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Ché (who wasn't Irish and is hardly a universally accepted figure), Tiocfaidh ár lá (what's a Provo slogan doing on a leftist forum?) and the Irish tricolour which sucks ass because of the inclusion of the colour of reaction in Ireland on it.

I purpose changing the group logo/picture/avatar to the Starry Plough.

Agreed!

Che still had Irish heritage and I think most leftists believe he was a freedom fighter. Tiocfaidh ár lá, what's wrong with a Provo slogan? I thought most Irish leftists would've supported them, even then, it still means our day will come, and unless you're some unionist I don't see the problem with that.

But I agree the tricolour is piss

What's wrong with supporting the Provos? Have you missed the last 15 years or something?

What's wrong with supporting the Provos? Have you missed the last 15 years or something?

I guess we should forget their 30 years of sacrifice then? Marx and Engels turned into petty liberals in their last years of their lives, but that doesn't stop me from carrying on their legacy.

I guess we should forget their 30 years of sacrifice then?

You mean 30 years of mis-leading the Irish national liberation struggle along petit-bourgeois lines straight into the arms of the establishment. What's so great about that? Separating the Provos of yesteryear from those of today makes your analysis of the "Irish Question" about as sophisticated as Republican Sinn Féin's.

You mean 30 years of mis-leading the Irish national liberation struggle along petit-bourgeois lines straight into the arms of the establishment. What's so great about that? Separating the Provos of yesteryear from those of today makes your analysis of the "Irish Question" about as sophisticated as Republican Sinn Féin's.

Strongly agree with this sentiment, and it is mirrored by a large amount of republicans, even by some members of the IRSP. As far as the starry-plough goes, while it is the symbol of the IRSP and Connolly it is still quite republican and not all may agree.

I think the starry plough would be accepted by all!

You mean 30 years of mis-leading the Irish national liberation struggle along petit-bourgeois lines straight into the arms of the establishment. What's so great about that? Separating the Provos of yesteryear from those of today makes your analysis of the "Irish Question" about as sophisticated as Republican Sinn Féin's.

I suppose you're right actually.

I suppose you're right actually.

I'm not denying the tremendous bravery of and sacrifice made by some individual members over the years, but it's quite another thing to support Sinn Féin and the IRA politically. We must discard reformist tendenices in favour of revolutionary theory & practice.

A simple red flag might be best.

A simple red flag might be best.

Well the point of the Starry Plough suggestion was that it's Oirish.

Strongly agree with this sentiment, and it is mirrored by a large amount of republicans, even by some members of the IRSP. As far as the starry-plough goes, while it is the symbol of the IRSP and Connolly it is still quite republican and not all may agree.

What are you on about?
I dont know any irp whos got a hard on for the provos, quite the opposite.

What are you on about?
I dont know any irp whos got a hard on for the provos, quite the opposite.

That's not what i was implying, but that some members of the IRSP, a serious minority, devalue the republican question by its simplicity

That's not what i was implying, but that some members of the IRSP, a serious minority, devalue the republican question by its simplicity

Im not quite sure what your saying here?

Besides his image is often seen at Republican do's across the country and at sporting events. Go to the Brandywell on match day and you'll see at least one che banner.

Its actually interesting that you mention that because there was a conscious decision by a large segment of the Derry City supporters to abandon all the vestiges of Traditional Republican support that was coat trailing on Derry City and bringing some unsavoury elements to the Brandywell.
Its why they decided to stop singing all the old Chuck songs and many other traditional Republican songs and leave that baggage behind because Derry City always had a tradition of being an inclusive club for both Protestants and Catholics in Derry.
So as you can see the majority of symbols employed the Brandywell Pride and 89ers etc are Che images, even on thier massive drums which they bring round with them.
Traceing Political patterns through domestic football in Ireland is actually a fascinating subject and one totally under written on but not hard to realise why when you see the contempt with which the League Of Ireland is treated with here in the South.
The best analogy for LOI supporters came from the Author Eamon Sweeney where he defined LOI supporters as fairly similar to Presbyterians in the South, utterly zealous and under constant siege from the massive GAA (Catholicism) and from the much more socially accepted Rugby (Church of Ireland).
The LOI is one of the last vestiges of a truely working class following in Ireland.

