Che Shirts

[MadMoney]

Che has become a cultural icon and is on countless items of merchandise. People are making a killing. I personally find it to be very ironic. But what do yall think? Is this good for communism or bad?

Also, Mao merchandise is starting to get hot. Should I invest in that or try to start up a Stalin or Marx t-shirt company?

[Mindtoaster]

This site is paid for by che t-shirt sales so... :lol:

Noone wants to wear Stalin on their chest, Marx may sell. I don't think he's seen as a bad person by anyone save fascists and the ruling class.

I don't own or want to own a shirt with anyones face on it for some reason though.

[Kassad]

If it's union-made and you are attempting to promote his ideology, I don't see why not. Noam Chomsky probably makes a pretty penny off of the books he makes. Does that make it wrong? The paper we buy to print flyers makes a corporation money. It's impossible to escape, so we use it to our advantage if it is possible. Now, the little 'rebel' trend of wearing Che shirts is pathetic, but I don't think many of us on here are like that.

[MadMoney]

Noone wants to wear Stalin shirts?
http://www.zazzle.com/stalin_man_of_steel_shirt-235795243540568168

Anyway, I thought you guys would be mad that vendors across the world are raking in dough by turning Che into a product. Do the teenage kids at the mall who think that the Das Kapital is a German rap group upset any of you?

BTW, Noam Chomsky making money is different and I think it misses the point.

[Kassad]

Well, all I'm saying is that we can't group everyone into that group. I have a Che shirt that I got at a rally. Union-made in the United States and I explain things about him on the multitude of occasions I am asked about it. Is that wrong? Like I said, a lot of the things we use come through corporations. It's hard to escape.

Of course, capitalist vendors, random stores and corporations making money off of it is very irritating. The majority of people who buy them are complete morons who have no grasp of revolutionary struggle or imperialism. But in all honesty, I have better things to worry about, such as education, healthcare, wages and class struggle. Things that make a massive impact.

[Mister X]

Noone wants to wear Stalin on their chest,

Speak for yourself. Although a "Trotskyist" I have countless Stalin shirts and I'd be willing to buy some more from the Original Poster.

[Killfacer]

Speak for yourself. Although a "Trotskyist" I have countless Stalin shirts and I'd be willing to buy some more from the Original Poster.

Buy some? How many do you need? Are you going to give them to an orphanage?

[Mister X]

Buy some? How many do you need?

Depends how good many of them I like.



Are you going to give them to an orphanage?

I don't believe in charity. It is bourgeois. That being said I give a cigarette to a homeless person every now and then but charity is bourgeois. We can talk about it if you want in another thread.

[Plagueround]

Of all the problems capitalism has created or exacerbated, I've chosen Che shirts as my number one enemy and will fight it to the death.

[EseSocialistaSurge]

I think its kinda sad how El Che has become the opposite of what he fought for. A man who fights capitalism at its highest becomes the very same instrument they use to make profit. Now the only way I support Che's face on a shirt is if they either 1) Made it or 2) Stole it! Damn Capitalists are trying to sell the Revolucion! And so many people are buying into it. So people. Dont buy your Che shirts. STEAL THEM!

[Schrödinger's Cat]

Depends entirely on who is making the product. Wearing Che shirts without any knowledge of why he's highly regarded (and hated) is pathetic, but a lot of worker cooperatives and independent t-shirt makers produce Che shirts as a slight tip of the hat. There's nothing wrong with that.

A truly free market is socialist, after all. :thumbup1:

[534634634265]

i own lots of things a corporation made to target "edgy hipster leftist kids" or whatever, but i thieved them, which makes me feel better about wearing/owning these said corporate items.

[scarletghoul]

While it is ridiculous that Che has become and icon of nothing in particular and many people who wear his shirt dont know who he is, it is great and extremily useful for the socialist movement to have ordinary people in our countries wearing a picture of a socialist revolutionary! I am sure that many people have been introduced to socialism and the great struggle by Che's ironic iconic image.

