90th anniversary of murder of Rosa Luxemburg and Karl Liebknecht

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    Lessons of Luxemburg’s inspirational, revolutionary legacy
    Peter Taaffe, from Socialism Today (February 2009 issue)

    On 15 January 1919, Rosa Luxemburg and Karl Liebknecht, the finest brains of the German working class and its most heroic figures, were brutally murdered by the bloodthirsty, defeated German military, backed to the hilt by the cowardly social-democratic leaders Noske and Scheidemann. On this important anniversary, it is vital to look at Luxemburg’s inspirational, revolutionary legacy.

    Their murders, carried out by the soldier Otto Runge, were decisive in the defeat of the German revolution but were also indissolubly linked to the victory of Hitler and the Nazis 14 years later. Wilhelm Canaris, the naval officer who assisted the escape of one of Rosa’s murderers, 20 years later was to command the Abwehr, German military intelligence, under the Nazis. Other luminaries of the Nazi regime were similarly ‘blooded’ at this time for the future murderous activities in their own country and throughout Europe.

    Von Faupel, the officer who, at the time, tricked the delegates to the recently-formed workers and soldiers’ councils, 20 years later was Hitler’s ambassador to Franco’s Spain. The political power behind the throne to better-known generals was Major Kurt von Schleicher, who became German Chancellor in 1932 and a gateman for Hitler and the Nazis. But if the German revolution had triumphed then history would not, in all probability, have known these figures or the horrors of fascism.

    Rosa Luxemburg, as a top leader and theoretician of Marxism, could have played a crucial, not to say decisive, role in subsequent events up to 1923 and the victory of the revolution if she had not been cruelly cut down.

    Karl Liebknecht is correctly bracketed with Luxemburg as the heroic mass figure who stood out against the German war machine and symbolised to the troops in the blood-soaked trenches, not just Germans but French and others, as an indefatigable, working-class, internationalist opponent of the First World War. His famous call – “The main enemy is at home” – caught the mood, particularly as the mountain of corpses rose during the war.
    But Rosa Luxemburg, on this anniversary, deserves special attention because of the colossal contribution she made to the understanding of Marxist ideas, theory and their application to the real movement of the working class. Many have attacked Rosa Luxemburg for her ‘false methods’, particularly her alleged lack of understanding of the need for a ‘revolutionary party’ and organisation. Among them were Stalin and Stalinists in the past.

    Others claim Rosa Luxemburg as their own because of her emphasis on the ‘spontaneous role of the working class’ that seems to correspond to an ‘anti-party mood’, particularly amongst the younger generation, which is, in turn, a product of the feeling of revulsion at the bureaucratic heritage of Stalinism and its echoes in the ex-social democratic parties. But an all-sided analysis of Rosa Luxemburg’s ideas, taking into account the historical situation in which her ideas matured and developed, demonstrates that the claims of both of these camps are false.

    She made mistakes: “Show me someone who never makes a mistake and I will show you a fool.” Yet here is a body of work of which, read even today almost 100 years later, is fresh and relevant – particularly when contrasted to the stale ideas of the tops of the ‘modern’ labour movement. They can enlighten us particularly the new generation who are moving towards socialist and Marxist ideas. For instance, her pamphlet ‘Reform and Revolution’ is not just a simple exposition of the general ideas of Marxism counterposed to reformist, incremental changes to effect socialist change. It was written in opposition to the main theoretician of ‘revisionism’, Eduard Bernstein. Like the labour and trade union leaders to day – although he was originally a Marxist, indeed a friend of the co-founder of scientific socialism, Friedrich Engels – Bernstein under the pressure of the boom of the late 1890s and first part of the 20th century, attempted to ‘revise’ the ideas of Marxism, which would in effect have nullified them. His famous aphorism, “The movement is everything, the final goal nothing,” represented an attempt to reconcile the Social Democratic Party of Germany (SPD) with what was an expanding capitalism at that stage.

    Rosa Luxemburg, as had Lenin and Trotsky, not only refuted Bernstein’s ideas but in an incisive analysis adds to our understanding of capitalism then, and to some extent today, the relationship between reform and revolution (which should not be counterposed to each other from a Marxist point of view) and many other issues. She wrote: “What proves best the falseness of Bernstein's theory is that it is in the countries having the greatest development of the famous "means of adaptation" - credit, perfected communications and trusts - that the last crisis (1907-1908) was most violent.” Shades of today’s world economic crisis, particularly as it affects the most debt-soaked economies of the US and Britain?

    Social democracy supports the war

    Moreover, Luxemburg was amongst the very few who recognised the ideological atrophy of German social democracy prior to the First World War. This culminated in the catastrophe of the SPD deputies in the Reichstag (parliament) – with the original single exception of Karl Liebknecht – voting for war credits for German imperialism. The leaders of the SPD, along with the trade union leaders, had become accustomed to compromise and negotiations within the framework of rising capitalism. This meant that the prospects for socialism, specifically the socialist revolution, were relegated to the mists of time in their consciousness.
    This was reinforced by the growth in the weight of the SPD within German society. It was virtually “a state within a state”, with over one million members in 1914, 90 daily newspapers, 267 full-time journalists and 3,000 manual and clerical workers, managers, commercial directors and representatives. In addition it had over 110 deputies in the Reichstag and 220 deputies in the various Landtags (state parliaments) as well as almost 3,000 elected municipal councillors. Apart from in 1907, the SPD seemed to progress remorselessly in electoral contests. There were at least 15,000 full-time officials under the sway of the SPD in the trade unions.

    This was, in the words of Ruth Fischer, a future leader of the Communist Party of Germany, a “way of life… The individual worker lived in his party, the party penetrated into the workers’ everyday habits. His ideas, his reactions, his attitudes, were formed out of the integration of his personal and his collective.” This represented both a strength and a weakness. A strength because the increasing power of the working class was reflected in the SPD and the unions. But this was combined with the smothering of this very power, an underestimation by the SPD leaders, indeed a growing hostility to the revolutionary possibilities which would inevitability break out at some future date.

    Rosa Luxemburg increasingly came into collision with the SPD machine, whose stultifying conservative effect she contrasted to the social explosions in the first Russian revolution of 1905-07. Luxemburg was a real internationalist; a participant in the revolutionary movement in three countries. Originally a Pole, she was a founder of the Social Democratic party of the Kingdom of Poland (SDKP), in the Russian movement as a participant in the Russian Social Democratic Labour Party (RSDLP) and a naturalised German and prominent member of the SPD. She contrasted the flair and energy from below in Russia, witnessed at first hand, to the weight the increasingly bureaucratic machine of the party and unions in Germany, which could prove to be a colossal obstacle to the working class taking power, she argued, in the event of a revolutionary eruption.

    In this sense, she was more farsighted even than Lenin, who passionately absorbed in Russian affairs and who saw the SPD as the ‘model’ for all the parties of the Second International, and its leaders, such as Kautsky, as teachers. Trotsky pointed out: “Lenin considered Kautsky as his teacher and stressed this everywhere he could. In Lenin’s work of that period and for a number of years following, one does not find a trace of criticism in principle directed against the Bebel-Kautsky tendency.” Indeed, Lenin thought that Luxemburg’s increasing criticisms of Kautsky and the SPD leadership were somewhat exaggerated. In fact, in his famous work, ‘Two Tactics of Russian Social Democracy” of 1905, Lenin wrote: “When and where did I ever call the revolutionism of Bebel and Kautsky ‘opportunism’? ... When and where have there been brought to light differences between me, on the one hand, and Bebel and Kautsky on the other? ... The complete unanimity of international revolutionary Social Democracy on all major questions of programme and tactics is a most incontrovertible fact.”

    Lenin recognised that there would be opportunist trends within mass parties of the working class but he compared the Mensheviks in Russia not with Kautskyism but with the right-wing revisionism of Bernstein. That lasted right up to the German social democrats’ infamous vote in favour of war credits on 4 August 1914. With the initial exception of Liebknecht and later Otto Rühle, they were the only two out of 110 SPD deputies who voted against. Indeed, when Lenin was presented with an issue of the SPD paper, ‘Vorwärts’, supporting war credits, he first of all considered it a ‘forgery’ of the German military general staff. Rosa Luxemburg was not so unprepared, as she had been involved in a protracted struggle, not just with the right-wing SPD leaders but also with the ‘left’ and ‘centrist’ elements, like Kautsky.

