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If you have the time.

The national question in Ireland was what really sparked my interest in politics at a young age and it remains a very important issue for me today. I've picked up a lot of influences a long the way, even being "anti-revisionist" and then anarchist at various points, but I think I've finally found what I'm looking for in the Marxism of Marx, Engels, Lenin, Trotsky & Connolly (and to a certain extent Grant).

Cheers Leninballs!

Hoxhaist

I see myself as a libertarian socialist, influenced by all sorts (from Marx to Luxmeburg to Durruti to Makhno to COnnolly), but I also see myself as pragmatic, I think whatever builds working class power is the way to go, as opposed to obeying religiously dogmatic principles agaisnt reality such as how left communists and that embarassing strand of anarchism influenced by left communism does. I'm interested on republican socialist perspectives on class struggle in Ireland how it relates to British imperial domination there.

I was once vehemently opposed to the IRA and such, for silly hypocritical reasons. But well, after reading Labour in Irish History and opening my mind I support it all.

You do realise that while Labour in Irish History is a very good political polemic and a cracking good read - it is poorly researched and riddled with inaccuracies. There is a romantic tinge in it about the nature of Irish society prior to the emergence of the protestant ascendancy.

You do realise that while Labour in Irish History is a very good political polemic and a cracking good read - it is poorly researched and riddled with inaccuracies. There is a romantic tinge in it about the nature of Irish society prior to the emergence of the protestant ascendancy.

Oh - and by the way - I am a Trotskyist and anti-republican.

Oh - and by the way - I am a Trotskyist and anti-republican.

like pretty much every trot in ireland! its the main reason ive decided the socialist party isn't for me.

like pretty much every trot in ireland! its the main reason ive decided the socialist party isn't for me.

Hoggy - if you seriously believe that republicanism is more important than socialism then so be it. However, the IRSM has come from nowhere and is going nowhere in political terms - it is buried in the sectarian mire of the North and will never be able to break out of it.

And by the way - there are many trots in Ireland who do coat-tail republicanism.

Hoggy - if you seriously believe that republicanism is more important than socialism then so be it. However, the IRSM has come from nowhere and is going nowhere in political terms - it is buried in the sectarian mire of the North and will never be able to break out of it.

And by the way - there are many trots in Ireland who do coat-tail republicanism.

I'm pretty sure the IRSM, and any socialist, thinks that socialism is ultimately more important than republicanism. But to get socialism you need to rid Ireland of British presence.

Whatever though, have fun building a 26-county socialist republic.

I'm pretty sure the IRSM, and any socialist, thinks that socialism is ultimately more important than republicanism.

From my knowledge of the IRSM and discussion with members in the past - they would put the emphasis on the republicanism rather than the socialism.

But to get socialism you need to rid Ireland of British presence.

Of course you do - question is how do you do it - by blaming the Protestant working class or trying to build links with them?

Whatever though, have fun building a 26-county socialist republic.

Hardly - there wouldn't be any fun in trying to build something that is a physical impossibility.

From my knowledge of the IRSM and discussion with members in the past - they would put the emphasis on the republicanism rather than the socialism.

For the now, yes (in my opinion anyways, I do not represent the whole IRSM), but while also focusing on socialism. In the long term (hence why I said ultimately) socialism is obviousy more important.

Of course you do - question is how do you do it - by blaming the Protestant working class or trying to build links with them?

The latter, obviously. No IRSM member would ever blame the Protestant working class for whatever ills British imperialism has created and will continue to create. Sure 2 prominent members of the INLA were from Protestant backgrounds, Noel Lyttle and Ronnie Bunting (whose father was a high ranking member in the Crown forces)

Hardly - there wouldn't be any fun in trying to build something that is a physical impossibility.

Of course, that's why we strive for a united Ireland.

For the now, yes (in my opinion anyways, I do not represent the whole IRSM), but while also focusing on socialism. In the long term (hence why I said ultimately) socialism is obviousy more important.

Yet all left republican organisations have (and will) capitulate to nationalism when it comes into conflict with socialism.

The latter, obviously. No IRSM member would ever blame the Protestant working class for whatever ills British imperialism has created and will continue to create. Sure 2 prominent members of the INLA were from Protestant backgrounds, Noel Lyttle and Ronnie Bunting (whose father was a high ranking member in the Crown forces)

The INLA and its split-offs specifically blamed the Protestant working class for supporting British Imperialism - indeed for most left republicans it is now the main plank of their platform (whether they actually realise it or not).

Of course, that's why we strive for a united Ireland.

I have absolutely no interest in striving for a united Ireland. A united capitalist Ireland is the last thing I want to see and striving for it is striving for something unachievable under capitalism (except possibly as a right-wing bonapartist regime). By striving for a united Ireland rather than a socialist Ireland (irrespective of whether it was united or not - and that's a whole different argument) left republicans once again place nationalism before socialism - a right wing reactionary concept before a progressive revolutionary one - and something that no socialist should be expousing.