A few years ago, when I just discovered socialism, my mum knitted me a Che jumper. Its awesome. I'll post a picture some time

[Killfacer]

Depends how good many of them I like.




I don't believe in charity. It is bourgeois. That being said I give a cigarette to a homeless person every now and then but charity is bourgeois. We can talk about it if you want in another thread.

Feeling fighty are you? Thats the internet equivilent of asking someone if they want to take it out side :lol:

I've seen this argument recently on revleft so i can't be bothered to rehash it. I disagree with you but i'll just leave it there.

[Kassad]

I don't believe in charity. It is bourgeois. That being said I give a cigarette to a homeless person every now and then but charity is bourgeois. We can talk about it if you want in another thread.

Private charity? Yeah, I can see where you're coming from. There's nothing wrong with personal charity though. As people who realize the gravity of the destruction that lingers alongside the capitalist system, we both realize that it can be nearly impossible to get back on your feet if you get dealt a bad hand once and a while. Nothing wrong with being there for your fellow worker.

[Comrade B]

It all depends on who you are giving the money to. Get a shirt from an organization, or from a communist country (A friend in China -not that I think it is communist- sent me a Mao shirt that I am presently wearing). Also, you can also always spray a shirt (A good friend of mine made a Marx shirt, a Che shirt, and a shirt with Jesus walking on water with the sub title Jesus is Sexy(crossed out) cool, and didn't pay for anything but black spray paint which was used for commie shenanigans and some white shirts

[LOLseph Stalin]

Che has become a cultural icon and is on countless items of merchandise. People are making a killing. I personally find it to be very ironic. But what do yall think? Is this good for communism or bad?

Also, Mao merchandise is starting to get hot. Should I invest in that or try to start up a Stalin or Marx t-shirt company?

I saw like two Che shirts at school today alone. I think it's just a merchandise thing. I bet those people wearing don't even know anything about Che.


Do the teenage kids at the mall who think that the Das Kapital is a German rap group upset any of you?

That's sad. -_- I want to hear this new band! Are they any good?

[Orange Juche]

Che has become a cultural icon and is on countless items of merchandise. People are making a killing. I personally find it to be very ironic. But what do yall think? Is this good for communism or bad?

Also, Mao merchandise is starting to get hot. Should I invest in that or try to start up a Stalin or Marx t-shirt company?

In most cases, I would say buying a t-shirt made in a sweatshop by a company with piss poor labor standards is not only hypocritical, but a slap in the face to the person whose image is presented. This is bad for communism because it turns ideology into consumer cult products, and to a degree dilutes the value of these ideologies on the general eye of society.

Buy US or other first world (a country with some labor standards, at least, compared to Taiwan or such) shirts, try to get union, and screen print them yourself. It sounds like a really cool idea to start up something to provide shirts to others.

There is one corporate shirt I saw that I liked - A picture of Mao smiling, and under it, just says "LMAO" hahahaha

[#FF0000]

Do the teenage kids at the mall who think that the Das Kapital is a German rap group upset any of you?

Not me, but it does give me a really good idea...

[MamboTango]

Totally agree. I think alot of people are being introduced to Communism because of the Che shirts. After watching Motorcycle diaries I became very interested in Che, did a LITTLE research and decided to buy the shirt. A few years later (this year) I watched the new Che movie with Benicio del Toro which made me fall even more in love with Che so I read the Motorcycle Diaries book and did much more research and I now wear the t-shirt proudly. It also made me want to learn more about communism which is why I am here. Che introduced me to communism :)....although I'm not communist, I appreciate what it tries to do.

[Invincible Summer]

Although I'm an anarchist, I have respect for Che as a revolutionary... although, he was a homophobe.

Anyways...

I think the problem with Communism entering into consumerism now is that it's become a "kitsch" thing, where people wear it for the "ironic" or "tongue-in-cheek" factor. People won't necessarily be inclined to learn more about Communism, but rather they'll see it as something to not take seriously.