    Trotsky also, in his famous book, ‘Results and Prospects’ (1906), in which the Theory of the Permanent Revolution was first outlined, did have a perception of what could take place: “The European Socialist Parties, particularly the largest of them, the German Social-Democratic Party, have developed their conservatism in proportion as the great masses have embraced socialism and the more these masses have become organized and disciplined… Social Democracy as an organization embodying the political experience of the proletariat may at a certain moment become a direct obstacle to open conflict between the workers and bourgeois reaction.” In his autobiography, ‘My Life’, Trotsky subsequently wrote: “I did not expect the official leaders of the International, in case of war, to prove themselves capable of serious revolutionary initiative. At the same time, I could not even admit the idea that the Social Democracy would simply cower on its belly before a nationalist militarism.”

    Spontaneous mass action

    It was these factors, the immense power of the social democracy, on the one side, and the inertia of its top-heavy bureaucracy in the face of looming sharp changes in the situation in Germany and Europe, on the other side, which led to one of Luxemburg’s best-known works, ‘The Mass Strike’ (1906). This was a summing up of the first Russian revolution from which Luxemburg drew both political and organisational conclusions. It is a profoundly interesting analysis of the role of the masses as the driving force, of their ‘spontaneous’ character in the process of revolution. In emphasising the independent movement and will of the working class against “the line and march of officialdom”, she was undoubtedly correct in a broad historical sense.

    Indeed, many revolutions have been made in the teeth of opposition and even sabotage of the leaders of the workers’ own organisations. This was seen in the revolutionary events of 1936 in Spain. While the workers of Madrid initially demonstrated for arms and their socialist leaders refused to supply them, the workers of Barcelona – freed from the inhibitions towards ‘leaders’ – rose ‘spontaneously and smashed Franco’s forces within 48 hours. This ignited a social revolution which swept through Catalonia and Aragon to the gates of Madrid, with four fifths of Spain initially in the hands of the working class. In Chile in 1973, on the other hand, where the working class listened to their leadership and remained in the factories as Pinochet announced his coup, the most militant workers were systematically rounded up and slaughtered.

    We also saw, without a ‘by-your-leave’ to their leaders, a spontaneous revolutionary explosion in France in 1968 when 10 million workers occupied factories for a month. The leaders of the French Communist Party and the ‘Socialist’ Federation, rather than seeking victory through a revolutionary programme of workers’ councils and a workers and farmers’ government, lent all their efforts to derailing this magnificent movement. Similarly, in Portugal, in 1974, a revolution not only swept away the Caetano dictatorship but meant that, in its first period, an absolute majority of votes to those standing in elections under a socialist or communist banner.

    This led in 1975 to the expropriation of the majority of industry. The Times (London) declared that “capitalism is dead in Portugal”. This proved not to be so, unfortunately, because the initiatives from below by the working class, and the opportunities they generated, were squandered. This was because there was no coherent and sufficiently influential mass party and leadership capable of drawing all the threads together and establishing a democratic workers’ state. These examples show that the spontaneous movement of the working class is not sufficient in itself to guarantee victory in a brutal struggle against capitalism.

    The ‘spontaneous’ character of the German revolution was evident in November 1918. This spontaneous eruption of the masses, moreover, flew in the face of everything that the social-democratic leaders wanted or desired. Even the creation before this of the Independent Social Democratic Party (USPD), which came from a split in the SPD in 1917, arose not from any conscious policy of its leaders – including Kautsky and Rudolf Hilferding, as well as the arch-revisionist Bernstein. It developed because of the indignation and revolt of the working class at the SPD’s executive throttling within the party of all objections and resistance to their policy on the war. This split was neither prepared nor desired by these ‘oppositionists’. Nevertheless, they took with them 120,000 members and a number of newspapers.

    The general strike

    Connected to Rosa Luxemburg’s emphasis on ‘spontaneity’ was the issue of the general strike. Basing herself on the mass strikes of the Russian revolution, she nevertheless adopted a certain passive and fatalistic approach on this issue. To some extent, this later affected the leaders of the Communist Party (KPD) after her death. Rosa Luxemburg correctly emphasised that a revolution could not be made artificially, outside of a maturing of the objective circumstances that allowed this possibility.
    However, the role of what Marxists describe as the ‘subjective factor’, a mass party, far-sighted leadership, etc, is crucial in transforming a revolutionary situation into a successful revolution. So is timing, as the opportunity for a successful social overturn can last for a short time.

    If the opportunity is lost, it may not recur for a long time, and the working class can suffer a defeat. Therefore, at a crucial time, a definite timeframe, a correct leadership, can help the working class to take power. Such was the role of the Bolsheviks in the 1917 Russian revolution.
    The opposite was the case in 1923 in Germany. The opportunity of following the example of the Bolsheviks was posed but lost because of the hesitation of the KPD leaders, who were supported in this wrong policy by, among others, Stalin. This was partly conditioned by historical experience until then, in which ‘partial general strike action’ featured in the struggles of the working class in the decades prior to the First World War. In this period, there were instances where governments took fright at the general strike at its very outset, without provoking the masses to open class conflict, and made concessions.

    This was the situation following the Belgian general strike in 1893, called by the Belgian Labour Party with 300,000 workers participating, including left-wing Catholic groups. A general strike, on a much bigger scale, took place in Russia, in October 1905, on which Rosa Luxemburg comments. Under the pressure of the strike, the Tsarist regime made constitutional ‘concessions’ in 1905.

    The situation following the First World War – a period of revolution and counter-revolution - was entirely different to this, with the general strike posing more sharply the question of power. The issue of the general strike is of exceptional importance for Marxists. We do not have a fetish about the general strike. In some instances, it is an inappropriate weapon; at the time of General Lavr Kornilov’s march against Petrograd in August 1917, neither the Bolsheviks nor the soviets (workers’ councils) thought of declaring a general strike. On the contrary, the railway workers continued to work so that could transport the opponents of Kornilov and derail his forces. Workers in the factories continued to work too, except those who had left to fight Kornilov. At the time of the October revolution, in 1917, there was again no talk of a general strike. The Bolsheviks enjoyed mass support and under those conditions calling a general strike would have weakened them and not the capitalist enemy. On the railways, in the factories and offices, the workers assisted the uprising to overthrow capitalism and establish a democratic workers’ state.

    In today’s era, a general strike, ‘generally’, is an ‘either-or’ issue where an alternative workers’ government is implicit in the situation. In the 1926 general strike in Britain, the issue of power was posed, where ‘dual power’ existed for nine days. In 1968, in France, the biggest general strike in history posed the question of power but for the reasons explained above, the working class did not seize it.

    The German revolution of 1918-1924 also witnessed general strikes and partial attempts in this direction. The Kapp putsch in March 1920, when the director of agriculture of Prussia, who represented the Junkers and highly-placed imperial civil servants, took power with the support of the generals, was met with one of the most complete general strikes in history.

    Like France in 1968, the government “could not get a single poster printed” as the working class paralysed the government and the state. This putsch lasted for a grand total of 100 hours! Yet even with this stunning display of the power of the working class, it did not lead to a socialist overturn, precisely because of the absence of a mass party and leadership capable of mobilising the masses and establishing an alternative democratic workers’ state. In fact, the erstwhile followers of Luxemburg in the newly-formed Communist Party made ultra-left mistakes in not initially supporting and strengthening the mass actions against Kapp.

    The role of a revolutionary party

    The issue of leadership and the need for a party is central to an estimation of Rosa Luxemburg’s life and work. It would be entirely one-sided to accuse her, as has been attempted by some critics of both her and Trotsky, of ‘underestimating’ the need for a revolutionary party. Indeed, her whole life within the SPD was bent towards rescuing the revolutionary kernel within this organisation from reformism and centrism. Moreover, she herself built up a very ‘rigid, independent organisation’, that is a party, with her co-worker Leo Jogiches in Poland. However, her revulsion at the ossified character of the SPD and its ‘centralism’ meant that she did, on occasion, ‘bend the stick too far’ the other way. She was critical of Lenin’s attempt to create in Russia a democratic party but one that was ‘centralised’.

