Hugo chávez: O populismo eterniza-se!

  1. LUXEMBURGUISTA
    LUXEMBURGUISTA - 17th February 2009, 13:56
    [FONT=Times New Roman]A eternização no poder, o culto da personalidade, a totalitarização do discurso do "chefe" através de todos os media ... tudo isto, envernizado com medidas sociais até que o petróleo o permita, este é o modelo de "novo socialismo" de Hugo Chávez.[/FONT]
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    Com excepção dos que continuam a precisar de um "sol" para que os referenciais polÃ*tico-ideológicos não entrem em derrapagem, Hugo Chávez tenderá a convencer cada vez menos gente por esse Mundo fora e na Venezuela.[/FONT]
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    O socialismo, tal e qual é, não precisa de chefes, de lÃ*deres, de vanguardas, de iluminados. O socialismo precisa do contributo permanente e renovado de cada trabalhador e de todos os trabalhadores, das suas lutas e do seu movimento exigente e crÃ*tico.[/FONT]
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    O socialismo precisa de democracia e esta não se reduz a eleições do tipo plebicisto ao lÃ*der! Na democracia que o socialismo aprofunda, a revogabilidade dos cargos, das funções, dos eleitos é uma das componentes mais exigentes![/FONT]
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    Chávez passa populisticamente ao lado de tudo isto! [/FONT]
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    [FONT=Times New Roman]http://militantesocialista.blogspot....erniza-se.html [/FONT]
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  2. Vincent P.
    Vincent P. - 2nd March 2009, 23:11
    Hermano... Hablo ingles, frances, espanol y aprendo chino y latin, pero no creo que nadie habla portugués en este forum.
    Comprendo, pero no puedo contestar en portugués.
  3. LUXEMBURGUISTA
    LUXEMBURGUISTA - 5th March 2009, 01:27
    Puedes contestar en cualquier idioma. Creo que lo importante es entendernos entre todos.
    SALUD
  4. Vincent P.
    Vincent P. - 6th March 2009, 02:55
    Fue mi primero post. Ahora sé que puedo contestar en cualquier idioma.
    Contestaré manana!
  5. dez
    dez - 8th April 2009, 02:00
    Hermano... Hablo ingles, frances, espanol y aprendo chino y latin, pero no creo que nadie habla portugués en este forum.
    Comprendo, pero no puedo contestar en portugués.
    Eu falo português
  6. dez
    dez - 8th April 2009, 02:03
    I consider the necessity to bash at leftist regimes with more enthusiasm than, say, the neighboring fascist regime, rather amusing.
    Not in a good way though.
  7. Q
    Q - 8th April 2009, 05:27
    I suggest we keep the conversation to English. I can understand that at least.
  8. dez
    dez - 8th April 2009, 05:51
    I suggest we keep the conversation to English
    Why?

    The OP is either the portuguese of a starter or fresh out of a translator anyway. I bet on the second.
  9. dez
    dez - 8th April 2009, 06:02
    [FONT=Times New Roman]A eternização no poder, o culto da personalidade, a totalitarização do discurso do "chefe" através de todos os media ... tudo isto, envernizado com medidas sociais até que o petróleo o permita, este é o modelo de "novo socialismo" de Hugo Chávez.[/FONT]
    [FONT=Times New Roman]
    Com excepção dos que continuam a precisar de um "sol" para que os referenciais polÃ*tico-ideológicos não entrem em derrapagem, Hugo Chávez tenderá a convencer cada vez menos gente por esse Mundo fora e na Venezuela.[/FONT]
    [FONT=Times New Roman]
    O socialismo, tal e qual é, não precisa de chefes, de lÃ*deres, de vanguardas, de iluminados. O socialismo precisa do contributo permanente e renovado de cada trabalhador e de todos os trabalhadores, das suas lutas e do seu movimento exigente e crÃ*tico.[/FONT]
    [FONT=Times New Roman]
    O socialismo precisa de democracia e esta não se reduz a eleições do tipo plebicisto ao lÃ*der! Na democracia que o socialismo aprofunda, a revogabilidade dos cargos, das funções, dos eleitos é uma das componentes mais exigentes![/FONT]
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    Chávez passa populisticamente ao lado de tudo isto! [/FONT]

    [FONT=Times New Roman]http://militantesocialista.blogspot....erniza-se.html [/FONT]
    The eternilazation in power, the personality cult, the totalirazation of the cult to the boss through all media... All this, polished with social measures as long as oil lets, it is the model of new socialism of hugo chavez.