Tiocfaidh ár Lá is not a 'provo' slogan.

Its an Irish Language slogan, meaning our day will come,, in this context, the day of a socialist republic, and was popularised by the Irish Republican, and socialist prisoner of war Bobby Sands.

Republicanism in Ireland is the most progressive force, and has the most dedicated activists who are willng to stand up and be counted as they have shown in every generation.

socialist republican's are the most advanced cadres in Ireland.

I would have no problem with the Starry Plough as the group logo.

Its actually interesting that you mention that because there was a conscious decision by a large segment of the Derry City supporters to abandon all the vestiges of Traditional Republican support that was coat trailing on Derry City and bringing some unsavoury elements to the Brandywell.
Its why they decided to stop singing all the old Chuck songs and many other traditional Republican songs and leave that baggage behind because Derry City always had a tradition of being an inclusive club for both Protestants and Catholics in Derry.
So as you can see the majority of symbols employed the Brandywell Pride and 89ers etc are Che images, even on thier massive drums which they bring round with them.
Traceing Political patterns through domestic football in Ireland is actually a fascinating subject and one totally under written on but not hard to realise why when you see the contempt with which the League Of Ireland is treated with here in the South.
The best analogy for LOI supporters came from the Author Eamon Sweeney where he defined LOI supporters as fairly similar to Presbyterians in the South, utterly zealous and under constant siege from the massive GAA (Catholicism) and from the much more socially accepted Rugby (Church of Ireland).
The LOI is one of the last vestiges of a truely working class following in Ireland.

The GAA has a substantial working class following, particularly in Dublin and the North.

Tiocfaidh ár Lá is not a 'provo' slogan.

Its an Irish Language slogan, meaning our day will come,, in this context, the day of a socialist republic, and was popularised by the Irish Republican, and socialist prisoner of war Bobby Sands.

Republicanism in Ireland is the most progressive force, and has the most dedicated activists who are willng to stand up and be counted as they have shown in every generation.

socialist republican's are the most advanced cadres in Ireland.

I would have no problem with the Starry Plough as the group logo.

I agree with most of this. I am not anti provo completely, just anti some of their actions and that they were basicly the armed force of sinn fein and their intrests. But although Bobby Sands was a provo, I have massive respect for him and his writings and his sacrifice.

Anyways the Starry plough is not just the symbol of the IRSM, neither is the sunburst. As for the tricolour.. well as the song goes "Take it down from the mast, Irish traitors,The flag we Republicans claim/It can never belong to Free Staters/You brought on it nothing but shame". What about the 4 provinces flag though?

Can I see the pictures of the Starry plough(though I think Ive seen this one before if it is the blue one with the stars), sunburst and the 4 provinces flag? Also I like the current logo

I think we should have a pic of Big Jim Larkin,he does not get the credit he deserves in Ireland.

The GAA has a substantial working class following, particularly in Dublin and the North.

Never said it didnt, likewise with Rugby.

The GAA has a substantial working class following, particularly in Dublin and the North.

Its predominantly a working-class sport. Its following amongst the working class is what makes it the biggest sport in Ireland.

Starry Plough for me over the tricolour

Its predominantly a working-class sport. Its following amongst the working class is what makes it the biggest sport in Ireland.

Yes but its also a nationalist anti-english form of games. Before 1970 no member of a GAA club was allowed play football, rugby or cricket or any other foreign game for fear of removal from the club, which basically meant in many areas removal from the community.

Hurling is a fantastic sport but Gaa Football was formulated with the intention of stopping Irish people from playing association football .

And cricket is fucking class, i've no problem admitting it . lol

Also change the avatar. Whats this tiocadh ar la crap , were not 14 nor are we provo's. put up a picture of Connolly or something.

Would it not make more sense to have someone like Connolly as the Avatar.

Also change the avatar. Whats this tiocadh ar la crap , were not 14 nor are we provo's. put up a picture of Connolly or something.

Sure why would you support a revolutionary socialist like connolly.
He supported armed resistance.

Put up a picture of larkin during the lockout, that ok with everyone?