    On the split between the Bolsheviks and the Mensheviks, Luxembourg she was a ‘conciliator’ in her approach, as was Trotsky (shown in his participation in the ‘August bloc’). She sought unity between the Bolsheviks and the Mensheviks in Russia. But after the Bolsheviks had won four fifths of the organised workers in Russia by 1912 a formal split took place between them and the Mensheviks. Lenin understood before others that the Mensheviks were not prepared for a struggle going beyond the framework of Russian landlordism and capitalism. Lenin’s approach was vindicated in the Russian revolution, with the Mensheviks ending up on the other side of the barricades. Following the 1917 Russian revolution, Rosa Luxemburg did come close to Bolshevism subsequently and became part of its international trend, as did Trotsky.

    The main charge that can be made against Luxemburg, however, is that she did not sufficiently organise a clearly delineated trend against both the right of the SPD and the centrists of Kautsky. There were some criticisms both at the time and later that suggested that Luxemburg and her ‘Sparticist’ followers should have immediately split with the SPD leaders, certainly following their betrayal at the outset of the First World War. Indeed Lenin, as soon as he was convinced of the betrayal of social democracy – including the ‘renegade Kautsky’ – called for an immediate split, accompanying this with a call for a new, Third International. A political ‘split’ was undoubtedly required, both from the right and ‘left’ SPD. Rosa did this, characterising the social democracy as a “rotten corpse”.
    The organisational conclusion from this was of a tactical rather than a principled character. Moreover, hindsight is wonderful when dealing with real historical problems. Rosa Luxemburg confronted a different objective situation to that facing the Bolsheviks in Russia. Spending most of their history in the underground, with a relatively smaller organisation of cadres, the Bolsheviks necessarily acquired a high degree of ‘centralisation’, without, at the same time, abandoning very strong democratic procedures.

    There was also the tumultuous history of the Marxist and workers’ movement in Russia, conditioned by the experience of the struggle against Narodya Volya (People’s Will), the ideas of terrorism, the 1905 and 1917 revolutions, the split between the Bolsheviks and Mensheviks, the first world war, etc. Rosa Luxemburg confronted an entirely different situation, as a minority, and somewhat isolated in a ‘legal’ mass party with all the attributes described above.

    Although she was a naturalised German citizen, Luxemburg was considered an ‘outsider’, particularly when she came into conflict with the SPD leadership. Indeed, despite this, Luxemburg’s courage and fortitude shines through when one reads the speeches and criticisms that she made of the party leadership over years. She criticised the “clinging mists of parliamentary cretinism”, what would be called “electoralism” at the present time. She even lacerated August Bebel, the ‘centrist’ party leader who increasingly “could only hear with his right ear”. At one stage, accompanied by Clara Zetkin, she said to Bebel: “Yes, you can write our epitaph: ‘Here lie the last two men of German social democracy’.” She castigated the SPD’s trailing after middle-class leaders in an excellent aphorism appropriate to those who support coalitionism today. She wrote that it was necessary “to act on progressives and possibly even liberals, than to act with them”.

    But a vital element of Marxism, in developing political influence through a firm organisation or a party, was not sufficiently developed by Rosa Luxemburg or her supporters. This does not have to take the form necessarily, on all occasions, of a separate ‘party’. But a firmly-organised nucleus is essential in preparing for the future. This, Luxemburg did not achieve, which was to have serious consequences later with the outbreak of the German revolution. Rosa Luxemburg and Leo Jogiches correctly opposed “premature splits”. Luxemburg wrote: “It was always possible to walk out of small sects or small coteries, and, if one does not want to stay there, to apply oneself to building new sects and new coteries. But it is only an irresponsible daydream to want to liberate the whole mass of the working class from the very weighty and dangerous yoke of the bourgeoisie by a simple ‘walk out’.”

    Working in mass organisations

    Such an approach is entirely justified when a long-term strategy is pursued by Marxists within mass parties. Such was the approach of Militant, now the Socialist Party, when it worked successfully within the Labour Party, in the 1980s, in Britain. Militant established perhaps the most powerful position for Trotskyists, in Western Europe at least, probably since the development of the international Left Opposition.

    But such an approach – justified at one historical period – can be a monumental error at another, when conditions change and particularly when abrupt revolutionary breaks are posed. Rosa Luxemburg and Jogiches could not be faulted for seeking to organise within the social democracy for as long as possible and, for that matter, the USPD later. Indeed, Lenin, in his eagerness to create mass communist parties in the aftermath of the Russian revolution, was sometimes a little impatient and premature in his suggestions for splitting from social-democratic organisations. He proposed a rapid split of the communists from the French Socialist Party in 1920 but changed his mind after Alfred Rosmer, in Moscow during that year, suggested that the Marxists would need more time to bring over the majority to the stand of the Communist (Third) International.

    Even Lenin, while proposing a split from the Second International and the formation of the Third International, following the August 1914 debacle, was even prepared to amend his position if events did not work out as he envisaged. For instance, on the issue of the Third International he wrote: “The immediate future will show whether conditions have already ripened for the formation of a new, Marxist International… If they have not, it will show that a more or less prolonged evolution is needed for this purging. In that case, our Party will be the extreme opposition within the old International – until a base is formed in different countries for an international working men’s association that stands on the basis of revolutionary Marxism.” When the floodgates of revolution were thrown open in February 1917 in Russia, and the masses poured onto the political arena, even the Bolsheviks – despite their previous history – had about 1% support in the soviets, and 4% by April 1917.

    The real weakness of Luxemburg and Jogiches was not that they refused to split but that in the entire preceding historical period they were not organised as a clearly-defined trend in social democracy preparing for the revolutionary outbursts upon which the whole of Rosa Luxemburg’s work for more than 10 years was based. The same charge – only with more justification – could be levelled at those left and even Marxist currents that work or have worked in broad formations, sometimes in new parties. They have invariably been indistinguishable politically from the reformist or centrist leaders. This was the case in Italy in the PRC where the Mandelites (now organised outside in Sinistra Critica) were supporters of the ‘majority’ of Bertinotti until they were ejected and then left the party. The SWP’s German organisation (Linksruck, now Marx 21) pursues a similar policy within Die Linke (the Left party) today as the left boot of the party and consequently will not gain substantially.

    Luxemburg politically did not act like this but she did not draw all the organisational conclusions, as had Lenin, in preparing a steeled cadre, a framework for a future mass organisation, in preparation for the convulsive events that subsequently developed in Germany. It was this aspect that Lenin subjected to criticism in his comments on Rosa Luxemburg’s’ Junius’ pamphlet, published in 1915. Lenin conceded that this was a “splendid Marxist work” although he argued against confusing opposition to the First World War, which was imperialist in character, and legitimate wars of national liberation. But Lenin, while praising Luxemburg’s pamphlet, also comments that it “conjures up in our mind the picture of a lone man [he did not know Rosa was the author] who has no comrades in an illegal organisation accustomed to thinking out revolutionary slogans to their conclusion and systematically educating the masses in their spirit”.
    Here lie some of the differences between Lenin and Rosa Luxemburg. Lenin systematically trained and organised the best workers in Russia in implacable opposition to capitalism and its shadows in the labour movement. This necessarily involved clearly organising a grouping, ‘faction’ – one that was organised as well as based on firm political principles. Lenin organised for future battles, including the revolution.

    Rosa Luxemburg was an important figure in all the congresses of the Second International and generally carried the votes of the Polish Social Democratic party in exile. She was also a member of the International Socialist Bureau. However, as Pierre Broué points out: “She was never able to establish within the SPD either a permanent platform based on the support of a newspaper or a journal or a stable audience wider than a handful of friends and supporters around her.”

