Conversation Between Misanthrope and Pogue

  1. Pogue
    yes, yes you are
  2. Misanthrope
    Lenninists.. lulz

    m i rite
  3. Pogue
    Yeh, I have my deeds here right beside me now to the word anarchism, and that is of course entirely contradictor yof my believe that private property is wrong. I also charge people for using the word.

    I hope you recognise my sarcasm there just reprents how your answer is stupid and oncemore reflects your ignorance as you dont even know what private property means.
  4. Misanthrope
    Oh they stole the word. So communists are so against private property but they own the word anarchism. Okay..
  5. Pogue
    What are you on about? All I have said is anarchism as an ideology, called anarchism, when people identified as the anarchist movement, emerged from socialism. There was no anarchism before socialism or apart form socialism until free makrteers stole the word later on
  6. Misanthrope
    Libertarian socialism began before the industrial revolution. Where feudalism was the primary economic system, not free market capitalism (in Europe). Free market capitalism wasn't the intellectual root of social anarchism, it was the intellectual root of individualist anarchism, being that property rights were emergent from voluntary agreements.

    Tucker (capitalist) was influenced by Proudhon, Tucker influenced Rothbard. Anarcho-Capitalism arose.
  7. Pogue
    there was no anarcho-capitalist movement. free markets have been rpacticed throughout history, but that wasn't the intellectual roots of anarchism. it was free market capitalism. it wasn't as though when the IWA were arguing the an caps were around

    free market capitalism existed, libertarian socialism emerged from the IWA under bakunin, which adopted the name of anarchism (which was coined by proudhon)

    what i am saying is anarchism as an ideolgoy was created solely as libertarian socialism, there was no original anarchism which split into left and right, it has always been left wing, and free marketeers stole the name later.

    i dont think u udnerstand this.
  8. Misanthrope
    So in America, there wasn't a free market and emerging property rights with little to no state intervention? And in pre-industrial Britain there 80 percent of property wasn't owned by 5 percent of the population? And this consequently led to anarchist movements that opposed private property and didn't mind private property? Benjamin Tucker's anarchism arose from the situation in America, where there was Proudhonian property rights. Tucker influenced Rothbard and that is where anarcho-capitalism came from.

    First you ignore definitions, now you ignore history..
  9. Pogue
    thats such rubbish, thats not even true history, it wasnt an 'anarchist movement', anarchism came from the first international and the wiritings of libertarian socialists
  10. Misanthrope
    You're wrong. It does have roots in individualism and capitalism and I explained why one movement was capitalistic and one movement was socialistic.
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