Conversation Between James Connolly and l'Enfermé

  1. There's no more point in continuing that discussion now, although I can understand why you'd employ such a standard.
  2. You should probably stop. You're copy-pasting lies from wherever and you should double-check your sources. I've checked numerous Russian-language sources and the only ones that deny this is ultra-nationalist Russian chauvinist types. On the day of the Soviet invasion, the Polish state did not yet go into exile, it still had 140,000 square kilometers of land until it's control, and 650,000 to 750,000 men in it's army. The Soviet attack came on September 17, and the Polish state didn't collapse and go into exile until October 6(and then only because the last Polish troops ran out of ammunition and food).

    Moreover, Poles were the single biggest ethnic group in the 200,000 square kilometers of land that Stalin annexed and the native Ukraine and White-Russian populations greatly resisted Soviet annexation, as the pro-independence movements weren't crushed there like they were in Eastern Ukraine and Belarus. The Ukrainians and the White-Russians didn't prefer Russian yoke over Polish yoke.
  3. This is from Yuly Kvitsinsky- First Deputy Chairman of the Duma Committee on International Affairs.
    This operation pursued two objectives – to push the frontiers back before the start of an inevitable war, and to gain time. The secret protocol to the pact does not say that we occupy these territories.
  4. It says that this is a sphere of our interest. Warsaw was captured by the Germans. The Polish government fled to the south, and was no longer in control of anything. Without resorting to any armed actions, Soviet troops marched into Poland, but only into those territories– Western Belarus and Western Ukraine – which Poland had seized during the war with Russia under the 1921 Riga Treaty against the decisions of the entente. I’m referring to the Curzon Line [a demarcation line that determined Poland’s eastern border by decision of the Entente’s Supreme Council at the Paris Peace Conference in December 1919. The Curzon Line left almost all the lands with the predominant Polish population in the West, whereas non-Poles, that is, Ukrainians, Belarusians, and Lithuanians, in the East. However, Poland ignored the Entente’s recommendations and attacked the U.S.S.R.
  5. The resultant 1921 Riga Peace Treaty gave Poland the territory with Ukrainian, Belarusian, and Lithuanian population, which had previously been part of the Russian Empire – Ed.]. Talking about injustice is not very appropriate. Later on, we even made some alterations to this border together with the Germans under the Boundary and Friendship Treaty of September 28, 1939. We withdrew from the strictly Polish regions which had fallen in into our sphere of influence, and exchanged them for Lithuania, in particular, Vilnius. We believed that we should ensure the security and territorial integrity of Lithuania, a traditional part of the Russian Empire, with which we had signed a Treaty of Military Union, and to meet the national aspirations of Lithuanians.
  6. Yeah, as if the bourgeois Polish state, an ultranationalistic country that had been plotting against the Soviets for years, had more administrative legitimacy than the Soviet Union. You're a Trot for gosh sakes!
  7. lol
    Yeah sure, that territory was "theirs". It's not like Western Ukraine and Belarus were ceded to Poland at the Treaty of Riga, which ended the Polish-Soviet War in 1921. The Soviet Union didn't claim that territory until the day of the invasion. Moreover, the Polish government wasn't in exile, that's really a pathetic lie. When Stalin attacked Poland, the Polish government still had until it's control most of the major cities, including Warsaw, Lublin, Tarnopol, Grodno, Wilno, and Lwow. They had full control of 140,000 square kilometers of land(the area of Poland before the war began was 390,000 square kilometers), and there were between 650,000 and 750,000 men in the Polish army operating within the Polish borders.
  8. On September 28, 1939, the Germans and Soviets made this agreement.

    The Government of the USSR will not impede German citizens or other persons of German ancestry residing within its spheres of interest should they desire to move to Germany or to German spheres of interest. It agrees that this resettlement will be conducted by persons authorized by the German Government in accordance with responsible local authorities and that in the process the property rights of the resettled persons will not be infringed.
    The German Government assumes the same obligation with respect to persons of Ukrainian or Belorussian ancestry residing within its spheres of interest.
  9. Most of the sources on the article were from Katyn related websites.

    Then war between Poland and the Soviet Union broke out, and about 800,000 men, under the command of the Soviet Union, marched from the Soviet Union, and occupied the eastern half of the Polish State, shot and blew up a bunch of Poland's soldiers and annexed the areas they have occupied.
    The Polish government was in exile, so there really wasn't a "Polish state." The Soviets simply reoccupied territory that was theirs. Why did they move the Red Army there? Because, as Soviet territory, the Soviet government had a right to move the army there and create security for the Belorussian and Ukrainian population.
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