[Robespierre2.0]

I have a Stalin shirt.
It was probably made by a big corporation. I don't give a fuck. I'm not some petit-bourgeois who thinks you can meaningfully change the system by boycotting 'bad companies'. I just like wearing my politics on my sleeve.

[Bud Struggle]

Check out the "footer" in this video. (The video itself is "off topic.")

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCzbNkyXO50&eurl=http://www.revleft.com/vb/reactionary-chatter-iii-t92775/index19.html

[Schrödinger's Cat]

i own lots of things a corporation made to target "edgy hipster leftist kids" or whatever, but i thieved them, which makes me feel better about wearing/owning these said corporate items.

Thieving from a corporation makes about as much sense as stealing a dollar out of a Wal-mart employee's pocket. Instead, protest. Organize.

[Conquer or Die]

I've bought a Lenin T-shirt before from a shop in Venice Beach. I did it for shock factor and confrontation: selfish motivations for personal masturbation that occur all too infrequently. Che's image has value for these situations and rebellions against thrust privilege. So long as the wearers don't kid themselves into thinking they are revolutionary. (Like Ron "The moneybomber" Paultard did)

[StalinFanboy]

If it's union-made and you are attempting to promote his ideology, I don't see why not. Noam Chomsky probably makes a pretty penny off of the books he makes. Does that make it wrong? The paper we buy to print flyers makes a corporation money. It's impossible to escape, so we use it to our advantage if it is possible. Now, the little 'rebel' trend of wearing Che shirts is pathetic, but I don't think many of us on here are like that.
You buy paper for your flyers?

[Kassad]

You buy paper for your flyers?

Um, you have to print them off the computer?

[Das war einmal]

I bought a Che shirt in the museum of revolution in Havana :cool:

[Das war einmal]

This site is paid for by che t-shirt sales so... :lol:

Noone wants to wear Stalin on their chest, Marx may sell. I don't think he's seen as a bad person by anyone save fascists and the ruling class.

I don't own or want to own a shirt with anyones face on it for some reason though.

They sold Stalin shirts at that socialist apparel site before, but they removed it from their stock, aswell as a RAF shirt and a Chernobyl (that made the least sense of all) shirt.

[Circle E Society]

Not me, but it does give me a really good idea...
I'm in!:laugh:

[DaughterJones]

The unfortunate reality is the majority of the kids parading around in Che t-shirts have no political ideology and they couldn't care less. They just think they look cool and Che's look is powerful and dare I say it cool. If Noam Chomsky or Howard Zinn's old asses were on a t-shirt I doubt kids would be buying it provided the cool kid at school buys one thinking its funny or ironic to wear a shirt with old guys on it. The problem with making a trend of ideology is that trends change and people tend to get tired of the trend as they mature because they associate it with their childhood and immaturity. When I was in about 5th grade every kid in my school was running around with anarchy patches on their bags and jackets and unfortunately a few of them thought it was a band. How many of those kids are wearing the patches today? Not many I assure you .

[Revolutionary Youth]

Anou...do you have more flashy colours?

[StalinFanboy]

Thieving from a corporation makes about as much sense as stealing a dollar out of a Wal-mart employee's pocket. Instead, protest. Organize.
It doesn't make sense if you think people steal as a form of protesting. But last time I checked, people steal so they can get shit, and not have to spend money on it.

[StalinFanboy]

Um, you have to print them off the computer?
But you pay for the paper?

[Kassad]

But you pay for the paper?

Unless you can think of a better way. I'm not going to risk getting arrested, fined and charged for theft for a massive stack of paper that costs $5.

[Invincible Summer]

Unless you can think of a better way. I'm not going to risk getting arrested, fined and charged for theft for a massive stack of paper that costs $5.


Agreed. It just makes you look like a goddamned idiot.

