Gun law in the UK - so how fucked are we?

[Pirate turtle the 11th]

Ok il make the points.

1. Are there any decent campaign groups against fire arm control (the UK NRA is shit)

2. What should we do in a revolutionary situation in the absance of guns I suppose looting them is an option but theres not many to go round and certainly not enough to be sustainable in a war. Will we end up hiding behind solders who support our cause or what?

3. Should we just charge though machine gun fire with mace spray? Seriously though although its unlikely is there any other non explosive alternative to firearms.

[Black Sheep]

Could you add some info for the rest of us non-brits who do not have a clue of what you're talking about?

[Socialist Scum]

Could you add some info for the rest of us non-brits who do not have a clue of what you're talking about?

There are no fucking guns. None at all. Criminals have them, but even most police walk around without firearms, just looking threatening in their green jelly coats.

[Cult of Reason]

Is it feasible to have us all join the UK NRA and change it from within?

[Annie K.]

1-there is no way a governement will allow the possession of firearms in the context of a building revolutionnary threat
2-the possession of firearms do not make their machine guns less lethal
3-molotovs and aceton peroxyd, and the small number of conventionnal weapons at our disposal will suffice for the type of action that can be efficient to lead a revolution in a country like the UK.

[Pirate turtle the 11th]

Is it feasible to have us all join the UK NRA and change it from within?

I dont think entryism is a effective tactic in this case. The UK NRA seems to be more of a sport club which dosent really act as a pressure group. Also a bunch of revolutionaries asking for guns aint really going to go down well.

[Decolonize The Left]

There is little point in speculating about the availability of firearms in a theoretical revolutionary context. The UK is not poised for a revolution, nor does it appear to be in the near future.

Furthermore, assuming a revolutionary context, the workers would be unified within a framework of class consciousness, and hence large quantities of guns would already be controlled by the workers. If you want to posit even further, assuming said context there would be a worldwide revolutionary movement and hence guns could be imported should there be a desperate need within any given nation.

- August

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

I wonder if there are any firearms advocacy groups within the UK? If so, I'd be tempted to join.

I think it's incredibly fucked-up how the only people with guns in this country are the criminals, gangs and the pigs.

[ls]

We could buy them on eBay (not joking either, it just takes a bit of searching).

[Skin_HeadBanger]

I wonder if there are any firearms advocacy groups within the UK? If so, I'd be tempted to join.

I think it's incredibly fucked-up how the only people with guns in this country are the criminals, gangs and the pigs.


Christ, am I happy that I live in the USA for the gun rights if nothing else (and even that seems like its on its last legs.)

Anyone else see the leaked and imminent "Assault Weapons Ban" the demoncrats are tryin to put through? It's not even complete yet, and it includes Saigas (so happy I picked one up last week), but even worse, it says anything with a pistol grip will be illegal, but in order to get around the gray area aroused by thumbhole stocks, they now consider ALL grips to be pistol grips, including regular hunting/sporter style buttstocks!

Fuck them. They can suck my cock.

Can't find the link right now, but I'm shot... I'll try to find it tomorrow.

[Rjevan]

It's almoast exactly the same in Germany. Ok, our police is armed (it is really a joke, if the criminals are armed but the police isn't. I didn't know that they have no guns in the UK.) but even better slings and pocket knifes are illegal. Who is armed are shooting clubs (airguns and -rifles), criminals and neonazis.

[ls]

It's almoast exactly the same in Germany. Ok, our police is armed (it is really a joke, if the criminals are armed but the police isn't. I didn't know that they have no guns in the UK.) but even better slings and pocket knifes are illegal. Who is armed are shooting clubs (airguns and -rifles), criminals and neonazis.

Knives are illegal here too as are slings or any weapon like that is likely to get you in trouble.


The police have tasers here now apparently in the UK (since 2006).

[Rjevan]

The police have tasers here now apparently in the UK (since 2006).
I don't belive it! Did they have nothing to defense themselves but batons before 2006? :scared:

[ls]

I don't belive it! Did they have nothing to defense themselves but batons before 2006? :scared:

Except for the most occasional cases (to protect 'VIPs', bust armed drug dealer houses and to deal with others with guns and crap like that).. yep.

The only other way really legally to get a gun as a civilian is to get a hunting (typically you can get a rifle or a shotgun for shooting grouse) or a farming license (get yourself an acre of land then apply for one).. then you could get a shotgun, lots of those in Kent. ;)

[Cunning_plan]

Having frittered around the edges of gun society in Britain. This is what I have to say.

If you have the resources, planning, time and following to organise a popular revolution in the UK guns become an irelivent detail.

When you say no guns are allowed what you mean is we arn't allowed to get away with having uzis for "hunting". We are however allowed shotguns and small calibre rifles. Handguns and even AK's are accessible on the blackmarket, this trade does exist still.

In terms of your other points. I do not know of any major pro weapon groups in the UK. Personally I think the trade off of a bit more work tooling up when the revolution comes against little to no gun crime or school shootings is a decent one. Ownership over the means of warfare may be the key, but in a capatilist state I'd rather no guns on the streets especially as it means police do not carry them as standard.

As for charging machine guns with mace. There is little point Martyring yourself if you don't have to. A popular revolution is the way forward and requires little fight. If it comes to it however weapons are obtainable, and anyone with A level chemistry can make a bomb.

[gilhyle]

I personally oppose the right of the capitalist state to control access to guns. I not only believe that socialists should defend the right of union militias and community vigilante groups to bear arms but I think that the possession of weapons by individuals in capitalist society should be decriminalised.:cool:

[Killfacer]

I don't want gun's. I feel safe now and i can't imagine everyone owning guns would make me feel particuarly safe.

[cleef]

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Yes gun control is a big issue but its not impossible to get hold of them if you know the right people.
Alternatively if need be you could fashion your own (there are enough guides floating about on the net)

[Killfacer]

http://www.stickergiant.com/imgs/250/xrg060.gif
Yes gun control is a big issue but its not impossible to get hold of them if you know the right people.
Alternatively if need be you could fashion your own (there are enough guides floating about on the net)

Fashion your own? I would rather use a big stick. Face it, a revolution in Britain at this time is highly unlikely, so gun laws aren't really the biggest problem facing the left. Lack of popularity may be slightly more important...