I've been gone for a little while, getting busy to leave south Korea. HOLY SHIT! Why the hell is everyone anti-PSL and shit. Are they jealous? It's pathological how people just sit on the sidelines like it's their job to criticize everything--this is a huge year for the left! With the rise of the Latin American left, Nepalese Maoists, and the PSL educating and getting attention (and replacing that stale CPUSA and crazy RCP), we should be joining in. Sorry to vent, but seriously, what's going on?
well, it seems that since the PSL has gone out of being a back room party to actually getting out there and getting a few thousand votes, they are now no longer a viable party to support? i honestly dont get it. yeah so what if stevie's lines were not hardcore im going to start a revolution in long beach. that doesnt mean anything. they are appropriate for the situation. i think (if its true) most of the dissent is coming from left communists. i have no opinion on their politics though so i have nothing to say about it. overall i was thoroughly shocked by what happened in that thread.
You can learn to expect it. Being the most energetic party out there can bring a lot of criticism your way. However, we don't let it deter us.
It seems like many people (mostly left-communists) have a problem with elections which are used to give us a platform to reach out to the workers. Also what the hell up is with people like that Trotskyist who seems to think the platform wasn't internationalist enough for his likings when the person was running for Mayor of a city? I mean seriously as if talking about international stuff is going to come up in an election where you have about zero say in international foreign policy if you're elected to that position. Some of these people are braindead. And then there's some people who think the platform for running for mayor is "Overthrow capitalism, communist revolution, WORKERS OF THE WORLD UNITE!" as if that makes any sense in this context.
There is this bizaare strand of Marxist thought, particularly among many Trotskyists and left communists that idolizes isolation, marginalization, and defeat, as if that somehow is a mark of virtue. Any red group that actually makes it anywhere in their mind must have sold out. It's a kind of secular martyrdom complex really.
Crabs in a bucket. But seriously, I have at times wondered, privately to myself, whether or not SOME socialists like the idea of being on the political fringe and being radicals that the idea that socialism could become mainstream is unappealing. That, or you're just the kind of Marxist who feels the only actual way to challenge capitalism is one, massive strike that sweeps all over the nation simultaneously causing the state to collapse overnight...
Well said robocommie, if we went mainstream most of them would probably join the capitalist. Look, who cares what these trots and other left-communist think, right? Most are mad we are not anti-capitalist enough but like it was said before we can not expect to destroy US imperialism from a mayor position in LBC. And who ever said that our mayor candidate was not internationalist enough is a Utopian idiot. We are doing so well because we are involved in multiple struggles, because we are building a organic relationship with the poor/working class. How are we doing that? by being on the ground and being involved, not like other groups who stand on the side lines yelling at the masses to come over to their side. Only to critize every other socialist ever for not being socialist enough (trots) thus discrediting the whole movement. We are doing so well because unlike others we do not attempt to lead the masses around by a collar and chain. Unlike others we walk with and among the masses getting them involved and helping them further all of our struggles. (also we don't act like condescending jerks who try to show off how much we have read about socialism, and try to make people feel stupid)
What thread were people criticizing the PSL?
back when we had a thread about winning 16% of the vote in longbeack CA. months ago.