    The growing opposition to the war, however, widened the circle of support and contacts for Luxemburg and the Sparticist group. Trotsky sums up her dilemma: “The most that can be said is that in her historical-philosophical evaluation of the labour movement, the preparatory selection of the vanguard, in comparison with the mass actions that were to be expected, fell too short with Rosa; whereas Lenin – without consoling himself with the miracles of future actions – took the advanced workers and constantly and tirelessly welded them together into firm nuclei, illegally or legally, in the mass organisations or underground, by means of a sharply defined programme.” However, Luxemburg did begin after the revolution of November 1918 her “ardent labour” of assembling such a cadre.

    A programme for workers’ democracy

    Moreover, Luxemburg posed very clearly the ideological tasks: “The choice today is not between democracy and dictatorship. The question which history has placed on the agenda is: bourgeois democracy or socialist democracy for the dictatorship of the proletariat is democracy in a socialist sense of the term. The dictatorship of the proletariat does not mean bombs, putsches, riots or ‘anarchy’ that the agents of capitalism claim.” This is an answer to those who seek to distort the idea of Karl Marx when he spoke about the ‘dictatorship of the proletariat’, which in today’s terms, as Luxemburg pointed out, means workers’ democracy. Because of its connotations with Stalinism however, Marxists today, in trying to reach the best workers, do not use language which can give a false idea of what they intend for the future. This, unfortunately, includes the term ‘dictatorship of the proletariat’, which can be construed as connected to Stalinism. The same idea is expressed in our call for a socialist, planned economy, organised on the basis of workers’ democracy.

    The German revolution not only overthrew the Kaiser but posed the germ of a workers government through the institution of a network of workers and sailors' councils on the lines of the Russian revolution. A period of dual power was initiated and the capitalists were compelled to give important concessions to the masses such as the eight-hour day. But the social-democratic leaders like Gustav Noske and Philipp Scheidemann conspired with the capitalists and the reactionary scum in the Freikorps (predecessors of the fascists) to take their revenge.

    General Wilhelm Groener, who led the German army, admitted later on: “The officer corps could only cooperate with a government which undertook the struggle against Bolshevism … Ebert [the social-democrat leader] had made his mind up on this … We made an alliance against Bolshevism … There existed no other party which had enough influence upon the masses to enable the re-establishment of a governmental power with the help of the army.” Gradually, concessions to the workers were undermined and a vitriolic campaign against the ‘Bolshevik terror’, chaos, the Jews, and particularly, “bloody Rosa” was unleashed. Bodies like the Anti-Bolshevik League organised its own intelligence service and set up, in its founder’s words, an “active anti-communist counter-espionage organisation”.

    In opposition to the slogan ‘All power to the soviets’ – the slogan of the Russian revolution – the reaction led by Noske’s Social Democrats mobilised behind the idea of “All power to the people”. This was their means of undermining the German ‘soviets’. A ‘constituent assembly’ was posed as an alternative to Luxemburg and Liebknecht’s ideas of a national council of soviets to initiate a workers and farmers’ government. Unfortunately, the muddled centrist lefts, whose party grew enormously as the social-democratic leaders lost support, let slip the opportunity to create an all-Germany council movement.

    The discontent of the masses was reflected in the January 1919 uprising. Such stages are reached in all revolutions when the working class sees its gains snatched back by the capitalists and comes out onto the streets; the Russian workers in the July Days of 1917 and the May Days in Catalonia in 1937 during the Spanish revolution. The events of the German revolution were dealt with in Socialism Today (Issue 123, November 2008) and The Socialist (Issue 555, 4 November 2008).

    The July Days in Russia developed four months after the February revolution whereas in Germany the uprising took place a mere two months after the revolutionary overturn of November 1918. This itself is an indication of the speed of events that developed in Germany at this stage. Given the isolation of Berlin from the rest of the country at that stage, a setback or a defeat was inevitable. But this became all the greater for the working class with the murder of Karl Liebknecht and Rosa Luxemburg. It was as if both Lenin and Trotsky had been assassinated in Russia in July 1917. This would have removed the two leaders whose ideas and political guidance led to the success of the October revolution. Lenin – extremely modest on a personal level – was quite aware of his own vital political role and took steps, by going into hiding in Finland, to avoid falling into the hands of the counter-revolution.

    Despite the urging of those like Paul Levi to leave Berlin, both Luxemburg and Liebknecht remained in the city, with the terrible consequences that followed. There is no doubt that Luxemburg’s sure political experience would have been a powerful factor in avoiding some of the mistakes – particularly ultra-left ones – which were subsequently made in the development of the German revolution. In the convulsive events of 1923 in particular, Rosa Luxemburg with her keen instinct for the mass movement and ability to change with circumstances, would probably not have made the mistake made by Heinrich Brandler and the leadership of the KPD, when they let slip what was one of the most favourable opportunities in history to make a working-class revolution and change the course of world history.

    Luxemburg and Liebknecht are in the pantheon of the Marxists greats. For her theoretical contribution alone, Rosa Luxemburg deserves to stand alongside Marx, Engels, Lenin and Trotsky. Those who try and picture her as a critic of the Bolsheviks and the Russian revolution are entirely false. She hailed the work of Lenin and Trotsky. Her book written in prison in 1918 – in which she criticised the Bolshevik regime – was a product of isolation, which she was persuaded not to publish and did not pursue later when released from prison. Yet still in her most erroneous work she wrote of the Russian revolution and the Bolsheviks: “Everything that a party could offer of courage, revolutionary farsightedness, and consistency in a historic hour, Lenin, Trotsky and the other comrades have given in good measure… Their October uprising was not only the actual salvation of the Russian revolution; it was also the salvation of the honour of international socialism”. Only malicious enemies of the heroic traditions of the Bolshevik party circulated this material after her death in an attempt to divide Luxemburg from Lenin, Trotsky, the Bolsheviks and the great work of the Russian revolution.

    Luxemburg made mistakes on the issue of the independence of Poland. She was also wrong on the difference between the Bolsheviks and the Mensheviks (even in July 1914 supporting the opportunists who stood for the ‘unity’ between them) and, as Lenin pointed out, also on the economic ‘theory of accumulation’. But also in the words of Lenin, “In spite of her mistakes she was – and remains for us – an eagle”. So should say the best workers and young people today who have occasion to study her works in preparation for the struggle for socialism.
  2. LUXEMBURGUISTA
    LUXEMBURGUISTA
    This is the typical trotskyst distortion, that tries to take advantage of Rosa's figure, but denying his expositions.
    SALUD
  3. Crux
    Crux
    Did you even read the article?
  4. Tower of Bebel
    Tower of Bebel
    I think that for a "typical trotskyist" account this article is farily "nuanced". Yet this passage is simplistic because of the example it uses:

    In this sense, she was more farsighted even than Lenin, who passionately absorbed in Russian affairs and who saw the SPD as the ‘model’ for all the parties of the Second International, and its leaders, such as Kautsky, as teachers. Trotsky pointed out: “Lenin considered Kautsky as his teacher and stressed this everywhere he could. In Lenin’s work of that period and for a number of years following, one does not find a trace of criticism in principle directed against the Bebel-Kautsky tendency.” Indeed, Lenin thought that Luxemburg’s increasing criticisms of Kautsky and the SPD leadership were somewhat exaggerated. In fact, in his famous work, ‘Two Tactics of Russian Social Democracy” of 1905, Lenin wrote: “When and where did I ever call the revolutionism of Bebel and Kautsky ‘opportunism’? ... When and where have there been brought to light differences between me, on the one hand, and Bebel and Kautsky on the other? ... The complete unanimity of international revolutionary Social Democracy on all major questions of programme and tactics is a most incontrovertible fact.”

