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skki
2nd January 2009, 05:50
I used to troll the White Pride IRC network fairly regularly (irc.wpirc.net Pop by and say hello). Thought It might be interesting to see how riled I could get them in a genuine(ish) debate. It ended up descending into an incomprehensible, but rather amusing, clusterfuck of white pride slogans and racial slurs. This is how Nazis react to losing a debate. I must make a point to do this more often. Notice how they insist on civility, then observe my exit from the IRC. Apparently Nazis don't get irony. Apologies for the wall of text.

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04:49 <@OrderOfTheDragon> hello Johnny
04:49 < Johnny> hello there
04:50 <@OrderOfTheDragon> you wouldnt happen to have blue eyes would you
04:50 <@OrderOfTheDragon> ?
04:50 < Johnny> nope
04:51 < Johnny> I'm curious
04:51 <@OrderOfTheDragon> about?
04:51 < Johnny> How do you react to non white-nationalists coming in here and asking a few questions?
04:51 <+commiekiller> that be intresting
04:51 -!- OrderOfTheDragon changed the topic of #whitepride to: White revolution is the only solution | Main page: www.wpirc.net (http://www.wpirc.net) | Tonight's Topic: 2009...The year of the Monkey
04:51 <+commiekiller> cant recall ever seeing such a thing in here
04:52 <@OrderOfTheDragon> Johnny> How do you react to non white-nationalists coming in here and asking a few questions?
04:52 < Johnny> just wondering how you would rationalize a few things
04:52 <@OrderOfTheDragon> if you can act civilized
04:52 < Johnny> i'll be civilized
04:52 < Johnny> firstly
04:52 <@OrderOfTheDragon> most act like sub humans and thus are quickly banned
04:52 <@OrderOfTheDragon> we will see how long you hold out
04:52 <+haiden> Order remember that mexicon guy who came here?
04:52 <@OrderOfTheDragon> lol
04:52 < Johnny> i've spent enough time around white-nationalists to act civilized
04:53 <+haiden> who took pics of himself and said i will be good warrior
04:53 < Johnny> first, what exactly is the general view on jews in here?
04:53 <@OrderOfTheDragon> well
04:53 <@OrderOfTheDragon> i will only speak for myself
04:53 <+commiekiller> jews are assholes
04:53 <+speakeroftruth> I hope everyone had a good new years and christmas
04:54 < Johnny> naturally assholes?
04:54 <@OrderOfTheDragon> but i think they are parasites and should be wiped off the earth
04:54 <+speakeroftruth> here here!! i second that Order
04:54 <+commiekiller> a wanna be race of everything mixed together who think of themselves as gods chosen to rule over all other races
04:54 < Johnny> so naturally assholes, yes?
04:54 <+Brian> again, i dont want to wipe anyone off the earth
04:54 <+haiden> I havent seen even one jew in my life so its hard to say
04:54 <+speakeroftruth> really they are a arogant bunch of people that believe they are entitled to everything of monetary value or any sort of value really
04:54 <+Brian> but i belive thry should be driven to near extinction and the rest put into zoos for us to study and be amused by
04:55 <+commiekiller> lol
04:55 <@OrderOfTheDragon> i didnt say I wanted to Brian, i said they should
04:55 <@OrderOfTheDragon> i dont want to kill anyone, im a nice guy, but shit happens and things have to be done
04:55 <+Brian> exactly
04:55 < Johnny> alright
04:55 <+commiekiller> i want them all to live in madagascar and expirience multi-culturalism and forced miscegenation
04:55 <+speakeroftruth> haha how ironic commiekiller
04:55 <+Brian> lol
04:55 <+speakeroftruth> they would probably try and end up controling the natives there as well
04:56 <+Brian> and that leads back to the zoo solution
04:56 < Johnny> but isnt everyone into multi-culturalism these days?