I mean, even homeless people steal things that are at least worth something or have some sort of value. But paper? Cmon...

[Robert]

I have a Stalin shirt.Why don't you get a nice Pol Pot shirt to go with it?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/c0/Pol_Pot2.jpg

[Wraith]

How funny that some people here were introduced to communism by the image of a mass murderer that killed hundreds of his fellow countrymen without other reason that of being "counter-revolutionaries" and supported a socialist totalitarian regime........... all in the name of a failed (and pretty stupid) ideology.

It kinds of tell you about the mental instability inherent in the socialist mind.

PD: What about a Kim Il Sung T-shirt? :rolleyes:

[Revolutionary Youth]

PD: What about a Kim Il Sung T-shirt? :rolleyes:
Workin on it.

It kinds of tell you about the mental instability inherent in the socialist mind.Don't worry, we all have "insane consciousness"!:rolleyes:

[JKP]

Che shirts are endorsed by the Cuban government:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Q9KgeCDdOo

[synthesis]

Che Guevara was a dedicated revolutionary. Anyone who knows about his post-Cuba adventures cannot help but to be impressed by his dedication to revolution. The problem is when people in the modern day take the revolution and leave the socialism. They "pick and choose."

[Wraith]

Che Guevara was a dedicated revolutionary. Anyone who knows about his post-Cuba adventures cannot help but to be impressed by his dedication to revolution

Im impressed by the people that he killed without mercy


The problem is when people in the modern day take the revolution and leave the socialism. They "pick and choose."

Can you blame them?
No reasonably intelligent person would be stupid enough to believe that socialist bullshit :lol:

[Robert]

No reasonably intelligent person would be stupid enough(Cough, cough.) Take it easy, dude. They're intelligent. Check separate thread on Libertarianism and get down wid yo bad self over there. Please.

[Dagoth Ur]

Che shirts are repugnant in every way. They are worn by misfits, and bourgeois "rebels". The next three times you see a person wearing a Che shirt ask them some questions about him. Chances are very good they barely know his last name if they know anything at all.

[Bud Struggle]

Che shirts? Che's a spokesmodel for just about everything!

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y43/MercutioTomK/1039004-3-ches-lovin-it-1.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y43/MercutioTomK/2111430567_e7af812860_m-3.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y43/MercutioTomK/2112208942_17732f6fc4_m-2.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y43/MercutioTomK/2112913837_89f30d5972_m-1.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y43/MercutioTomK/2112914163_764b6754aa_m-3.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y43/MercutioTomK/2113732670_c6b8c9e669_m-1.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y43/MercutioTomK/2113883996_54ea4e9eb4_m.jpg

I would guess that now adays Che is more an icon of the Bourgeoise than of the Proletariat.

There's a good deal of the "Borg" in the Bourgeois--"You will be assimilated! " "Resistance is Futile!" :D

[Plagueround]

Im impressed by the people that he killed without mercy

Pssh Che is responsible for less deaths than any American president. Well, except for Barack, but he's already hit the ground running, I'm sure he'll catch up in no time. I don't condone everything Che did, but lets stop with the "ESSENCE OF PURE EVIL" drama and be intelligent about things


Can you blame them?
No reasonably intelligent person would be stupid enough to believe that socialist bullshit :lol:

Hmmm...you're not really here to say anything of substance, you don't appear to be debating or promoting your views intelligently, you come off as just another mean spirited lonely e-thug right winger libertarian. Why are you here? If it's simply to troll, we can relieve you of that burden. Just let me know.

[Plagueround]

There's a good deal of the "Borg" in the Bourgeois--"You will be assimilated! " "Resistance is Futile!" :D

Indeed. What would you expect from a system where freedom itself has a price tag?

[Merces]

Sometimes capitalism devours everything- even its worst enemies.

[RGacky3]

Generally, in my experience people who wear their morality or ideology on a shirt can't really be taken seriously.

