Conversation Between cyu and Reclaimed Dasein

  1. cyu
    I don't think capital can become a problem if employee have the right to assume democratic control over their places of work, if people who can actually use commodities have the right to take it from places where it's stored for speculation, and if people have the right to start using anything else as legal tender at any time.
  2. Reclaimed Dasein
    In many ways I approve of Anarcho-syndicalism, but I keep coming back to Marx's objection to Proudhon. Until the fundamental social relations are overthrown, no true change can occur.

    Put differently, so long as we accept currency we inherently accept commodity. If we accept commodity, then we must accept capital. It's more complicated then that, but those are my thoughts at the moment. Thank you for your response.
  3. cyu
    Here's one - from http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1940667

    A market economy can work pretty well to determine what needs to be produced, provided there's one condition: that everyone has relatively equal amounts of spending power. Consider the concept of supply and demand: in theory, the more demand there is for some product or service, a market economy will be encouraged to increase the supply for that product or service.

    However, there is a flaw in the theory above that many pro-capitalists overlook: demand (in a capitalist economy) is not measured in units of people, it is measured in units of money. Thus you can have 99% of the people "demanding" basic necessities of life, but it won't matter a bucket of spit compared to a rich man with millions of times more money, who is demanding luxury goods. As the gap between rich and poor increases, the market economy will be focused more and more on producing luxury goods.

    In order to have a market economy that serves everyone, rather than the wealthy few, spending power must be relatively equal. But can that be achieved through non-violence?

    If wealth is concentrated in stocks, then employees should assume democratic control over their companies, thus rendering stocks worthless.

    If wealth is concentrated in the hoarding of commodities, then people who will actually use those commodities should just take them from the storage areas where they are just being held for speculation.

    If wealth is concentrated in paper money or gold, then people should just stop accepting that paper money or gold as legal tender, and start using something else as legal tender.

    All these acts are non-violent. However, you may be attacked while carrying out these activities, in which case fighting back would only be self-defense.
  4. Reclaimed Dasein
    I like your perspective on being the radical revolution you want to see. Do you have any particular theory about how we should create/be revolution?
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