Project for the Marxist-Leninist/communist forum.

Comrade, I think you will find that soviet empire is what you're looking for. Almost all of its members are educated and mature marxist-leninists and the forum is rid of ultra-leftist nonsense that this board has a bit of.

To me it seems like a forum full of Russian nationalists that want superpower status back. The name of the forum is enough to put me off.

Also the name comes from the fact that it started out as a red alert 2 forum.

I think that was his point....

Yeah for when i think Marxist-Leninist I think those who praise Socialism in the USSR so much so that they talk about what if Hitlter won world war 2, how finland was innocent and Democratic in the Winter war,etc.

Soviet Empire is not nessicarily for communists, and there are many non communists there with soviet fetishism.

[FONT=Verdana][FONT=Verdana][FONT=Verdana]In fact, I just came from there, and I can tell you that the [/FONT][FONT=Verdana]Soviet[/FONT][FONT=Verdana] fetishism is all they are good for. They can answer any question you have about the [/FONT][FONT=Verdana]Soviet[/FONT][FONT=Verdana] past, as well as up to date information on former country of the Soviet Union or any “communist state”. Those answers will cost you in the form of being trolled, for even asking the most basic of questions. They will insult you for having a different point of view then them, even when you give facts supporting your case. They act like they know everything and believe that you should too. I guess they just don’t understand that a forum is a place for debate and learning as equals. There is also a hidden cost in the fact that after post 10 they start talking about anything and everything, but the question or debate you posted. So are ex-members of the revleft that were banned or sent to the “opposing ideologies” part of the forum. [/FONT][FONT=Verdana]In fact one of those member was banned from this site for supporting Eugenics.[/FONT]

[/FONT][FONT=Verdana]I'm sorry that I ever joined that forum.[/FONT]


[/FONT]But my hopes are hi for this site.

Sorry for that comrade Charles Xavier. I should not of hijacked your post like that.

Here an ideal. What about a Marxist-Leninist wiki. I went around the web, looking for a communist wiki and only found one, with no infromation in it at all. The wiki would be like an Vanguard party, helping us teach would be communist about Marxism–Leninism. we could still have our debates, under the discussion tab. We could even answer the questions of our times. Putting the answer on the article tab, and our debates on the discussion tab. I think wikipedia has kit, which we could use to build a wiki.

What do you guys think?

What is the biggest ML or MLM group on facebook ?

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Just just know party ones..

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[FONT=Verdana]Is that the name of the party comrade Xavier?[/FONT]

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A communist wiki would be a great idea, a lot of work, I dont know too much on setting up wikis but I think it would be a great idea.

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[FONT=Verdana]I wish I knew how to program this kind of things. But what is needed for these projects to work is a team of people who can get things in motion, who can build and bring up these ideas.[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana]Yes, a wiki is a lot of work, but so too is a forum, as we need to keep out those people, who will turn it into a forum like the Soviet-empire. We would also have to answer question to some level, in order to teach new comers [/FONT][FONT=Calibri]Marxism-Leninism. In some case we will have to answer the same question, because the new person asks it in a different way. Here is a list of wiki engines which could help us program this kind of thing.[/FONT]

[FONT=Calibri]http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?WikiEngines[/FONT]

[FONT=Calibri]I would hate to think, with all the people, that none of us would have programming skills. Right now, there are 182 people in our group, even if only 10% have programming skill, which still leaves us with a group of 18 programmers. [/FONT]

[FONT=Calibri]I have no real programming skills, but I will try to come up with something to put into the wiki, so that it is not empty like the communist wiki that I found.[/FONT]

With the fourm or the wiki?

[FONT=Verdana]I would like to go on record, saying that I still think that a wiki would be better. Less work and more done, as it is a powerful teaching tool, as well as an great anti troll system[/FONT]

well wiki is generally better idea, because it has usefull content and is released of spamm and trolling. however i think that requirement for wiki , is that it has free content, that means , that anyone can change it. but i have zero experience in wiki

about forum , well , forum so it would remain vital , needs to have discussion going on , and fresh themes and subjects. however , it often goes at expense of quality of discusions. we would have to reconsider , can we gather that much number of MLs who use internet to keep it an edjucating , sourcefull place on web. i would sugest it becomes a general marxist forum , or anti-revisionist one

[FONT=Calibri]You bring up some good points Shamrock, about wiki and forums. But not all wiki are free content. While I was looking for a communist wiki, I also found an conservative wiki ( Conservapedia). Who needs closed sources, with how they run open sources. [/FONT]

[FONT=Calibri]Here a quote about how bad it is from RationalWiki[/FONT]

