Marx on Hegel's dialectic and his own dialectic method

  1. Philosophical Materialist
    Philosophical Materialist
    If anyone thinks the Marx abandoned dialectics before Capital, or even if you dispute that Marx's method is dialectical, then you can see what he said himself:

    ...Whilst the writer pictures what he takes to be actually my method, in this striking and [as far as concerns my own application of it] generous way, what else is he picturing but the dialectic method?

    Of course the method of presentation must differ in form from that of inquiry. The latter has to appropriate the material in detail, to analyse its different forms of development, to trace out their inner connexion. Only after this work is done, can the actual movement be adequately described. If this is done successfully, if the life of the subject-matter is ideally reflected as in a mirror, then it may appear as if we had before us a mere a priori construction.

    My dialectic method is not only different from the Hegelian, but is its direct opposite. To Hegel, the life-process of the human brain, i.e., the process of thinking, which, under the name of “the Idea,” he even transforms into an independent subject, is the demiurgos of the real world, and the real world is only the external, phenomenal form of “the Idea.” With me, on the contrary, the ideal is nothing else than the material world reflected by the human mind, and translated into forms of thought.

    The mystifying side of Hegelian dialectic I criticised nearly thirty years ago, at a time when it was still the fashion. But just as I was working at the first volume of “Das Kapital,” it was the good pleasure of the peevish, arrogant, mediocre Epigonoi [Epigones – Büchner, Dühring and others] who now talk large in cultured Germany, to treat Hegel in same way as the brave Moses Mendelssohn in Lessing’s time treated Spinoza, i.e., as a “dead dog.” I therefore openly avowed myself the pupil of that mighty thinker, and even here and there, in the chapter on the theory of value, coquetted with the modes of expression peculiar to him. The mystification which dialectic suffers in Hegel’s hands, by no means prevents him from being the first to present its general form of working in a comprehensive and conscious manner. With him it is standing on its head. It must be turned right side up again, if you would discover the rational kernel within the mystical shell.

    In its mystified form, dialectic became the fashion in Germany, because it seemed to transfigure and to glorify the existing state of things. In its rational form it is a scandal and abomination to bourgeoisdom and its doctrinaire professors, because it includes in its comprehension and affirmative recognition of the existing state of things, at the same time also, the recognition of the negation of that state, of its inevitable breaking up; because it regards every historically developed social form as in fluid movement, and therefore takes into account its transient nature not less than its momentary existence; because it lets nothing impose upon it, and is in its essence critical and revolutionary.

    The contradictions inherent in the movement of capitalist society impress themselves upon the practical bourgeois most strikingly in the changes of the periodic cycle, through which modern industry runs, and whose crowning point is the universal crisis. That crisis is once again approaching, although as yet but in its preliminary stage; and by the universality of its theatre and the intensity of its action it will drum dialectics even into the heads of the mushroom-upstarts of the new, holy Prusso-German empire.

    Karl Marx
    London
    January 24, 1873
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  2. PRC-UTE
    PRC-UTE
    useful one. I don't see how that can be denied that he views historical process as a dialectic
  3. Random Precision
    Of course, Rosa believes that Marx was using the word "dialectical" in such passages as jargon, or some sort of an elaborate joke on his readers. She refuses to see anything dialectical in those passages, and puts more stock in things like a misplaced comma, or an endorsement of a book review, then things like this that Marx actually elaborated at length on.

    Though for the record, I am on my way through Capital at the moment, and the dialectic is pretty much screamingly obvious on every page. I started reading by writing the concepts of dialectical logic I was seeing in the margins next to where I saw them, but pretty soon I was filling all of the margins up and poking holes through the page so I decided to stop.

    It must take a very stubborn mind to refuse to see this.
  4. Philosophical Materialist
    Philosophical Materialist
    Indeed. It doesn't matter how much Marx implemented, explained or defended dialectics post-Capital, we are told that when Marx talked dialectic(s) Marx didn't mean dialectic(s) due to some Wittgensteinian sophistry. If the latter interpretation is true then it would mean that Marx was hopelessly confused by the meanings of words.
  5. A.R.Amistad
    A.R.Amistad
    The understanding of the law of Quantity into Quality seems essential to Capital. Before I understood dialectics or quantity into quality, it didn't make any sense to me, but now I understand the book better thanks to dialectical understanding, and things like "quantitative" versus "qualitative" differences.