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MadMoney
6th January 2009, 04:09
A couple people said that it is better to steal Che shirts instead of buying them? Is it morally acceptable to steal?

Qwerty Dvorak
6th January 2009, 04:36
It would probably depend on the circumstances, ie why the person has the item in the first place. If it is something they need or use, then no it's not morally acceptable; if they only own it for the purposes of selling it at a profit then I imagine socialists would see no problem with that.

Kassad
6th January 2009, 14:31
During the early stages of the October Revolution, Lenin and Stalin were advocates of using armed robbery against capitalist organizations and corporations to obtain funds for the revolutionary movement. It's oppressing the oppressor. Is it okay? Depends on your opinion.

If you need something and have tried all other means of obtaining it and your attempts have been futile, then yes, I would not frown upon that person stealing something. I would hope that it would be taken from a corporate powerhouse, not a small farmers market trying to make ends meet, though.

534634634265
6th January 2009, 17:09
theft is merely a tool in the arsenal of marginal people.
I don't advocate theft in any situation where it directly harms an individual. Thus, i wouldn't steal from a person, or from someones personal possessions, or from a small business. a small business owner likely doesn't aspire to being a slave driver, they are simply trying to make a living the way they have been told is best to do so.
Theft is a tool best used against large corporate entities. Larger businesses are nigh impossible to affect through protest or boycott, but they can be affected financially. theft from major chains affects their overhead, affects their profit/loss balance, and ultimately affects their existence in that location. slightly more effective would be to destroy their merchandise, but anything a person does to limit the profits gained by a corp. is a good step.

Dr Mindbender
6th January 2009, 17:15
The semantics of theft are open to debate.

Marxists would claim that the beourgioise are the biggest theives of all because they take our value of labour therefore they have no recourse to reprimand the rest of us.

ÑóẊîöʼn
6th January 2009, 18:02
Depends who you're stealing them from.

MadMoney
6th January 2009, 21:27
The basic idea I am getting is that communists feel it is acceptable to steal if "necessary" and virtuous to steal from a large business or corporation. What constitutes a large business? Does it have to be incorporated? I know how I feel about this, I just want to understand the communist view.

Lord Testicles
6th January 2009, 22:08
If a business is large enough to employ people and therefore exploit them, it's acceptable to steal from said business, because you would only be stealing back what the bourgeoisie have stolen from you.

Theft is compensation for low wages and long hours.

#FF0000
6th January 2009, 22:20
The basic idea I am getting is that communists feel it is acceptable to steal if "necessary" and virtuous to steal from a large business or corporation. What constitutes a large business? Does it have to be incorporated? I know how I feel about this, I just want to understand the communist view.

There is no real "communist view" on this. Marxism doesn't really go into morality. However, taking the product of someone else's labor is wrong.

Where you and I (us) differ here is what we consider the product of someone's labor. We believe that the bourgeoisie force the workers to give up the product of their labor, instead paying them a small portion of the total value of what they produced, which is stealing.

Actually it's extortion. But you get what I mean.