04:56 <+commiekiller> yes but they get darker
04:56 <+speakeroftruth> id love to put them in the heart of africa and tell the africans these race of people are witches haha :)
04:56 < Johnny> you cant pinpoint the jews as particularly in favour of it
04:56 < Johnny> surely
04:56 <@OrderOfTheDragon> depends on your definition of multi culturalism
04:56 <+haiden> Johnny 49% Finnish people are against Multi-culturalism
04:56 <@OrderOfTheDragon> jews dont favor multi culturalism for themselves
04:56 <@OrderOfTheDragon> they favor it for us goyim
04:56 <+commiekiller> oh hell no
04:56 <@OrderOfTheDragon> as it destroys us
04:57 <+commiekiller> take a look at gaza and the w.bank right now
04:57 <@OrderOfTheDragon> the jews are the most racially motivated and conscious people on earth
04:57 < Johnny> well not all jews support israel eh
04:57 <+speakeroftruth> yep they only believe "what is good for the jews"
04:57 < Johnny> my grandfather, for example
04:57 <+speakeroftruth> we whites used to think this way but no longer
04:57 < Johnny> hates israel
04:57 <+commiekiller> not all whites are self-hating dickshits either
04:57 < Johnny> well theres the thing
04:57 <+speakeroftruth> it doesnt matter if a jew likes or dislikes israel
04:57 <+commiekiller> i would have no problem with israel if it wernt for what the rest of the tribe does in our lands to us
04:58 < Johnny> i thought all jews were dicks
04:58 <+commiekiller> hell, i might even support it
04:58 <+speakeroftruth> israel was meant for all jews on earth to go there and live to get the hell out of our countries
04:58 < Johnny> yet my grandfatheer fits none of the stereotypes
04:58 <+commiekiller> but its a doublestandard that makes me wish its death
04:58 <@OrderOfTheDragon> lol
04:58 <@OrderOfTheDragon> im sure i could find plenty
04:58 <+speakeroftruth> i dont get why the jews whined for centuries upon centures upon centuries for a land of their own
04:58 <+speakeroftruth> and now that they finally have one
04:58 <+haiden> Its not about stereotypes its about genes
04:58 <+speakeroftruth> they dont want to move there
04:59 <@OrderOfTheDragon> exactly haiden
04:59 < Johnny> well your ancestors cant speak for you can they?
04:59 <@OrderOfTheDragon> that is why no one is ever fully exempt from stereotypes
04:59 <+commiekiller> i just think how prominent jews were in the destruction of apartheid south africa
04:59 <+commiekiller> at every level
04:59 < Johnny> and jews dont have it as bad as they used to
04:59 <+commiekiller> yet practicing the same thing in israel to this day
04:59 <@OrderOfTheDragon> right
04:59 <@OrderOfTheDragon> theyve brainwashed the modern idiot into thinking they are harmless
04:59 <+speakeroftruth> nobody has given the jews a punch in the face since the 40's
04:59 <@OrderOfTheDragon> there is a reason why you kikes were kicked out of every nation you settled in
05:00 <+commiekiller> at least once
05:00 <+commiekiller> lol
05:00 < Johnny> So is my grandfather just exempt from the negative parts of the jewish gene?
05:00 <+commiekiller> might be
05:00 <+haiden> Johnny watch Japaneses and Chineses. Japaneses are more inteligented and they are bond with there culture. Chineseses are more stupid and more mixed genes.
05:00 <+commiekiller> not all jews are alike
05:00 <+commiekiller> just like anyone else
05:00 <@OrderOfTheDragon> your view of your grandfather is probably pretty biased
05:00 <+speakeroftruth> there are poor jews and rich jews
05:01 <@OrderOfTheDragon> im sure i could point him out as the jew rat which he, and all of you, are
05:01 <+commiekiller> but the general attitude of the tribe i dont like
05:01 < Johnny> he isnt selfish, he's the most fundamentally anti-zionist ive ever met
05:01 <+speakeroftruth> both think the same way "what is good for my people"
05:01 < Johnny> he's a doctor yet always voted to redistribute his income
05:01 <+commiekiller> voted**
05:01 <+commiekiller> ???
05:01 <@OrderOfTheDragon> jewish stereotype
05:01 <+commiekiller> voted for HIS income?
