.

    2, do a lot of Irish people feel connected to or sympathy for the Palestinians and their cause?
    Yup, the Pro-palestine movement is very big here, something that alot of people will get off the fence for.


    3, why are Irish leftist so against the tri-color flag? Does it stand for something I may not know of or understand?
    Not really, its just assosciated with the free state and PSF and what not so like some leftists here would rather make a clean break with the likes of the starry plough.


    4, are all leftist in Ireland anti-treaty?
    No not all.


    5, do you think there will ever be a united Ireland again?
    Maybe, hard to tell really.
  4. The Hong Se Sun
    The Hong Se Sun
    So what does the starry plough symbolize? You know that makes it more desirable than the tri-color?

    I'm glad to hear there is huge support for the Palestinian cause in Ireland. Being Irish American and knowing the history of my forefathers land is what led me to be involved in the Palestinian struggle.
  5. Jolly Red Giant
    Jolly Red Giant
    So what does the starry plough symbolize? You know that makes it more desirable than the tri-color?
    The starry plough was originally the flag of the Irish Citizens Army - a workers militia established by James Connolly and the Irish Transport and General Workers Union to defend pickets from attacks by the police and from thugs during the Dublin lock-out in 1913.

    The tricolour is the traditional flag of Irish nationalism. It is used by all the bourgeois parties in the Republic and by Irish republicans as well. The starry plough is also used by different strands of Irish republicanism.


    In relation to your original questions
    1, how much does the average person hate England GB the UK and what is the average persons feelings about Scotland?
    I would agree with most that there is not any decernable 'hatered' towards the English - except in sporting terms. What is really annoying is the way that the English commentators claim Irish sportspeople as their own, although it is not as big a problem as it used to be because most of the best commentators in England are Irish.

    2, do a lot of Irish people feel connected to or sympathy for the Palestinians and their cause?
    I think that many on the left in Ireland over-estimate the connection with the Palestinians. This is not to say it isn't an issue - just that it is a far bigger issue for left activists than for the working class in general.

    3, why are Irish leftist so against the tri-color flag? Does it stand for something I may not know of or understand?
    As state above - it is the flag of irish nationalism.

    4, are all leftist in Ireland anti-treaty?
    I am assuming you are talking about the 1922 treaty - and if this is the case I am surprised that both Hoggy and Andropov both stated that not all lefts are anti-treaty. I would suggest that if any Marxist claimed to be pro-treaty then they weren't a Marxist.

    5, do you think there will ever be a united Ireland again?
    A capitalism united Ireland is a non-runner. The native bourgeois class arrived too late on the scene of history to complete its historic tasks. A 'united' Ireland can only be achieved now as a result of the process of socialist revolution - as a socialist Ireland - however the component nature of that is indecernable at this time.

    Any answers will be highly appreciated, I love my Irish heritage but always want to learn more.
    I would suggest pushing your 'Irish' heritage into the background - Irish heritage tends to be clouded in romanticism. Your working class heritage (if you have one) is far more important and valuable.
  6. Comrade Mango
    Comrade Mango
    1, how much does the average person hate England GB the UK and what is the average persons feelings about Scotland?
    A few people I know do not like the British. they even go as far as supporting the IRA.


    5, do you think there will ever be a united Ireland again?
    Nope, not in my opinion.
  7. The Hong Se Sun
    The Hong Se Sun
    Thank you guys for your answers, Ive always been very interested in where my family came from.

    @ jolly red giant; I do put my poor/working class roots before anything
  8. Goatpie
    Goatpie
    I've never understood why Americans need to call them selves Irish american iv always considered it to be if you were born there your from there if not id be a hungarian,german,english irish man


    1, how much does the average person hate England GB the UK and what is the average persons feelings about Scotland? I don't see why i should hate them and i have no feelings toward scotland

    2, do a lot of Irish people feel connected to or sympathy for the Palestinians and their cause?
    Yes
    3, why are Irish leftist so against the tri-color flag? Does it stand for something I may not know of or understand?
    I'v never heard this before? but maybe because it has something to do with its based on religion. As well many Irish don't understand the flag a lot of Irish thing it means freedom from British and thats it.

    4, are all leftist in Ireland anti-treaty? Nope most secondary level students iv talked to in ireland agree that their teachers taught them that the treaty was far enough and the people who fought for it were idealist dreamers.

    5, do you think there will ever be a united Ireland again? Not any time soon things will get worse before better.
  9. Cork Socialist
    Cork Socialist
    , how much does the average person hate England GB the UK and what is the average persons feelings about Scotland? I don't think your average Irish person hates the english, we like to beat them in sports and things but not anymore than most neighbour countries.

    2, do a lot of Irish people feel connected to or sympathy for the Palestinians and their cause? I do, From what I have seen there is definitely a good size support base for Palestinians.

    3, why are Irish leftist so against the tri-color flag? Does it stand for something I may not know of or understand? I'm not personally against the Tri-colour,

    4, are all leftist in Ireland anti-treaty?
    No I don't think they are all against it, Infact i know a lot who a rather indifferent to it.
    5, do you think there will ever be a united Ireland again?
    Yes, But only by Uniting catholic and protestand working class people to put an end to secterianism and by building a Socialist United Ireland