[Robespierre2.0]

Why don't you get a nice Pol Pot shirt to go with it?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/c0/Pol_Pot2.jpg

Sorry, I'm not a big fan of Agrarian Nationalism.

By the way, you're a **** for comparing Stalin to Pol Pot.

[Bud Struggle]

By the way, you're a **** for comparing Stalin to Pol Pot.

Indeed. Pol Pot was an amateur compared to Stalin when it came to killing his own people. :D

[Robespierre2.0]

Indeed. Pol Pot was an amateur compared to Stalin when it came to killing his own people. :D

Would you care to back that statement up? Yes, people died in the USSR, but what we hear is a gross exaggeration; some innocents died, unfortunately, due to problems with bureaucrats maintaining proper party discipline, but for the most part, it was capitalists and counterrevolutionaries (people who deserved it) who were targeted.

The 'totalitarian' paradigm, that assumes from the start that all Stalin did was bully his people doesn't hold up in front of the facts.

Now for Cambodia, you can find tons of pictures of skulls and severed heads, and there are many accounts of individuals who survived the Khmer Rouge era.

For Soviet Russia, we have a few grainy pictures of watch towers and starving people of indeterminate origin. Even when personal accounts are cited by western authors, it's always some fascist collaborator or exiled monarchist spewing bullshit slander.

[Bud Struggle]

Would you care to back that statement up?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Purge

[Invincible Summer]

Generally, in my experience people who wear their morality or ideology on a shirt can't really be taken seriously.

But people who like to wear meaningless "designer brands" on their shirt can?

[RGacky3]

But people who like to wear meaningless "designer brands" on their shirt can?

They arn't making a political statement with their "designer brands" are they, they are trying to look good or trendy or whatever, whether or not you think they look good or trendy is different then taking a political statement seriously.

[Jazzratt]

Che shirts are repugnant in every way. They are worn by misfits, and bourgeois "rebels". The next three times you see a person wearing a Che shirt ask them some questions about him. Chances are very good they barely know his last name if they know anything at all.

I own a Che shirt. I got it years ago (along with a hammer and sickle shirt) when I was well into Leninism. I daresay if you ever appraoch me with the expectation that I don't know anything about the good doctor or about class struggle in general you'd be in for a shock. I don't know if you can say the same for everyone who owns one but immediatly assuming they know nothing, politically, by the shirt (or indeed what class they are [Bourgeois? Really? Che-shirts are flogged for around a fiver]) makes you a ****.


Generally, in my experience people who wear their morality or ideology on a shirt can't really be taken seriously.

Why?

I personally think it's no different from various other slogans or the like which people wear. Just as wearing one of those "mace makes me horny" shirts indicates you're a misogynistic twat and therefore other misogynistic twats are likely to enjoy your company but women aren't so too does wearing, say, an IWW hoody indicate that you're a leftist and other leftists will enjoy your company but right wing douchenozzles will not.

[RGacky3]

I daresay if you ever appraoch me with the expectation that I don't know anything about the good doctor or about class struggle in general you'd be in for a shock. I don't know if you can say the same for everyone who owns one but immediatly assuming they know nothing, politically, by the shirt (or indeed what class they are [Bourgeois? Really? Che-shirts are flogged for around a fiver]) makes you a ****.

Just my experience :).


I personally think it's no different from various other slogans or the like which people wear. Just as wearing one of those "mace makes me horny" shirts indicates you're a misogynistic twat and therefore other misogynistic twats are likely to enjoy your company but women aren't so too does wearing, say, an IWW hoody indicate that you're a leftist and other leftists will enjoy your company but right wing douchenozzles will not.

Maybe, like I said, a t-shirt "mace makes me horny" is'nt supposed to be serious its suppose to be funny/offensive.

Also if I see a guy thats a leftist does'nt mean I'll enjoy his company, his personality will.

[Jazzratt]

Maybe, like I said, a t-shirt "mace makes me horny" is'nt supposed to be serious its suppose to be funny/offensive.