    At that time (1905) The Kautsky-Bebel tandem did not take a centrist position towards the question of reform or revolution. The divisions between a left, center and right wing only grew stronger after 1909 because of the rising tentions within imperialist capitalism. Of course Kautsky and Bebel made mistakes, but it were Lenin and especially Trotsky who sometimes exaggerated the mistakes of Kautsky (and Bebel). Yet this had much to do with the fact that after the war the former great theoretician of marxism was critical of Bolshevism while he did not break with the state socialists.
  5. LUXEMBURGUISTA
    LUXEMBURGUISTA
    Yes, I did. Can I express in spanish? It´s very difficult to me to express in english.
    In our forum, the ILF, you can see some questions (in english too) on the differences between trotskysm and luxemburgism. I post the link to one reply that I did
    http://luxemburgism.forumr.net/polit...kyism-t114.htm
    And in this Forum (in the Revolutionary Marxism Group) there are some posts too
    I am not in agreement with the bolshevik´s idea on the ¿errors? of RL. The History demonstrated that she was right in all his criticism of the Bolsheviks
    This is the central question to me and the reason why I criticized the text.
    We, the luxemburgists, claim/vindicate the figure and the work of RL, not the myth.
    SALUD
  6. Crux
    Crux
    Hablo un poco español. And there's always Googletranslate.
  7. LUXEMBURGUISTA
    LUXEMBURGUISTA
    Well. Tomorrow, I´ll post a criticism more complete in Spanish. To translate, if you can, look PROMT in some P2P network. It´s better.
    SALUD
  8. LUXEMBURGUISTA
    LUXEMBURGUISTA
    [FONT=Arial]El texto no aborda en realidad las posiciones de Rosa Luxemburgo, sino que intenta (como tantos otros textos de las corrientes trotskystas) justificar las posiciones de Lenin y los bolcheviques frente a unos pretendidos “errores” de Rosa que no se debaten en ningún caso.[/FONT]
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    [FONT=Arial]En primer lugar, Rosa fue tan cr*tica con los revisionistas como con los bolcheviques ¿Por qué? En el fondo, puede buscarse la respuesta en una frase de este texto:[/FONT]
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    [FONT=Arial]“This meant that the prospects for socialism, specifically the socialist revolution, were relegated to the mists of time in their consciousness”[/FONT]
    [FONT=Arial] [/FONT]
    [FONT=Arial]Tanto los l*deres del SPD (Kautsky) como los bolcheviques (Lenin) ten*an la misma concepción sobre las posibilidades del proletariado como clase revolucionaria. Ambas tendencias, en oposición radical a Marx-Engels y a la AIT, consideraban al proletariado incapaz de realizar la revolución por s* mismo. Para Kautsky, el proletariado necesitaba de una fuerte organización previa a la transformación socialista, con un liderazgo teórico. Para Lenin, la organización de vanguardia sustitu*a directamente a la clase como sujeto revolucionario, quedando relegado el proletariado a mero “ejecutor” de las órdenes y consignas de los “l*deres”. Sobre la posición leninista en oposición a la de Marx, el texto más claro que conozco es de Wolfgang Leonhard, Triple Escisión del Marxismo. [/FONT]
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    [FONT=Arial]En cualquier caso, la cr*tica de Trotsky también se basa en la percepción de las similitudes entre Kautsky y Lenin:[/FONT]
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    [FONT=Arial]Trotsky pointed out: “Lenin considered Kautsky as his teacher and stressed this everywhere he could. In Lenin’s work of that period and for a number of years following, one does not find a trace of criticism in principle directed against the Bebel-Kautsky tendency”[/FONT]
    [FONT=Arial] [/FONT]
    [FONT=Arial]Los trotskystas actuales segu*s defendiendo las mismas premisas:[/FONT]
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    [FONT=Arial]“This was because there was no coherent and sufficiently influential mass party and leadership capable of drawing all the threads together and establishing a democratic workers’ state. These examples show that the spontaneous movement of the working class is not sufficient in itself to guarantee victory in a brutal struggle against capitalism … However, the role of what Marxists describe as the ‘subjective factor’, a mass party, far-sighted leadership, etc, is crucial in transforming a revolutionary situation into a successful revolution. So is timing, as the opportunity for a successful social overturn can last for a short time … If the opportunity is lost, it may not recur for a long time, and the working class can suffer a defeat. Therefore, at a crucial time, a definite timeframe, a correct leadership, can help the working class to take power. Such was the role of the Bolsheviks in the 1917 Russian revolution … it did not lead to a socialist overturn, precisely because of the absence of a mass party and leadership capable of mobilising the masses and establishing an alternative democratic workers’ state”[/FONT]
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    [FONT=Arial]Pero en ningún caso se explica entonces cual es la causa de que los procesos ¿revolucionarios? dirigidos por ese tipo de partidos hayan terminado convirtiéndose en dictaduras SOBRE el proletariado. Curiosamente, las cr*ticas de Rosa Luxemburgo y del propio Trotsky (Our Political Tasks, 1904) SÍ explican perfectamente que un partido de tipo bolchevique sólo podrá desarrollar una dictadura jacobina, burguesa, y tiránica contra el propio proletariado. Las palabras de Trotsky en ese caso SÍ que fueron realmente proféticas:[/FONT]
    [FONT=Arial]“In the internal politics of the Party these methods lead, as we shall see below, to the Party organisation “substituting” itself for the Party, the Central Committee substituting itself for the Party organisation, and finally the dictator substituting himself for the Central Committee; on the other hand, this leads the committees to supply an “orientation” – and to change it – while “the people keep silent”; in “external” politics these methods are manifested in attempts to bring pressure to bear on other social organisations, by using the abstract strength of the class interests of the proletariat, and not the real strength of the proletariat conscious of its class interests. These “methods,” as adopted by us and the content of our Party work. All in all, these “methods” lead to the complete disappearance of questions of political tactics in Social Democracy.” (LT, OPT, 1904)[/FONT]
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    [FONT=Arial]La “firm organization” no es un elemento vital del marxismo. Al menos no del marxismo de Rosa Luxemburgo. Ni del marxismo del propio Marx. Marx nunca hizo “fetichismo organizativo”. Tanto él como Engels y Rosa (y muchos otros, aunque no los bolcheviques) entendieron el proceso revolucionario como lo que es: un proceso histórico. No un putsch.[/FONT]
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    [FONT=Arial]En ese sentido el concepto de “huelga pol*tica de masas” (que no huelga general, concepción anarquista y utópica criticada por Rosa) se corresponde precisamente con ese proceso, discontinuo y con altibajos, a través del cual el proletariado, clase compleja, no uniforme, desarrolla su lucha contra el capitalismo y POR EL SOCIALISMO (no por el capitalismo de estado), creando sus organizaciones, que son sólo herramientas y no fines en s* mismas. Las organizaciones sirven al proletariado, y no al revés. Si lo que se pretende es la revolución socialista y no otra cosa completamente distinta.[/FONT]
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    [FONT=Arial]“Luxemburg made mistakes on the issue of the independence of Poland. She was also wrong on the difference between the Bolsheviks and the Mensheviks (even in July 1914 supporting the opportunists who stood for the ‘unity’ between them) and, as Lenin pointed out, also on the economic ‘theory of accumulation’.”[/FONT]
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    [FONT=Arial]¿Por qué no explica esos “errores”?[/FONT]
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    [FONT=Arial]Sobre el nacionalismo, la prueba más evidente del oportunismo leninista (sólo le interesaba hacerse con el poder y mantenerse en él) es la masacre del proletariado finlandés y ucraniano, entregado por Lenin y los suyos. ¿Qué esperaban que pasar*a después cuando se lanzaron sobre Polonia, tras haber traicionado al proletariado polaco? Y nada aprendieron los bolcheviques después: China, los movimientos de liberación nacional,… ¿Dónde han llevado? ¿A qué socialismo?[/FONT]
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    [FONT=Arial]Las cr*ticas a los bolcheviques una vez en el poder están perfectamente reflejadas en La Revolución Rusa. Y la Historia demostró que acertó en todas sus cr*ticas, desde el tema de la democracia hasta la cuestión de la agricultura. ¿Tengo que recordarte las frases de Trotsky contra los revolucionarios de Krondstadt? ¿Qué democracia obrera fue la URSS en cualquiera de sus periodos desde la toma del poder por los bolcheviques? Por cierto, antes de las Tesis de Abril, el propio Lenin desconfiaba y abominaba de los soviets. Y su famosa consigna (“Todo el poder para los soviets”) no fue sino propaganda oportunista, al darse cuenta de que los soviets tomar*an el poder y su partido se quedar*a fuera. ¿Qué hicieron los bolcheviques con los soviets? Bolcheviquizarlos, ponerlos bajo su estricto control, e impedir que el resto de tendencias del movimiento obrero pudiesen participar de “su democracia”.[/FONT]
    [FONT=Arial]¿Qué pasó con la agricultura? El resultado fue, primero el “¿comunismo?” de guerra y la eliminación de los soviets de campesinos sin tierras, y luego la NEP.[/FONT]
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    [FONT=Arial]En cuanto a la teor*a de la acumulación del capital, también la Historia (y la crisis actual) demuestra que frente a los “teóricos adoradores de la letra del Capital”, Rosa supo ir más allá de una obra que, recordemos, no estaba acabada. Y, como siempre le interesó, analizó el mundo real, aplicando el Materialismo Histórico, no se quedó sólo en la discusión filosófica. Conforme a lo planteado por ella, el proceso de acumulación es el proceso de expansión del capitalismo sobre las sociedades no capitalistas y sobre los grupos sociales no capitalistas. Es el mecanismo necesario para el capital para continuar su proceso de reproducción ampliada (la acumulación). La prueba de la validez de su teor*a no sólo está en las crisis que ella pudo analizar (las anteriores a 1913-1915), sino en las posteriores a su muerte: ¿Cómo ha tenido que reaccionar el capitalismo ante sus propios l*mites acumuladores?[/FONT]
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  9. Red Dreadnought
    Red Dreadnought
    The experiencie of time have proved that Rosa was right in "nationalism" question, as the same time Bolsheviks gave the self-determination to Ukrania, Letonia, etc. these countries made a "fascist belt" around Soviet Rusia, and isolated it from Germany.