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Conservapedia is often guilty of one of their most common claims against Wikipedia,

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[FONT=Calibri]censorship[/FONT][FONT=Calibri]. Conservapedia, for example, deleted a section of an article on persecution of Christians that pointed out Christians sometimes persecuted other religious sects, and in the article on the Intifada deleted an addition pointing out mildly that innocent Palestinians have also been killed.[/FONT]
[FONT=Calibri]Conservapedia has frequently been criticized for its long list of protected pages, including [/FONT][FONT=Calibri]Homosexuality[/FONT][FONT=Calibri][46][/FONT][FONT=Calibri], [/FONT][FONT=Calibri]Theory of evolution[/FONT][FONT=Calibri][47][/FONT][FONT=Calibri], [/FONT][FONT=Calibri]George W Bush[/FONT][FONT=Calibri][48][/FONT][FONT=Calibri], and even [/FONT][FONT=Calibri]Goat[/FONT][FONT=Calibri][49][/FONT][FONT=Calibri]![/FONT]
[FONT=Calibri]Another frequent complaint is that Conservapedia sysops simply ban any members they don't agree with, censoring in a roundabout way by removing any opposing viewpoints. Andrew Schlafly is protected from criticism of his claims and "insights" by sysops who remove the critiques and block the editors responsible.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman]Currently, any references to RationalWiki in articles or talk pages are blocked by Conservapedia's spam filter. Any editor who tries a workaround (such as inserting an html "comment" in the word) will be insta-banned. [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman]Conservapedia's sysops generally seem to be inclined to ban editors as quickly as possible, for even the most frivolous of reasons. At first, we thought that this was simply due to their massive tendencies towards paranoia and authoritarian abuse of power, but we now realize this serves a practical purpose as well. To maintain ideological purity and keep out their many imagined enemies, CP's sysops have to vet every individual edit. The more users they have, the less possible this becomes. [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman]It is also possible that the threat of a capricious infinite ban which permanently hangs over all normal users, combined with the 90/10 rule which discourages lengthy talk page discussions, has the effect of silencing any real debate and opposition to the ideology of the site. [/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman]The odds are high that in this all-encompassing net, a few editors who actually liked the site have found themselves kicked off it. [/FONT]

[FONT=Calibri]http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/Conservapedia[/FONT]
[FONT=Calibri]Look if these brained washed nut jobs can have a wiki, we should to.[/FONT]

I would love to help, but I'm only really starting to get into the whole M-L thing after some tendency drifting, so I don't think I'd be of much help

Wikipedia might have been founded by an Ayn Rand fan but I don't think that's the main reason it's shit; the internet's class composition means it's overwhelmingly neoliberal. Conservapedia is obviously run by assholes, but they keep a tight rein on their contributions for the same reason we should keep one on our wiki, which would otherwise be relentlessly trolled and vandalized as theirs has been.

I'm in favor of and would like to support both a forum and a wiki (more the latter actually) but like apparently every other knucklehead here I don't know anything about setting them up.

It doesn't have to be either or. We can have both the forum and the wiki and the forum can support the Wiki. I think the forum would be a better place to build a community of leftists to work on these projects. Where as a wiki its dedicated volunteers only. Its not really inclusive to newcomers to marxist politics who cannot interact with it, I think we can achieve both. But we should start with the small steps.

Lets get the ground work started so others can be included.

I think we got about 5 of us who are ready to go on this.

Whats the next step?

Were should we start first comrade Xavier? I am willing to work topics for both. That brings up another question. Where should I post these topics, in this forum? In this post, or in a new one in the Marxist-Leninist forum?\

Comrade Shamrock, can you do a wiki fourm comb?

Also Shamrock what links to programs do you need from me?

[FONT=Calibri]Comrades, I just got an ideal. [/FONT]
[FONT=Calibri]What if we did the forum, like the Tendencies forums here on revleft. Think about, it would be like an wiki forum comb. All of these Tendencies forums have a section which states information about each group. We could use those sections much like a wiki page and still have the ability to interact with new comers. Looks were doing it right now with the front section to this forum. It explains Marxism-Leninism to anyone who comes by. Now there is not a lot of information, and only one link, and only one picture, but it shows, a wiki forum comb.[/FONT]
[FONT=Calibri]I’m more than willing to give up my ideal for a wiki, if we can do the forum, like that.[/FONT]

We would not need the wiki, if we can do the forum, like these Tendencies forum.

I would love to help, but I'm only really starting to get into the whole M-L thing after some tendency drifting, so I don't think I'd be of much help

So you're ML now too? Well welcome I guess.