What's Going On?

[Spasiba]

Can't think of a better title, so whatever.
The government, the bourgeoisie, those with power, etc, are they playing us for fools or do they believe in what they are doing? What I mean is, do Obama and McCain believe what they say? Are they really trying to help people, or are they playing the system for their own or their associates benefits? Do they care if they lose elections to the other party? I mean, since there's not that much difference between them, yet they can get extremely heated in conversation, what do they see? Do they see the system as working greatly, the way the world should be, the ideal way of things? Or do they just see it as a way of keeping the majority of the world in control? And companys that claim to care about the community they are in, and give to charity and such, do they see themselves as really doing the right thing, or just a way to attract more customers to line their pockets with billions as they give some money away, or is does it help them sleep at night? Should these programs be looked down on? And similar questions to others in power, is it all a game to them, or do they see the world in a way like we do, with a real ideaology, and believe they can do some good, or whatever it takes to make the world turn? And finally, people like Bill O'Rielly and Rush Limbaugh and others, are they speaking from the heart, or just stirring up the masses for their enjoyment? Do they really care about what goes on, or does the fact that elections don't really change much resonate with them as well, except they happen to like that?
Hope you get what I'm saying, sorry it's all so Ameri-centric.

[Rjevan]

The government, the bourgeoisie, those with power, etc, are they playing us for fools or do they believe in what they are doing?
The capitalists certainly believe that exploiting hard-working people is the right thing, otherwise they would have to ask themselves if their wealth isn't unjustified.

What I mean is, do Obama and McCain believe what they say? Are they really trying to help people, or are they playing the system for their own or their associates benefits?
In my opinion both of them care only for their own benefits. McCain is old enough so that he should know that he can't change the world into a better place with his strange republican views which have proven to be a catastrophe in the last 8 years.
And Obama is, in my opinion, out for power. He sees himself as a new messiah (which is small wonder, people treat him accordingly) but I don't believe that he really believes that he'll be able to change everything for the better, this is impossible and he must know that. As a journalist wrote: "It is clear that Obama will disappoint some of his fans, the only question is which one first."

Do they care if they lose elections to the other party? I mean, since there's not that much difference between them, yet they can get extremely heated in conversation, what do they see?
Sure they care. Because they lose power and influence.

Do they see the system as working greatly, the way the world should be, the ideal way of things? Or do they just see it as a way of keeping the majority of the world in control?
I don't know, it depends on the person.

And companys that claim to care about the community they are in, and give to charity and such, do they see themselves as really doing the right thing, or just a way to attract more customers to line their pockets with billions as they give some money away, or is does it help them sleep at night? Should these programs be looked down on?
Some companies might care about the community and genuinely want to share their wealth but I think most of them do it because they want a good "alibi" and want to ensure that society isn't too dissatisfied with them and that they don't get any dangerous ideas like revolting into their heads. And some just want to sleep well at night, like you said. ;)

And similar questions to others in power, is it all a game to them, or do they see the world in a way like we do, with a real ideaology, and believe they can do some good, or whatever it takes to make the world turn?
Again I suppose it depends on who you're talking about. Some might really believe in their ideology, some only want to achieve power.

[Spasiba]

Sure they care. Because they lose power and influence.

Why don't they try to work with each other then? Or is there just not enough room for that, in their eyes? And their differences, from party to party, while not majorly different, there are some things, abortion being one, they disagree on. Why? If they're only in for power why do they care? Or is it they want the world to live the way they want it? And so republicans believe people shouldn't have that power, while democrats do, as long as they are being voted in and paid.



Some companies might care about the community and genuinely want to share their wealth but I think most of them do it because they want a good "alibi" and want to ensure that society isn't too dissatisfied with them and that they don't get any dangerous ideas like revolting into their heads. And some just want to sleep well at night, like you said. ;)


The reminds me of the (red) campaign, in which you buy stuff sponsored by (red) and money goes to help people, or something. I asked questions on this awhile ago, is there any good coming out of that? I mean places like THE GAP use it, so I'm guessing it's just to gain appeal, and therefore money, which they have enough of to give a little to some poor people.