So what?


Also if I see a guy thats a leftist does'nt mean I'll enjoy his company, his personality will.I generally enjoy the company of leftists because it doesn't involve long and shitty arguments with people who believe in capitalistic, racist or sexist things - a plus in my book. Also it's reassuring that one can see people who support the cause and can still see them doing so openly.

Whatever though, anyone who gives as much of a shit about t-shirts (for fuck's sake, t-shirts?!) as you is a ****.

[534634634265]

They arn't making a political statement with their "designer brands" are they, they are trying to look good or trendy or whatever, whether or not you think they look good or trendy is different then taking a political statement seriously.

better to make a political statement with my "leftist" shirts, than to tacitly support globalization, sweatshops, and exploitation with "trendy fuck" fashion.

[Merces]

I guess if one were to beleive in hell. Che must be in the suburbs with everyone wearing his shirts.

[Blackscare]

If I were a capitalist, I'd see the branding of Che as a victory.

If I were an authoritarian communist, I'd see it as an insult.

As a libertarian communist, I just don't care.

It is a bit silly, but my only real gripe with it is that "self expression" these days has come to mean what statement you buy from a store. People decide what they want to be known as or what images to associate themselves with and go out and buy the proper uniform. I'm no crimethinc situationist (those people are just idlers and they make me sick with their pointless fashion...erm I mean social statements) but I do think people should stop with the crazy consumerism and make/modify clothes to their own tastes. A patch here, a little sharpie or airbrushing there, and you've got some cool pieces of clothing you can be proud of. Might lead to a more artistic culture, or at the least give me something more interesting to look at while walking down the street.

I'm practical though, I buy my clothes (besides socks and underwear) from salvation army because they're cheap and still good (and you can find some crazy shit if you look hard enough). Sometimes I treat myself to some military surplus stuff or a new coat (shit, I hate freezing and I'm very particular about my overgarments lol).

But yea, fuck branding. I wouldn't even wear a Che shirt made by a worker's collective because he's become like a band that isn't bad in it's own right but is made shitty by over exposure and lame ass hordes of fans *cough*nirvana*cough* (in this case, dingleberries who wear his face without a clue what he stood for).

I know, angsty anti-mainstream teenagers blahh blahh :D Like I said, I don't care much either way, just musing on the way we make a cult out of anything enough people agree is cool.

[Blackscare]

Just as wearing one of those "mace makes me horny" shirts indicates you're a misogynistic twat and therefore other misogynistic twats are likely to enjoy your company but women aren't

NOTE: The following rant is based on a misunderstanding, but I still think it's useful so I kept it up.

How is that misogynistic? So it's bad if a man wears that, but what if a woman wears it? I guess it's "liberating" or something.

This is one of the things that makes me enjoy the company of people who aren't fellow leftists sometimes. This is because some leftists, like you, are a bunch of brainwashed dweebs that think that any man who expresses sexuality is evil while any woman who does is somehow better. It's not bad if anyone expresses themselves sexually as long as it's not at the expense of anyone else. Misogyny is the subjection of women to the sexual domination of men in society, that shirt has nothing to do with it.

HERE lies my fuck up.
***Plus (DUH!) the reference is secondary to the point of the shirt. It's just there as sort of a smart ass (fill in your own word, I went with smart ass) way of saying you like to protest. There are way better slogans you could have mentioned to prove your point.***

And the funny (and ironic, get to that in a bit) thing is that you do what a lot of people online do (and it is SO obnoxious), you overuse a select few curse words (in this case, **** and twat) until they lack any effectiveness. First the words lose their impact, then you just look stupid like you have some kind of catch phrase ("that makes you a ****!"© Jazzrat 2009). Anyway, that's it's own rant.