    And the analysis of Imperialism of Rosa is more accurated nowadays than Lenin one; when "nationalism movements" have nothing more to offer to working masses, than a flag,an anthem...and famines, represion and submission to neo-colonialism. You can see it in Vietnam, China, Ethiopia, Angola, Argelia; such a bloody fucking regimes, represing its working class and helping the multinationals to a brutal explotation.
  10. Tower of Bebel
    Tower of Bebel
    I don't intend to defend the article. I intend to defend what I believe are the common ideas of Rosa Luxemburg and Vladimir Lenin.
    [FONT=Arial]Tanto los l*deres del SPD (Kautsky) como los bolcheviques (Lenin) ten*an la misma concepción sobre las posibilidades del proletariado como clase revolucionaria. Ambas tendencias, en oposición radical a Marx-Engels y a la AIT, consideraban al proletariado incapaz de realizar la revolución por s* mismo. Para Kautsky, el proletariado necesitaba de una fuerte organización previa a la transformación socialista, con un liderazgo teórico. Para Lenin, la organización de vanguardia sustitu*a directamente a la clase como sujeto revolucionario, quedando relegado el proletariado a mero “ejecutor” de las órdenes y consignas de los “l*deres”.[/FONT]
    This highly depends on both the interpretation of Lenin and the period in which Lenin elaborated his theoretical thoughts. When objective realties changed through time Lenin added some new thoughts and principles to the ones he already had. He did not discard proletarian democracy. I don't see any possible (plausible) substitutionism or preferences for eletist dictatoships in his works until after 1917. Yet even in 1918 Lenin stressed the necessity of proletarian democracy (The renegade Kautsky) in the same way as Luxemburg did in her works (The Russian Revolution).
    [...] I examined, for instance, the question of democracy and dictatorship in my pamphlet, The State and Revolution, written before the October Revolution. I did not say anything at all about restricting the franchise. And it must be said now that the question of restricting the franchise is a nationally specific and not a general question of the dictatorship. One must approach the question of restricting the franchise by studying the specific conditions of the Russian revolution and the specific path of its development. [...] It would be a mistake, however, to guarantee in advance that the impending proletarian revolutions in Europe will all, or the majority of them, be necessarily accompanied by restriction of the franchise for the bourgeoisie. It may be so. After the war and the experience of the Russian revolution it probably will be so; but it is not absolutely necessary for the exercise of the dictatorship, it is not an indispensable characteristic of the logical concept “dictatorship”, it does not enter as an indispensable condition in the historical and class concept “dictatorship”.
    The indispensable characteristic, the necessary condition of dictatorship is the forcible suppression of the exploiters as a class, and, consequently, the infringement of “pure democracy”, i.e., of equality and freedom, in regard to that class.


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    This is the way, the only way, the question can be put theoretically
    In other words: the limitation of democracy is a specific characteristic of the Russian Revolution. This does not hold true for all other situations. Lenin's thoughts on proletarian democracy in a pure, hypothetical situation can be found in his State and revolution. Now, let's see what Rosa luxemburg wrote on democracy and the specific, Russian conditions in which it had survive:
    Yes, dictatorship! But this dictatorship consists in the manner of applying democracy, not in its elimination, but in energetic, resolute attacks upon the well-entrenched rights and economic relationships of bourgeois society, without which a socialist transformation cannot be accomplished. But this dictatorship must be the work of the class and not of a little leading minority in the name of the class – that is, it must proceed step by step out of the active participation of the masses; it must be under their direct influence, subjected to the control of complete public activity; it must arise out of the growing political training of the mass of the people. Doubtless the Bolsheviks would have proceeded in this very way were it not that they suffered under the frightful compulsion of the world war, the German occupation and all the abnormal difficulties connected therewith, things which were inevitably bound to distort any socialist policy, however imbued it might be with the best intentions and the finest principles.


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    Everything that happens in Russia is comprehensible and represents an inevitable chain of causes and effects, the starting point and end term of which are: the failure of the German proletariat and the occupation of Russia by German imperialism. It would be demanding something superhuman from Lenin and his comrades if we should expect of them that under such circumstances they should conjure forth the finest democracy, the most exemplary dictatorship of the proletariat and a flourishing socialist economy. By their determined revolutionary stand, their exemplary strength in action, and their unbreakable loyalty to international socialism, they have contributed whatever could possibly be contributed under such devilishly hard conditions. The danger begins only when they make a virtue of necessity and want to freeze into a complete theoretical system all the tactics forced upon them by these fatal circumstances, and want to recommend them to the international proletariat as a model of socialist tactics. When they get in there own light in this way, and hide their genuine, unquestionable historical service under the bushel of false steps forced on them by necessity, they render a poor service to international socialism for the sake of which they have fought and suffered; for they want to place in its storehouse as new discoveries all the distortions prescribed in Russia by necessity and compulsion – in the last analysis only by-products of the bankruptcy of international socialism in the present world war.
    This relationship between Lenin and Luxemburg is key to understanding the characteristics of and truth behind both the vanguard model and the political strike.
    La “firm organization” no es un elemento vital del marxismo. Al menos no del marxismo de Rosa Luxemburgo. Ni del marxismo del propio Marx. Marx nunca hizo “fetichismo organizativo”. Tanto él como Engels y Rosa (y muchos otros, aunque no los bolcheviques) entendieron el proceso revolucionario como lo que es: un proceso histórico. No un putsch.

