Marxism-Leninism

Marxism-Leninism is the correct term but then everyone else will just say "our" Marxism-Leninism is incorrect and wont bring a Workers Democracy and ect ect ect.

I think the term Anti-Revisionism confuses newer members as several new members confuse the term revisionism with reformism, something we also reject of course.

If it confuses them then we, the Anti-Revisionists, correct them on the terms. This is a learning site after all.

I think there is also confusion that we are adherants to Stalin, which while many of us view Stalin as successful leader of the Soviet Union it does not mean we believe Stalin represented a new level of socialism above what Lenin has already layed out

We could tell them that we dont or the brief aspects of our veiws in the AR group intro. But this comes from the term "Stalinist" and we are always called this by everyother camp. They think Anti-Revisionism =/= Marxism-Leninism we their the same thing. explaing helps alot but this is my oppion only.

I am wondering comrades if there is opposition to changing the name on the group to Marxism-Leninism.

I'm all in for it actually. Since Marxism-Leninism is the correct term for Anti-Revisionism.

How about Anti-Revisionist ML for short? Really, it doesn't matter all too much.

Marxism-Leninism or Anti-Revisionism will both do fine.

I have no problem with the label of Marxism-Leninism. It just what it really is.

I am for changing it to Marxism Leninism.

Anti Revisionism has too bad of a rep stuck to it.

I honestly don't agree with the idea. A lot of Trotskyists claim to be upholding Marxism-Leninism. Of course, a lot of their theories and ideologies are incredibly contrary to ours, but the term 'Leninist' is very broad. I think anti-revisionist is a thorough description of our ideology; noting that revisionism is the primary cause for all failed socialist revolutions. I'm not going to water down my message because someone thinks Stalin has a bad stigma attached to him. Plus, the anti-revisionist movement is very influential and relevant today, therefore we should not attempt to distance ourselves from it. We should defend it.

I would like to keep it, but I'll be fine either way.

I may be biased as i'm not actually an Anti-Revisionist, but this could possibly cause problems as tendencies such as Trotskyists are technically "Marxist-Leninist" so you may be getting more members that aren't actually Anti-Revisionist, especially if they're beginners who don't fully understand the term.

I may be biased as i'm not actually an Anti-Revisionist, but this could possibly cause problems as tendencies such as Trotskyists are technically "Marxist-Leninist" so you may be getting more members that aren't actually Anti-Revisionist, especially if they're beginners who don't fully understand the term.

The name may change but we still follow the same path and the descrivtion will still be here. The name is the only thing thats going to change. The Troskyists will argue yes but they always argue with us. its common really.

Well yes we do argue, but i'm just saying that technically Anti-Revisionists aren't the only "Marxist-Leninists" out there.

InsertNameHere is very on target. I hate telling Trotskyists they're right, but in this case, he is.

InsertNameHere is very on target. I hate telling Trotskyists they're right, but in this case, he is.

Troskyism is another form on Marxism-Leninism so yes SHE is right.

My mistake. Apologies.

its ok you cant really tell male from fremale on these internet forums.

Or change it to Stalinism.

I don't think it matters that much, but that last one is the best option- although it's quite a mouthful so maybe Marxist-Leninist (AR), but then nobody knows what it stands for...

I think just Marxist-Leninist on it's own is probably the best for the purposes of this site.

As far as I can see there's no other groups with that name as of now.

http://www.revleft.com/vb/hey-left-c...756/index.html This is what I'm talking about

It gets tiring when everyone equates Anti Revisionism with totalitarianism and oligarchies, it's especially dangerous to newcomers who are undecided on their ideology and then see Anti Revisionism as Stalinism backed up by Trots and HLVS.

or Marxist-Leninist (Non-Trotskyism)

Don't you see what this is? Anti-Revisionists works perfectly fine, whereas Marxism-Leninism leaves confusion and forces us to elaborate on the title.

I think its a brilliant idea to change it to Marxist-Leninist.
Im all for it.

Yes, I support this. Marxism-Leninism is the ideology that the international communist movement is based on. Anti-revisionism is important in this, but is a description of what we are against, rather than an ideology of its own. Identifying this group as M-L would align it with the international communist movement itself, and therefore be closer to the real-life situation.

It's also not true that this would cause confusion with Trotskyism. Trotskyists reject the term "Marxism-Leninism", as it is a tendency that was developed in the Stalin era, and so they see it as a Stalinist distortion. It is possible that Trotskyists who have not studied their own history will not know this and participate, but then it could be explained to them patiently.

Will it be possible to have a vote on this?

^ said it all for me.

Though I see that the term might be confusing and might alientate some newbies I agree with Kassad.
I don't like the idea of changing lables because of some people who are scared off by what describes our attitude very well. The description text of this group should make clear that we are Marxists-Leninists and I think there would still be confusion and we would still be seen (and be presented by others) as "hardcore lunatics", no matter if we change names or not.

But as I said, I see your points and I would not block renaming if most comrades here think that it would be better for our group/image. So I'm in favour of a vote, too.

Sounds like most people here are totally for it. I say go for it, then. While we're here, does anyone else dislike the main picture for the group? I had a few ideas that I think would look good and would also clear up any misunderstandings of our tendency, which I believe is very necessary with the name change. A few ideas:

https://trcs.wikispaces.com/file/vie...nGorki1922.jpg


http://www.marxists.org/subject/stal...no-picture.jpg

http://www.aetherometry.com/Electron...and_stalin.jpg

Personally I like the second one Kassad, but it's up to you guys since i'm not actually an AR.

The 2nd one is awsome. It shows what we follow and at the same time shows what we think. Good choice comrade Kassad you seem to chose good pics. I love them all but the 2nd gets me.

Thanks.

Oh, by the way. Shouldn't we name the group Marxist-Leninists? I mean, there isn't a Trotskyism group, or a Revolutionary Marxism group. It's Trotskyist and Revolutionary Marxists. Our group isn't Anti-Revisionism. Shouldn't we call it Marxist-Leninists?

It's really up to you guys, but I don't oppose the change.