The ironic/hysterical (in a crying sort of way) part is that you're apparently a sexism nazi and you use derogatory references to female genitalia as an insult towards people. Now, sexual slogans may or may not be meant to be hateful and have a level of ambiguity to them, but I bet you know well enough to avoid calling someone you know to be a woman (on here or anywhere else) a **** or TWAT, right? But you continue to use an anatomical feature of a female to denigrate men. If I was a woman, that would be no less insulting. I mean, you find something that I (as a woman for the sake of argument) posses so abhorrent that it's fitting to use as a catchall phrase for bad people (over and over again).

If you're going to take such a stupidly strict stance on any sexual references in the name of equality or anti misogyny or whatever, at least be consistent. Or you could stop being uptight.

Vaginas are a lot like the women that they're attached to, beautiful and worthy of respect. That and you should always count yourself lucky to have the attention of either.


BIGGER NOTE:

JUST realized that the mace in reference was supposed to be self defense mace, not from police. That changes most of what I said. Didn't take it down though because there are people who use double standards like I described. And because it is still oversensitivity to a joke. AND because you're still a hypocrite. But, I did base that whole rant on false pretenses, so I'm saying sorry.:D

[Jazzratt]

better to make a political statement with my "leftist" shirts, than to tacitly support globalization, sweatshops, and exploitation with "trendy fuck" fashion.

Your leftist shirts are still made with the labour of the working class. Just so you know.

[Robert]

Vaginas are a lot like the women that they're attached to, beautiful and worthy of respect. Well, not everyone is in a position to know this first hand. (Cough)

[RGacky3]

So what?

There we go.


Whatever though, anyone who gives as much of a shit about t-shirts (for fuck's sake, t-shirts?!) as you is a ****.

Your the one arguing with me homeboy :P. I just said I don't take the seriously.


If you're going to take such a stupidly strict stance on any sexual references in the name of equality or anti misogyny or whatever, at least be consistent. Or you could stop being uptight.


I have to agree, uptight people be them feminists, leftists, patriots, religious people, whatever, are annoying and pointless. People like Jazzratt go around accusing people of mysogony so freely and over so many things it looses its meaning.


Vaginas are a lot like the women that they're attached to, beautiful and worthy of respect. That and you should always count yourself lucky to have the attention of either.

Some are ugly, and some women are ugly and not worthy of respect, the same as men.

[ZeroNowhere]

They are worn by misfits
So now there's something wrong with misfits? Hell, they were an awesome band too.

[Jazzratt]

NOTE: The following rant is based on a misunderstanding, but I still think it's useful so I kept it up.

Shame, really.


How is that misogynistic? So it's bad if a man wears that, but what if a woman wears it? I guess it's "liberating" or something.

The kind of people that wear it are moronic sexists, that's what's wrong with it. Most people don't feel the need to wander around broadcasting how funny they think rape is.


This is one of the things that makes me enjoy the company of people who aren't fellow leftists sometimes.

What's this "fellow" bollocks?


This is because some leftists, like you, are a bunch of brainwashed dweebs that think that any man who expresses sexuality is evil while any woman who does is somehow better.

I really don't give a fuck if you want to express your sexuality and I have no idea where I got the idea that I do?


It's not bad if anyone expresses themselves sexually as long as it's not at the expense of anyone else. Misogyny is the subjection of women to the sexual domination of men in society, that shirt has nothing to do with it.

You've already pointed out that you were wrong here so it'd be somewhat superfluous for me to do so.


And the funny (and ironic, get to that in a bit) thing is that you do what a lot of people online do (and it is SO obnoxious), you overuse a select few curse words (in this case, **** and twat) until they lack any effectiveness.

I really don't care if anyone is "affected" by my swearing at them, the "effectiveness" of swearing really isn't why I do it. I tend to write how I talk, which means I will probably overuse "wanker", "tosser", "****", "twat", "shitheap" and so on. Then again I don't really have to justify my word choices to you, so up yours dickhole.


First the words lose their impact, then you just look stupid like you have some kind of catch phrase ("that makes you a ****!"© Jazzrat 2009). Anyway, that's it's own rant.