    En ese sentido el concepto de “huelga pol*tica de masas” (que no huelga general, concepción anarquista y utópica criticada por Rosa) se corresponde precisamente con ese proceso, discontinuo y con altibajos, a través del cual el proletariado, clase compleja, no uniforme, desarrolla su lucha contra el capitalismo y POR EL SOCIALISMO (no por el capitalismo de estado), creando sus organizaciones, que son sólo herramientas y no fines en s* mismas. Las organizaciones sirven al proletariado, y no al revés. Si lo que se pretende es la revolución socialista y no otra cosa completamente distinta.
    Kautsky was sceptical of the strike and so is JR's reference Mike Macnair because they, indeed, they emphasize the similarities with the anarchist mass strike. I think however that after the experience of 1905, Lenin adopted, just like Rosa Luxemburg, the political strike as a valid method of struggle. Yet he did so in combination with the principle of forming an independant, political cl/mass party, which he adpoted from Karl Kautsky's works.
    [FONT=times][FONT=verdana][FONT=times][FONT=verdana][FONT=times][FONT=verdana][FONT=times]Luxemburg’s The Mass Strike draws out the lessons of the 1905 revolution for the German working class movement, and contains moving and inspiring descriptions of the wave of strikes and protests that shook tsarism.[/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT]

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    [FONT=times][FONT=verdana][FONT=times][FONT=verdana][FONT=times][FONT=verdana][FONT=times]She witnessed revolutionary action accomplish more in a flash than could be achieved in a lifetime of trade union and parliamentary activity. In the same way, Lenin said of bloody Sunday that, “‘the revolutionary education of the proletariat made more progress in one day than it could have made in months and years of drab, humdrum, wretched existence.’”14[/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][FONT=times][FONT=verdana][FONT=times][FONT=verdana][FONT=times][FONT=verdana][FONT=times]Far from fetishizing spontaneity, Luxemburg’s focus, like Lenin’s, is constantly on the interaction between the spontaneous and the conscious: “If...the direction of the mass strike...is a matter of the revolutionary period itself, the directing of the mass strike becomes...the duty of Social Democracy and its leading organs...the Social Democrats are called upon to assume political leadership in the midst of the revolutionary period.”15 When she depicts leadership as a block on mass self-activity, her target again is not the revolutionary vanguard but the bureaucratic centralism of the trade unions and parliamentarians.[/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT]
    Lenin did not oppose spontaneity. Not at all. But what he did make was the necessary distinction between "positive" and "negative" forms of spontaneity. The former is a controled and organized outburst, desirably political in character. valuable Consciousness derived from this outburst is of lasting value because if organized the porleriat can preserve that value. The latter is unorganized and uncontroled. If so, consciousness then fades away with the fading of the movement itself. This makes an independant class organization of the proletariat indispensable (according to Kautsky and Lenin).
  11. LUXEMBURGUISTA
    LUXEMBURGUISTA
    I´ll reply in Spanish (if there are doubts, you can answer me)

    Lenin SÍ mantuvo la misma concepción que Kautsky, y la llevó a la práctica. Lenin consideraba, al igual que Kautsky, que el proletariado por s* mismo era incapaz de ir más allá del reformismo, del "sindicalismo", del "trade-unionismo". Lenin, al igual que Kautsky, pensaba que era necesaria la existencia de una instancia EXTERIOR o SEPARADA del proletariado (el partido que él lideraba, en su caso concreto), que era la garant*a del carácter revolucionario de la lucha contra el capitalismo. Para Lenin, como para Kautsky, el partido no es una parte del proletariado, sino algo distinto del proletariado (y superior, por su carácter "verdaderamente" revolucionario). La izquierda italiana (Bordiga) llevó esta concepción a su máxima expresión, considerando al partido el depositario de "lo revolucionario". Por eso los bordiguistas son ultra-leninistas.

    Esto es distinto a lo planteado por Rosa Luxemburgo y por Marx. Vuelvo a recomendar la lectura de Wolfgang Leonhard. Pongo el enlace al fragmento en el que analiza las diferencias entre Marx y Lenin: http://marxismolibertario.blogspot.c...cisin-del.html

    La concepción de Lenin-Kautsky es que el verdadero SUJETO REVOLUCIONARIO es el partido (la parte) y no el proletariado (el todo). El proletariado es tan sólo el ejecutor de lo que el partido dice, de lo que el partido quiere que haga. Porque Lenin y Kautsky consideran al proletariado incapaz. Por eso son blanquistas, jacobinos. Lenin aún más que Kautsky. Y los bordiguistas (y todas las corrientes que en él se inspiran) aún más todav*a. Y por eso, para Lenin deb*a existir UNA organización independiente de la clase obrera, mientras que Marx y Rosa admit*an que hab*a diversas organizaciones de las que se dotaba la clase, porque expresaban la misma complejidad y diversidad interna de la clase, y que esas organizaciones no eran "eternas" porque eran simples herramientas para alcanzar la emancipación.

    Hay un texto muy bueno de un autor "extraño", Barrot (su evolución es bastante negativa): "El renegado Kautsky y su disc*pulo Lenin" que ser*a interesante que leyérais.

    En cuanto a la democracia, Lenin fue totalmente antidemocrático. No porque hubiera unas "condiciones especiales", sino porque sólo as* pod*a garantizar SU poder. Y eso está TOTALMENTE relacionado con su concepción blanquista del sujeto revolucionario.

    Fue antidemocrático cuando, por la fuerza de las armas, eliminó las posibilidades de intervención del resto de organizaciones proletarias. Rosa Luxemburgo lo denunció en La Revolución Rusa.

    Fue antidemocrático cuando "bolcheviquizó" los soviets, acabando con la democracia proletaria que reivindicaba Rosa Luxemburgo (la democracia de todos los proletarios, no sólo de una parte de ellos). Hay un libro excepcional sobre esta materia de Oskar Anweiler (Los Soviets en Rusia)

    Fue antidemocrático cuando prohibió las tendencias o fracciones en el seno del partido bolchevique (X Congreso). En eso Trotsky estuvo totalmente de acuerdo con Lenin. Cardan (Castoriadis) lo analizó a la perfección en su introducción y sus notas a "La Oposición Obrera" de Kollontai.

    Sigo diciendo lo que dije: Trotsky fue PROFÉTICO cuando denunció lo que era la concepción de Lenin en 1904 y dónde llevaba INEVITABLEMENTE esa concepción si era llevada a la práctica. Pero después "olvidó" esa "profec*a".

    Por último, en cuanto a la espontaneidad, Rosa la entend*a de manera dialéctica. No existe esa distinción entre una espontaneidad "buena" y otra "mala". No existe la "pureza", lo "bueno", porque estamos en una sociedad capitalista que es enfrentada por un movimiento revolucionario que surje de la necesidad. Eso hace que el maniquiesmo no sirva. Porque no refleja la verdadera complejidad dialéctica del proceso.

    Y ah* es donde la concepción de la "huelga pol*tica de masas" de Rosa Luxemburgo se demuestra completamente acertada. Lenin no la asumió en ningún momento (ni Kautsky tampoco). La prueba es el control del poder por los bolcheviques. Rosa Luxemburgo analiza el proceso histórico real, analiza cómo se desarrolla ese proceso. Y comprueba que no es lineal, sino que refleja en cada momento la relación dialéctica entre las clases sociales enfrentadas. Y que no puede ser "previsto", conocido de antemano. Por eso "lo espontáneo".

    Sobre la concepción de la espontaneidad (y sobre las concepciones de Rosa Luxemburgo en general) lo mejor que se ha escrito sigue siendo la obra de Lelio Basso (que un camarada nuestro está digitalizando y publicaremos en castellano, aunque creo que es accesible en otros idiomas). Pero también son muy interesantes los textos de Frölich (http://marxismolibertario.blogspot.c...ntaneidad.html, fragmento recogido por Daniel Guerin) y de Vidal Villa (http://marxismolibertario.blogspot.c...burguismo.html).