    With the exception of those that need a sun so that their political-ideological refferentials do not slide, hugo chavez will convince every time less in venezuela and throughood the world.

    Socialism, as it is, does not need chiefs, leaders, vanguards, enlightened. Socialism needs the permanent and renovated contribution of each worker and of all workers, of its struggles and of its critical movement.

    Socialism needs democracy and it is not reduced to elections of the kind referendums to the leader! In socialist democracy, the recalling of the political positions is one of the most necessary components!

    Chaves populistically walks through all that!
    Basically, a load of crap.

    It is sad how people misinterpret what luxemburguism was about, what leninism was about, its relationship and the nature of the spartacist league.

    It is pitiful that they use pieces of its rhetoric for their own anti-popular agenda, its pitiful that they use of leftist banners to side with the most reactionary elements in latin american politics.

    No, it is not sad.
    It is opportunistic, lame, and should not be forgiven.
  10. Q
    Q - 8th April 2009, 06:05
    Why?

    The OP is either the portuguese of a starter or fresh out of a translator anyway. I bet on the second.
    I'm Dutch, I can imagine the OP understands Dutch as well as I understand Portuguese. So I'm suggesting English as the lingua franca.
  11. dez
    dez - 8th April 2009, 06:10
    I'm Dutch, I can imagine the OP understands Dutch as well as I understand Portuguese. So I'm suggesting English as the lingua franca.
    Well, yes, but considering that the OP has made his posts both in spanish and portuguese, he may very well not speak english.
    I see no problem with having threads in different languages. Including dutch, that I have no knowledge of whatsoever.
  12. Q
    Q - 8th April 2009, 06:13
    Well, yes, but considering that the OP has made his posts both in spanish and portuguese, he may very well not speak english.
    I see no problem with having threads in different languages. Including dutch, that I have no knowledge of whatsoever.
    Because it effectively excludes people that don't speak the language, which then defeats much of the point of having an international discussion board.

    But anyway, thank you for the translation. I'll have a look at it
  13. dez
    dez - 8th April 2009, 06:22
    Because it effectively excludes people that don't speak the language, which then defeats much of the point of having an international discussion board.

    But anyway, thank you for the translation. I'll have a look at it
    This is an interesting issue, actually.
    How far are we insterted in the current world order to use its own pattern language?

    In latin america, not speaking english is a sign of resistance, and although its pretty much irrelevant, I think any sign of anti imperialist cohesion should be cherished, and therefore we should let the man speak his portuguese/spanish
    :P
  14. Q
    Q - 8th April 2009, 06:30
    This is an interesting issue, actually.
    How far are we insterted in the current world order to use its own pattern language?

    In latin america, not speaking english is a sign of resistance, and although its pretty much irrelevant, I think any sign of anti imperialist cohesion should be cherished, and therefore we should let the man speak his portuguese/spanish
    :P
    I agree with the political sentiment, however we should also be practical and look for a common ground language that everyone understands. I think French was the spoken language of the first international (which of course also was an imperialist language), German was the common language of the second international and even of the third for some time. English today is a "world" language in the sense that at least the most amount of people can understand it.

    For a political neutral language I suggest Esperanto, which also has a group here
  15. neosyndic - 14th October 2010, 19:55
    O socialismo, tal e qual é, não precisa de chefes, de lÃ*deres, de vanguardas, de iluminados. O socialismo precisa do contributo permanente e renovado de cada trabalhador e de todos os trabalhadores, das suas lutas e do seu movimento exigente e crÃ*tico.
    hugo chavez no es percivido por el pueblo bolivariano como un dictador. se le percive mas que todo como alguien que dice la verdad sobre un pasado de exclusion y miseria para el 80% de la poblacion venezolana. esto del ''culto de personalidad'' es una narrativa oposicionista de tala liberal. en toda revolucion hay lideres y chavez es un simbolo subjetivo para el muy objetivo y tangible frente venezolano de la segunda independencia latino americana, asi como el Che lo es para el proceso colectivo de emancipacion anti-imperialista en si; con Cuba como punta de lanza contra el imperialismo yanqui.

    lo que a mi me llama mas la atencion sobre Rosa Luxemburgo es que ella se refirio al capitalismo como no solo la explotacion del hombre por el hombre, sino como la represion sistematica por grupos de hombres armados: el terrorismo de estado a favor del capital privado en contra la clase obrera. fijate que el muy bolivariano partido comunista de venezuela tiene la misma perspectiva; puesto que vivio la dicha represion en carne propria.