Oh just fuck off you pretentious cumsmear.


The ironic/hysterical (in a crying sort of way) part is that you're apparently a sexism nazi and you use derogatory references to female genitalia as an insult towards people.

Oh for fuck's sake. Not this bollocks. I've had the argument four or five times before.


Now, sexual slogans may or may not be meant to be hateful and have a level of ambiguity to them, but I bet you know well enough to avoid calling someone you know to be a woman (on here or anywhere else) a **** or TWAT, right? But you continue to use an anatomical feature of a female to denigrate men. If I was a woman, that would be no less insulting. I mean, you find something that I (as a woman for the sake of argument) posses so abhorrent that it's fitting to use as a catchall phrase for bad people (over and over again).

Go play in traffic, bellend. I'm not interested in having this discussion with you, if you really are interested in whether or not the word should be considered sexist you could do a search in this forum and in discrimination, any one of the 13 (I think) threads dealing with it should bee enough.

[RGacky3]

The kind of people that wear it are moronic sexists, that's what's wrong with it. Most people don't feel the need to wander around broadcasting how funny they think rape is.

Man you must be blast to drink with.

[Jazzratt]

Man you must be blast to drink with.

No. I'm all serious, all the time. I don't even drink. :rolleyes:

[Bud Struggle]

No. I'm all serious, all the time. I don't even drink. :rolleyes:

Actually, Jazz, your posts are always delightfully funny. I always enjoy reading them--I'm mean you're not Holden Caufield by any streach of the imagenation--but you are really funny! :laugh:

[Invincible Summer]

They arn't making a political statement with their "designer brands" are they, they are trying to look good or trendy or whatever, whether or not you think they look good or trendy is different then taking a political statement seriously.


People buying into that whole (Red) campaign, as well as similar campaigns would be making political statements.

Anyways, my point is that people who buy into the value of a name that is screen-printed onto a shirt usually cannot be taken seriously.

[Kassad]

Well, my Che shirt is from the A.N.S.W.E.R. Coalition, so it's supporting them and spreading the name of a revolutionary organization. I don't see the problem.

[Bud Struggle]

Well, my Che shirt is from the A.N.S.W.E.R. Coalition, so it's supporting them and spreading the name of a revolutionary organization. I don't see the problem.

I bought my Che shirt from a vendor in Cuba when I was ther two years ago. I'm supporting the Revolution, too! :thumbup1:

Unfortunately I'm seem to have "outgrown" it a bit. :(

[last_angry_man]

I wanna know why 'Uncle Ho" merch is so hard to find? He's the one 'red' leader who actually kicked US Imperialist ass and he should be head and shoulders above the usual t-shirt icons, who may have dreamed larger, but achieved less.

I realize that here in SoCal, with its huge population of South Vietnamese refugees (traitors to their homeland, lackeys to the running dog American imperialists....) I might be assaulted on a daily basis for wearing any 'Ho' gear, but no one said fashion is for the meek.

personally, I would pay top dollar for an Uncle Ho shirt, particularly if it said something witty, like "I kicked America's ass!"

So why has capitalism failed me, where's my shirt?

[Vahanian]

I have a uncle ho shirt:cool:

my bro got it for me when he was in vietnam and it is one of my favorites:)

[Jazzratt]

personally, I would pay top dollar for an Uncle Ho shirt, particularly if it said something witty, like "I kicked America's ass!"


Your definition of 'witty' is a little odd.


I think Ho Chi Winh (c wut i did thar) is less popular as a t-shirt icon precisely because he did kick America's arse. Che is much more useful as an icon because when the person wearing the shirt (or using the lighter, or hanging up the poster or whatever) looks him up they'll see he ultimately failed; the underlying message being that any attempt to change the world ends with a bullet in the brainpan.


I'm sure you can get an Uncle Ho stencil and some fabric paints.