05:01 <+speakeroftruth> that sound like communism johnny
05:01 < Johnny> he voted communist for a while
05:01 <@OrderOfTheDragon> end of discussion
05:01 <@OrderOfTheDragon> another one
05:01 < Johnny> then labour socialism
05:01 <+commiekiller> how did he 'vote' to share HIS paycheck?
05:01 <@OrderOfTheDragon> lets see with have a commie doctor
05:02 <@OrderOfTheDragon> pretty jewish to me
05:02 < Johnny> he hasnt been a communist for more than half a century
05:02 <+speakeroftruth> isnt it stated in the talmud you jews cannot cure a gentile
05:02 < Johnny> im not a jew
05:02 <+speakeroftruth> no wonder why you prescribe pills for everything
05:02 <@OrderOfTheDragon> yes you are
05:02 <+haiden> Order soviet union communism and jews dont have nothing same
05:02 <@OrderOfTheDragon> unless you were adopted
05:02 < Johnny> he is my only jewish relative
05:02 <@OrderOfTheDragon> then you are jewish
05:02 <+speakeroftruth> how are you not a jew if your grandfather is a jew?
05:02 < Johnny> hitler had a jewish grandmother
05:02 <+haiden> Soviet union had same death camps at Siperia what Germans had in poland
05:03 <@OrderOfTheDragon> lets see some facts on that as opposed to speculation
05:03 <+haiden> johnny wait
05:03 < Johnny> was hitler a jew?
05:03 <+haiden> i can show you hes family tree
05:03 <+speakeroftruth> oh yeah hitler was a martian i heard
05:03 <@OrderOfTheDragon> i heard hitler was gay
05:03 <@OrderOfTheDragon> i heard he raped women
05:03 <+commiekiller> but not one synogogue destroied in russia
05:03 <@OrderOfTheDragon> i heard he was a midget
05:03 <@OrderOfTheDragon> see how easy that is
05:03 <@OrderOfTheDragon> haiden> Order soviet union communism and jews dont have nothing same
05:03 <@OrderOfTheDragon> haiden yes they do
05:03 < Johnny> Hitler bulldozed an entire village to hide his ancestory
05:03 <+commiekiller> worst stalin did to religious jews was prohibit their children from attending jewish school until they were 18
05:03 <+haiden> http://history1900s.about.com/library/holocaust/nhitanc.htm
05:04 < Johnny> I did this last year at A level
05:04 < Johnny> this is fact
05:04 <+commiekiller> stalin himself of jewish descent
05:04 <+speakeroftruth> stalin destroyed a entire city because of his past lol
05:04 <@OrderOfTheDragon> fact written by who exactly?
05:04 < Johnny> Stalin was probably a bigger dick than Hitler
05:04 <+haiden> Johnny he hated hes father
05:04 < Johnny> Historians
05:04 <+commiekiller> new age judaism, the doctrines of marx and engels
05:04 <@OrderOfTheDragon> i suppose it was just like the fact that the sun revolved around the earth right?
