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Pogue
16th January 2009, 22:42
Are there any people who are genuinely communist who'd say this transition was a bad thing? Would they just be primitivists?
Would the proper communist position always be that capitalism is better than feudalism and is preferable/more efficient?

Saorsa
17th January 2009, 03:59
Would the proper communist position always be that capitalism is better than feudalism and is preferable/more efficient?

Yes. That's the historical materialist position. Capitalism unlocks the productive forces, raises living standards (most of the time), develops technology, creates the proletariat and puts it in it's pivotal position, and takes us a step closer to socialism.

mikelepore
19th January 2009, 10:17
I wouldn't think terms like "a bad thing", "preferable", etc. are applicable when something is inevitable, and events could not have been otherwise. After machinery suitable to mass production and the assembly line was invented, the eventual transition from feudalism to capitalism was inevitable.

KC
19th January 2009, 23:00
Are there any people who are genuinely communist who'd say this transition was a bad thing? Would they just be primitivists?
Would the proper communist position always be that capitalism is better than feudalism and is preferable/more efficient?

To say it was "good" or "bad" is asking for a moralist stance when there should be none. The analysis of history should not be to judge based on a moralist position, but rather to draw conclusions that can be applied to an analysis of contemporary society and to take those conclusions and formulate what is possible in the future.

Our goal is to take what we learn from the past and to apply that knowledge to our actions in the present. The question we should be asking is not was it good or bad but how and why it happened, and what that means for us in the present and for what could happen in the future.

Psy
22nd January 2009, 17:30
I wouldn't think terms like "a bad thing", "preferable", etc. are applicable when something is inevitable, and events could not have been otherwise. After machinery suitable to mass production and the assembly line was invented, the eventual transition from feudalism to capitalism was inevitable.
Wait a second, the US capitalists backed feudal China up to the Maoist revolution, they backed feudal Vietnam till they withdrew from South Vietnam, so how could the end of fedualism be inevitable if the largest capitalist power was backing feudal orders? All the US cared about in the 3rd world was primitive accumulation so if say China was still feudalist due to the failure of Mao why would the USA care as long as the feudal loads was good at exploiting peasants?