sex psychology and feminism

[Red Militant]

I have been reading off and on about sex politics
and women psychology mostly from two areas
of study that being sexes relations studies and
from the "pick up artists"/ "seduction gurus"
( seriously you'd be surprised how much
psychology is in it)
What I'm getting at is that I have been utterly
shocked and repulsed by womens psychology
To the point that I can no longer take feminism
Seriously, and am having serious doubts that
The socialist movement which aims for the
Elimination of hierarchy should be so tied to
Feminism when feminism does not challenge
The female sexual psychology whose laws
Of attraction reinforce both primal social
Hierarchies (alpha male) and class stratification
Aswell, the feminist goal of end to patriarchy
Cannot be realized until they find the courage to
Look deep into female psychology and confront this
For it truly reinforces patriarchy and social hierchy in
General indeed to look at male and female sexual
Psychology points too the primal
Self mutilative cannabalism at the core of
Humanity our ugly under skin that even
In a world after capitalism will haunt us
And hold us back from the goals of
Socialism.
We cannot declare war on patriarchy
Without declaring war on the evils
Which lie deep within and guide
The very patterns of partner selection for
Sex, reproduction, and relationships.


You will notice that in the process of writing this I came
To a new understanding than the tone in
Which I began, I am not going to edit this.
Tell me what you think as blatantly as I have
Trying to be PC will not solve anything.
Ps sorry about the paragraphing I am typing
This on a very small screen it was the only
Way no joke.

[Red Militant]

Ah yes I did not cite the sources give me until my library opens to find the name of. A particular book it is a sex relations studies
Book that I read bits of which was put together from a massive survey of women
Which purports a very large statistical purportion of surveyed women being
attracted to wealth power high social class and so on, this I would say is more
Objective than the psychology info in PUA material which must be taken with sal
However it does provide allot of knowledge of sex politic and psychology though
Skewed a certain amount.

[Rascolnikova]

Tip from the experts:

If you want to understand feminism, try reading feminists, not antifeminists.

If you want to understand feminine psychology, try Lacan, not "pick up artists."


What you've been reading squeezes a maximum of bigotry from a minimum of insight. Better things exist.

[Dean]

I don't understand why feminism is at fault here? if you are claiming that human sexuality is somehow intrinsically authoritarian, I don't see how that refutes any feminist claims - at least, not any more than it would refute patriarchal attitudes. Or are you saying that male domination is justified if there is some "natural tendancy" for such oppression?

[FuckYoCouch]

Most Useless Thread EVAR

[Red Militant]

The book I mentioned is "What Women want - What Men want" it is written by John Townsend
Drawing from 2000 questionnaires and 200 interviews, Townsend is Associate Professor
of Anthropology at the Maxwell School Syracuse University.

I will be reading Kinsey next.

[MarxSchmarx]

has it ever occurred to you that so-called "pick-up artists" are snake oil salesmen? In order to peddle their trade, they need to convince the gullible sheeple that there is such a thing as "female psychology" that is unique, that plays to the prejudices of desperate men, and that reassures them that their problems are solvable by purchasing the $99.99 book on how to impress divorced women.

Believe X about your ex, do Y, and presto you will find happiness.

Give me a break.


Most Useless Thread EVARQFT

[rebelmouse]

I think all books should be read in critics way. don't accept everything from inside, than make your analyze about it.
I think that women are products of present system, the same as men, we are not born with any psychology. our baby brain was clean. for example, there are matriarchal communities, not only patriarchal.
but it is the fact that women today choose partner on the basis of his/her power (money and position in society, that's result of capitalism), even anarchist girls choose anarchist man who is more important in community. but I think it is not so by the nature, even if it is, we have brain to change natural conditions. I think such way of thinking is result of growing up of women in present system, in which they adapted themselves, more or less. the same, there are things for men, which men adopted in his brain during growing up in present society. so, we should work on it to change ourselves. adopting of theory is not enough, our dailty behavior should be changed, our habits should be changed, etc.
in any case, I think that feminism is mainstream movement.
anarchofeminism is better when it is liberated from mainstream ideas. but many anarchofeminists were before part of mainstream groups, so... they can transfer their ideas in anarchist movement. in any case, nobody is perfect: anarchofeminist groups are useful for movement, just there should be bigger balance: affinities should not separate us, than we should cooperate together. anarchism is whole body, parts of body are: eco-anarchism, anarcho-feminism, anarcho-syndicalism, etc. groups should mix themselves, if we don't want separated groups where everyone favourize his/her work. I think today affinities separate groups, there is lack of mixing in actions of other groups.
but changing of mentality is hard, so, we can just make point/discussion about: how they choose partner; women alone must think about it, and change themselves. they are even fighting between themselves who will catch more important man. in present system, women is proud if she catch man with ferrari, and she will refuse homeless man. at anarchist girls, money is not important, but if you are nobody in community, she will rather choose someone who is "more important". I would like that all members of any community are equally important, but I am not woman, so women must think what they do. I know that I don't care for position of woman when I try to find partner.

[Rascolnikova]

has it ever occurred to you that so-called "pick-up artists" are snake oil salesmen? In order to peddle their trade, they need to convince the gullible sheeple that there is such a thing as "female psychology" that is unique, that plays to the prejudices of desperate men, and that reassures them that their problems are solvable by purchasing the $99.99 book on how to impress divorced women.

Believe X about your ex, do Y, and presto you will find happiness.

Give me a break.

QFT

Actually, pick up artists do have enough insight into psychology that they (often) deliver what they promise--which is not lasting happiness. . . more along the lines of "getting laid." It's all about manipulating the emotionally vulnerable.


I think all books should be read in critics way.

No. There is a limited amount of time in one's life--some books don't merit reading at all. You have found them.