    SALUD
  12. Tower of Bebel
    Tower of Bebel
    Lenin SÍ mantuvo la misma concepción que Kautsky, y la llevó a la práctica. Lenin consideraba, al igual que Kautsky, que el proletariado por s* mismo era incapaz de ir más allá del reformismo, del "sindicalismo", del "trade-unionismo".
    After reading some historical background information I think we should consider some important "details" to make Kautsky's (and Lenin's) position more comprehenisble. For example:
    Lenin believed, like Kautsky, that the proletariat on itself was unable to go beyond reforms of the "union" ("trade-unionism")
    ... through daily economic and political struggle (struggle for wages, shorter working-hours, etc.) in their respective unions.
    Lenin, like Kautsky, thought it was necessary to have an instance of the proletariat OUTSIDE or separated from it (the party that he led in this case), which was [to guarantee] the revolutionary struggle against capitalism.
    Actually. I think Kautsky and Lenin stressed that what the working class needed to overcome the devisions raised by purely economic struggles (divisions which are in the interest of the "labour aristocracy") was scientific socialism. But this is a theory developed by so called middle class intelligentsia (as defined by Kautsky). Only an independent (from the capitalist class), mass political party would be able to merge the workers' movement with this theory. So scientific socialism is foreign to the proletariat while socialism (as a goal) can only be the work and art of the proletariat (as a whole). The proletarian party must serve as a merger in order to surmount this (at least according to Kautsky) crucial distinction.
    That does not mean that the proletariat plays a secondary role. There is not need for a seperate instance (something that exists next to the proletariat). Kautsky and Lenin stressed the fact that socialism can only be the work of the working class as a whole. There is only a need for a seperate theory. A theory seperate from the knowledge gained through daily economic struggles. The proletarian party is an instance, but not a foreign one, because it can only serve the proletariat if it constitutes the proletariat.
    Para Lenin, como para Kautsky, el partido no es una parte del proletariado, sino algo distinto del proletariado (y superior, por su carácter "verdaderamente" revolucionario).
    It's no surprise that I don't believe this. I think it is an exaggeration, as explained above. The proletariat organised as (not by) a distinct revolutionary, political mass party is supperior to a proletariat organized in (yellow) trade unions because the latter are ruled by a labour aristocracy.
    La concepción de Lenin-Kautsky es que el verdadero SUJETO REVOLUCIONARIO es el partido (la parte) y no el proletariado (el todo). El proletariado es tan sólo el ejecutor de lo que el partido dice, de lo que el partido quiere que haga.
    Only in a dialectical relation with the class struggle can the party develop its own ideas distinctive from the knowledge raised by so called "trade-unionism". The quote I take results to comparing Kautskyism to Stalinism instead of seeing the development of Bolshevism or the Bolshevik party as something that was continuoulsy in motion. This process was partially determined by class struggle (the Russian Revolutions, political mass strikes, etc.) and partially by objective circumstances (like war, economic collapse, counterrevolution, etc.). The party did not dictate the class struggle in 1905 and it did not in 1917. Lenin corresponded in 1917 to his comrades that the proletariat was always ahead of the central committee ("the party"). There was no grip over the prolerariat because Bolshevik party and the majority of the proletariat were almost one and the same (until the Bolsheviks lost the elections in 1918). It did however try to dictate in the mid-twenties and it failed (Zinovev ordered the proletariat to rise again Stalin. The working class did not because it was not organized to furfill this task).
    Hay un texto muy bueno de un autor "extraño", Barrot (su evolución es bastante negativa): "El renegado Kautsky y su disc*pulo Lenin" que ser*a interesante que leyérais.
    I've read it in the past.
    Por último, en cuanto a la espontaneidad, Rosa la entend*a de manera dialéctica. No existe esa distinción entre una espontaneidad "buena" y otra "mala". No existe la "pureza", lo "bueno", porque estamos en una sociedad capitalista que es enfrentada por un movimiento revolucionario que surje de la necesidad. Eso hace que el maniquiesmo no sirva. Porque no refleja la verdadera complejidad dialéctica del proceso.
    Of course there is no analytical distinction between good and bad. Yet the distinction was made because it was part of Lenin's polimics against certain trends within Russian social democracy. This distinction was also made because of the historical context. The consideration of context makes it easier for readers to understand why at one moment Lenin refers to the proletariat as a class having a bourgeois consciousness while on another moment he writes that the proletariat is genuinely social-democratic (revolutionary and socialist). I know the dialectical skills of Rosa luxemburg. And I don't use Lenin against her in this regard. However, I should look up some more back ground information on the political mass strike before I can go on.
    Rosa Luxemburgo analiza el proceso histórico real, analiza cómo se desarrolla ese proceso. Y comprueba que no es lineal, sino que refleja en cada momento la relación dialéctica entre las clases sociales enfrentadas. Y que no puede ser "previsto", conocido de antemano.
    This is actually a common feature of both Lenin and Luxemburg. Lenin used a similar remark against one of Trotsky's conclusions in Resluts and Prospects. Both Lenin and Luxemburg also stressed the petty bourgeois character of Russian revolutionary democracy (because of the minority position of the proletariat) in the first decade of the twentieth century. Lenin did not defend minority rule and personal or party dictatorships. yet after October Lenin and Luxemburg were in totally different positions. In my opinion not theoretically but in practice. This is because of the inherent backward character of the Russian Revolution and the destructive isolation forced upon it by imperialist forces. Which is something Luxemburg recognized from the very beginning.

    I see we're reaching the point where it's up to us to decide whether we leave this discussion on semantics or not.

    The only true theoretical differences between Rosa Luxemburg and Lenin can be found within the discussion on the marxist conception of the national question. There are possibly plenty of practical differences between both. And this is mostly because of material conditions (f.e. backwardness, isolation and partyism) and the knowledge of certain details and events (the Bolshevik-Meshevik split f.e.). Of course material conditions are a bearer of theoretical reflections which means that inevitably the longer certain material conditions prevail the more former theoretical details tend to grow into theoretical contradictions (spontaneity and democracy are important examples).
  13. Tower of Bebel
    Tower of Bebel
    I found another partial answer to your claim. It's one written by Kautsky himself.
    Lenin SÍ mantuvo la misma concepción que Kautsky, y la llevó a la práctica. Lenin consideraba, al igual que Kautsky, que el proletariado por s* mismo era incapaz de ir más allá del reformismo, del "sindicalismo", del "trade-unionismo". Lenin, al igual que Kautsky, pensaba que era necesaria la existencia de una instancia EXTERIOR o SEPARADA del proletariado (el partido que él lideraba, en su caso concreto), que era la garant*a del carácter revolucionario de la lucha contra el capitalismo. Para Lenin, como para Kautsky, el partido no es una parte del proletariado, sino algo distinto del proletariado (y superior, por su carácter "verdaderamente" revolucionario).
    [...] every one of our co-fighters, academicians and proletarians alike, who are capable of participating in proletarian activity, utilise the common struggle or at least investigate it, in order to draw new scientific knowledge which can in turn be fruitful for further proletarian activity. Since that is how the matter stands, it is impossible to conceive of science being handed down to the proletariat or of an alliance between them as two independent powers. That science, which can contribute to the emancipation of the proletariat, can be developed only by the proletariat and through it. What the liberals bring over from the bourgeois scientific circles cannot serve to expedite the struggle for emancipation, but often only to retard it.
    While workers are not capable of developing scientific socialism when they confine themselves to "trade-unionism", the intellectuals need the proletarian masses and the class struggle to develop scientific socialism. Those intellectuals are however not an opposing class, they're individuals, but part of the proletariat because they devote their skills and knowledge to the emancipation of the working class. They merge their interests with the class interests of the proletariat.
    http://www.revolutionary-history.co....1/Kautsky.html
  14. Die Neue Zeit
    Die Neue Zeit
    What a quote fest this post is gonna be!

    At that time (1905) The Kautsky-Bebel tandem did not take a centrist position towards the question of reform or revolution. The divisions between a left, center and right wing only grew stronger after 1909 because of the rising tentions within imperialist capitalism. Of course Kautsky and Bebel made mistakes, but it were Lenin and especially Trotsky who sometimes exaggerated the mistakes of Kautsky (and Bebel). Yet this had much to do with the fact that after the war the former great theoretician of marxism was critical of Bolshevism while he did not break with the state socialists.
    While you are definitely right about Trotsky's exaggeration of vulgar-"centrist" mistakes, comrade, I don't see how Kautsky's most well-known disciple exaggerated such.

    Kautsky was sceptical of the strike and so is JR's reference Mike Macnair because they, indeed, they emphasize the similarities with the anarchist mass strike. I think however that after the experience of 1905, Lenin adopted, just like Rosa Luxemburg, the political strike as a valid method of struggle. Yet he did so in combination with the principle of forming an independant, political cl/mass party, which he adpoted from Karl Kautsky's works.
    I don't think Kautsky was that skeptical in 1909:

    http://www.marxists.org/archive/kaut...power/ch09.htm

    "In addition to those that have already been utilized we have now added the mass strike, which we had already theoretically accepted at the beginning of the 90s, and whose application under favorable conditions has been repeatedly tested since then. If it has been somewhat pushed into the background since the glorious days of 1905, this only shows that it is not workable in every situation, and that it would be foolish to attempt to apply it under all conditions."