Marx for Anarchosyndicalist?

  1. Frank Little
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  2. Искра
    You mean Marx advocating anarcho-syndicalism?
    I don't know. I think that anarcho-syndicalism has developed after Marx died.
    I could find you Marx advocating general strike and revolution trough workers unions, but he later switched into party politics.
  3. Искра
    Marx about capitalism?!
    He wrote Das Kapital 3 tome book about capitalism. He also wrote Communist Manifesto and 100 articles and essays about capitalism.
  4. Absolut
    Absolut
    Pretty much everything Marx wrote, in which he analyzed capitalism, is useful for anarcho-syndicalists, it is what we base our critique of capitalism on, just as the communists.
  5. Bitter Ashes
    Bitter Ashes
    I agree with Absolut and Jurko. Most of Marx's work is about the problems with capitalism and wagesystem and can be used for any anti-capitalist ideoligy, such as anarcho-syndalism.
    On a personal note; it would better if you did not use the term "FUCK YOU!!" as it is a very strong statement in English, so do not use it unless you are sure it is what you really mean to say, otherwise you may make a lot of people angry. It would probably be a good idea to apoligise to Jurko.
  6. Искра
    Frank Little what's your problem? You asked for source and I gave you? Maybe I should put it like Absolut did, but that's no reason why should you act like a dickhead.
  7. HEAD ICE
    HEAD ICE
    Capital Vol 1 is good
  8. TheAnarchistSyndicalist
    TheAnarchistSyndicalist
    I read alot of Marx, it's good and if besides the political aspect of it, I consider myself somewhat of a Marxist
  9. Ztrain
    Ztrain
    I think Marx beleived that after the Dictatorship of the Proleteriat an Anarcho Syndicalist state would come into place...Im pretty sure thats what any TRUE communist wants
  10. Absolut
    Absolut
    I think Marx beleived that after the Dictatorship of the Proleteriat an Anarcho Syndicalist state would come into place...Im pretty sure thats what any TRUE communist wants
    I think thats a pretty big oversimplification and a faulty definition of both the Dictatorship of the Proletariat and of Anarcho-syndicalism. If you had said that the classless society would have come about after the DoP, I would have agreed, but since you didnt, I have to differ.

    The DoP, I think, is simply the working class taking control over the means of production and subsequently the power. Instead of the Dictatorship of the Bourgoisie, we have the DoP, and I think this is applicable to all of the revolutionary socialist theories there are. Every one of them argues for the working class to take control over the society.

    When it comes to anarcho-syndicalism, and the state of society organized after its lines, I think youre either forgetting or leaving out big chunks of the ideology (if I can call it that). A society organised with the revolutionary union as its basis, which is what syndicalism strives for (at least as a transition), is very different from what the communists believe.
  11. palooko
    I think thats a pretty big oversimplification and a faulty definition of both the Dictatorship of the Proletariat and of Anarcho-syndicalism. If you had said that the classless society would have come about after the DoP, I would have agreed, but since you didnt, I have to differ.

    The DoP, I think, is simply the working class taking control over the means of production and subsequently the power. Instead of the Dictatorship of the Bourgoisie, we have the DoP, and I think this is applicable to all of the revolutionary socialist theories there are. Every one of them argues for the working class to take control over the society.

    When it comes to anarcho-syndicalism, and the state of society organized after its lines, I think youre either forgetting or leaving out big chunks of the ideology (if I can call it that). A society organised with the revolutionary union as its basis, which is what syndicalism strives for (at least as a transition), is very different from what the communists believe.


    Depending on what kind of communists. Many Leftists and Council communists believe in something similar...but as for Non-revisionists, yes as vanguardism, in my opinion, inevitably leads to State Capitalism.
  12. Absolut
    Absolut
    Depending on what kind of communists. Many Leftists and Council communists believe in something similar...but as for Non-revisionists, yes as vanguardism, in my opinion, inevitably leads to State Capitalism.
    I have never heard any council communist or "non-non-revisionist" leftist describe the classless society and the way there the way anarcho-syndicalists and syndicalists do, and putting the same kind of emphasis on the union as the chief tool to crush capitalism and administer (at least for some time) the new society. I may be wrong though, in which case, could you please give me a source or two?
  13. Искра
    Read Pannenkoek. He used to glorify strikes in one of his works.
  14. Absolut
    Absolut
    Alright, but strikes does not equate a society organised with a union as its foundation.
  15. Искра
    Of course, not. I never said that.
  16. Absolut
    Absolut
    Well then, problem solved. My question still stands though, so can I get some sources?