Yet all left republican organisations have (and will) capitulate to nationalism when it comes into conflict with socialism.

Show the IRSM focuses more on "nationalism" than socialism please

The INLA and its split-offs specifically blamed the Protestant working class for supporting British Imperialism - indeed for most left republicans it is now the main plank of their platform (whether they actually realise it or not).

Source

I have absolutely no interest in striving for a united Ireland. A united capitalist Ireland is the last thing I want to see and striving for it is striving for something unachievable under capitalism (except possibly as a right-wing bonapartist regime). By striving for a united Ireland rather than a socialist Ireland (irrespective of whether it was united or not - and that's a whole different argument) left republicans once again place nationalism before socialism - a right wing reactionary concept before a progressive revolutionary one - and something that no socialist should be expousing.

Duh, that's why it's the Irish Republican Socialist Movement

Socialism could not have been achieved in Vietnam without the removal of the French, Japanese and US imperialist occupations. Like Ireland, the national question is joined at the hip with socialist liberation.

It would be folly for the Irish to wait for socialist revolutions in Dublin and London and abandon national liberation. It would have been equally foolish for the Vietnamese to wait for the red flag being hoisted in Paris, Tokyo and Washington.

From my knowledge of the IRSM and discussion with members in the past - they would put the emphasis on the republicanism rather than the socialism.

Irrelevant.
Your personal experiences matter fuck all to me.
Ive had alot more contact with IRSP members since ive been in the party for 3 years and what you said there is just pure and utter tripe.

Of course you do - question is how do you do it - by blaming the Protestant working class or trying to build links with them?

The IRSP has and does send the hand of friendship to the Protestant working class.
But that is not to say we adopt reformist and anti-working class policys in an attempt to capitulate to and coerse Loyalism, as Connolly put it "Gas and Water socialists".

Oh - and by the way - I am a Trotskyist and anti-republican.

What in the name of god is an anti-republican?
Is that the new trendy name for capitulating to imperialism?

Hoggy - if you seriously believe that republicanism is more important than socialism then so be it.

Yet again showing your ignorance about the politics of the IRSM.

However, the IRSM has come from nowhere

How exactly have we come from nowhere?

and is going nowhere in political terms

Could you please enlighten me as to how you have come to this conclusion.
No doubt this will be as eye opening.

it is buried in the sectarian mire of the North and will never be able to break out of it.

Do detail how the IRSP is buried in the sectarian quagmire of the North.

Hoggy - if you seriously believe that republicanism is more important than socialism then so be it. However, the IRSM has come from nowhere and is going nowhere in political terms - it is buried in the sectarian mire of the North and will never be able to break out of it.

And by the way - there are many trots in Ireland who do coat-tail republicanism.

I don't think that. I think republicanism and socialism go hand in hand as is the policy in the IRSM. The socialist party and the CWI turn a blind eye to imperialism and I couldn't reconcile my views with this(even though i'd certainly have a trotskyist leaning)

The socialist party and the CWI turn a blind eye to imperialism

The CWI is the only left organisation that has correctly analysed imperialism and the national question and the only organisation that has the correct orientation to achieve a socialist Ireland. Groups like the IRSM attempt to transplant the politicial message of 150 years ago into the present circumstances. Marxism does not work like that.

The CWI is the only left organisation that has correctly analysed imperialism and the national question

Its stance on imperialism is totally flawed and conformist to the core.
For christ sake they wont even support an embargo on Israel not to mention their stance in Ireland.
It just isnt trendy among some sections of the left to apply an analytical materialistic marxist perspective on Ireland and call a spade a spade.

and the only organisation that has the correct orientation to achieve a socialist Ireland.

What in the name of god is "the correct orientation"?

Groups like the IRSM attempt to transplant the politicial message of 150 years ago into the present circumstances. Marxism does not work like that.

Please do expand on this, should be enlightening no doubt?

Irish Trots like this guy are the worst. Ultra-leftist pro-imperialist traiters.

Anyway I am a Maoist. It seems that just about every socialist national liberation movement has a lot of Maoist influence.

Irish Trots like this guy are the worst. Ultra-leftist pro-imperialist traiters.

Anyway I am a Maoist. It seems that just about every socialist national liberation movement has a lot of Maoist influence.

The IRA, PFLP, Sahrawis, Basques, PKK, MPLA, 26th July Movement, FLQ, FLN and FSLN didn't/don't have a lot of Maoist influence in them, far from "just about every socialist national liberation movement"...

anarchist

LeninBalls http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_war

anarchist, but raised as a republican socialist

Well I'm an anti-revisionist Marxist-Leninist first and foremost. Then I'm also somewhere inbetween Maoism and Hoxhaism as well.

EDIT: I think I've settled on Maoism now. Although I have Hoxhaist sympathies.

Seems like no one digs Uncle Joe in here. I mean I don't love the guy, but he was ok.

Oh yeah, I got mad props for Uncle Joe.

Marxist-Leninist.