[Invincible Summer]

Why don't they try to work with each other then? Or is there just not enough room for that, in their eyes? And their differences, from party to party, while not majorly different, there are some things, abortion being one, they disagree on. Why? If they're only in for power why do they care? Or is it they want the world to live the way they want it? And so republicans believe people shouldn't have that power, while democrats do, as long as they are being voted in and paid.

They need to make themselves seem different enough so that the general population has the illusion that they have a real "choice" when voting for their new oppressors.



The reminds me of the (red) campaign, in which you buy stuff sponsored by (red) and money goes to help people, or something. I asked questions on this awhile ago, is there any good coming out of that? I mean places like THE GAP use it, so I'm guessing it's just to gain appeal, and therefore money, which they have enough of to give a little to some poor people.

I know what you mean. If they really cared about these people, they'd donate more than $1 of each (RED) clothing item to whatever. They're just trying to make themselves (and the celebrities they have in their ads) seem more "progressive."

[Spasiba]

They need to make themselves seem different enough so that the general population has the illusion that they have a real "choice" when voting for their new oppressors.
That actually goes to my first post then, and I think you've answered it. Do those in power believe what they say (Does Obama really think he's going to bring hope and change to America) or is just a game to stay in power?

On that, having read a bit about the guy, he was on food stamps before, yes? Clinton was a farmboy. Did these guys really rise to power in the system pursuing the American dream, or is there more to it? That's a question for all I'd like to hear about.




I know what you mean. If they really cared about these people, they'd donate more than $1 of each (RED) clothing item to whatever. They're just trying to make themselves (and the celebrities they have in their ads) seem more "progressive."

It's annoying. So very, very annoying. Maybe it's just because I'm older now but people just buying into this liberal stuff and thinking it's real change and real good is all /facepalm-y. Charities haven't saved us all yet. And then everyone else is conservative, which at least makes them easier to dislike. Genuine leftists are so hard to find:crying:

[Invincible Summer]

That actually goes to my first post then, and I think you've answered it. Do those in power believe what they say (Does Obama really think he's going to bring hope and change to America) or is just a game to stay in power?[quote]

That's a difficult question to get a solid answer to: if you interview any politician, of course they're gonna say they believe what they preach - it's part of the "game" they're playing, yes?

But of course, those cynical of bourgeois politics are going to say otherwise.

[quote]On that, having read a bit about the guy, he was on food stamps before, yes? Clinton was a farmboy. Did these guys really rise to power in the system pursuing the American dream, or is there more to it? That's a question for all I'd like to hear about.

Obama was on food stamps? Strange... his father was a lawyer and he went to a good law school.

A lot of prominence in the political scene (as in business) has to do with getting the right connections with the right people. It also helps if you're white; forget that Obama is a "black man who became President." He's one person out of millions of African-Americans in the United States.

[ZeroNowhere]

Y'know, it annoys me when people claim that racism is suddenly now nearly gone because Obama's President. I mean, come on, how many people actually voted for him? Around 20-30% of the population at most. Of course, the media likes to pretend otherwise.

[Rjevan]

Why don't they try to work with each other then? Or is there just not enough room for that, in their eyes?
That's what I think. Why should they share power if they can have it totally for their own?

And their differences, from party to party, while not majorly different, there are some things, abortion being one, they disagree on. Why? If they're only in for power why do they care? Or is it they want the world to live the way they want it?
The parties have differences because they want to attract different types of people. Some think they might get voters by demanding that abortion should be allowed, others think they will win if they say that abortion should never be allowed. You can often see how fast politicians change their views, if people change views.
And, as you said, there are also some who want to change the world into what they want it to be, as for example the Nazis who dream of a world ruled and populated by what they see as "the master race".


Y'know, it annoys me when people claim that racism is suddenly now nearly gone because Obama's President. I mean, come on, how many people actually voted for him? Around 20-30% of the population at most.
Yes, you're right. This is just optimism, which will fade soon, when they see, that racism isn't gone, just because Obama is the new president.