05:04 <@OrderOfTheDragon> that was scientific fact
05:04 <+commiekiller> a new modern day version of the mishna
05:04 <@OrderOfTheDragon> those who are in power write history
05:05 < Johnny> we dont live in the dark ages any more
05:05 <@OrderOfTheDragon> and luckily for you, the kikes won out
05:05 <+speakeroftruth> haha no we live in the INFORMATION DARK AGE
05:05 <+speakeroftruth> only what you are supposed to see is shown
05:05 < Johnny> im pretty sure we can accuratley locate historical data nowadays
05:05 <@OrderOfTheDragon> that is not my point
05:05 < Johnny> especally an entire villiage gone missing
05:05 <@OrderOfTheDragon> of course we can
05:05 <+haiden> He didnt want hide hes ancestry because of jew genes he made it to Military camp because he was shamed about being poor at child and that hes father beat him
05:05 <@OrderOfTheDragon> it is a matter of presenting it
05:05 <@OrderOfTheDragon> we could accurately show the earth revolved around the sun
05:06 <@OrderOfTheDragon> the people in power didnt want that
05:06 <@OrderOfTheDragon> so it didnt happen
05:06 < Johnny> Alright
05:06 < Johnny> http://lloydthomas.org/1-IsraelTimeLine/7-1930-1999/hitler.html
05:06 < Johnny> heres lots and lots of evidence
05:06 <+speakeroftruth> evidence is only as good as the people who back it and write it
05:07 <@OrderOfTheDragon> "most probably"
05:07 <@OrderOfTheDragon> anything past that point is speculation
05:07 <@OrderOfTheDragon> and worthless
05:07 <@OrderOfTheDragon> not probably
05:07 <@OrderOfTheDragon> not maybe
05:07 <@OrderOfTheDragon> for a fact to be true it has to be fact
05:07 <+speakeroftruth> you have to to think who gains from this information
05:07 <+speakeroftruth> true Order true
05:07 <@OrderOfTheDragon> and all ive seen is speculation thus far and aims to discredit a great man
05:07 <@OrderOfTheDragon> by the people he sought to destroy
05:07 < Johnny> you're just cutting context away from facts with flimsy conspiracy theories
05:08 <+speakeroftruth> yeah all i've ever heard is "well we THINK that his gradnfather MIGHT be a jew"
05:08 <@OrderOfTheDragon> where is anything ive said a conspiracy theory?
05:08 < Johnny> that this evidence was fabricated
05:08 <+commiekiller> i care less
05:08 <@OrderOfTheDragon> no more of a conspiracy than my previous example
05:08 <@OrderOfTheDragon> it is just as likely given the political situation of the last 60 years
05:08 <+speakeroftruth> right johnny dont forget at one point everyone knew the earth was flat
05:09 < Johnny> now you're using creationist logic
05:09 < Johnny> we have scientific methods now
05:09 < Johnny> we can date manuscripts
05:09 <+speakeroftruth> and romans didnt?
05:09 < Johnny> we can check them for authenticity
05:09 <@OrderOfTheDragon> see kike here is the thing
05:09 <@OrderOfTheDragon> we are having a fundamental problem
05:09 <+speakeroftruth> the powers at be just didnt want people going out
05:09 <+commiekiller> so your point
05:09 < Johnny> I'm 75% caucasian
05:10 < Johnny> not a jew
05:10 <@OrderOfTheDragon> no vc
05:10 <@OrderOfTheDragon> your a kike
05:10 <+commiekiller> does hitler make you proud
05:10 <+speakeroftruth> 25% jewish is jewish enough for me
05:10 < Johnny> *You're*
05:10 < Johnny> tell that to hitler
05:10 <+commiekiller> if your grandfather was practicing
05:10 <+commiekiller> then that makes you a mischling
05:10 <+speakeroftruth> yeah i dont get what it is with you jews and your wierd fasanation with hitler
05:10 < Johnny> practicing what?
05:10 <@OrderOfTheDragon> excuse me for not being of the utmost grammatical correctness in a fucking internet chatroom where a loud mouth kike will not let you get his fucking message out
05:10 <+speakeroftruth> fascination*
05:11 <+haiden> Johnny the myth of Hitler jew genes was because his Grandmother was WORKING for jews
05:11 <+haiden> he wasent jew
05:11 <@OrderOfTheDragon> as i was saying
05:11 <@OrderOfTheDragon> it is not a matter of whether something is true or false, it is a matter of who controls the flow of information
05:11 < Johnny> June 7, Alois (Adolph Hitler's father) is born illegitimately from the 42-year-old Maria Schickelgruber, most probably to the 19-year-old heir of the Jewish Frankenberger family of Graz. (Maria had been employed by the Frankenberger family in Graz as a sewing-maid at the time she fell pregnant).
05:11 < Johnny> wrong way around
05:11 <+speakeroftruth> "most probably"
05:11 <@OrderOfTheDragon> again most probably, speculation
05:12 < Johnny> read further
05:12 < Johnny> it gets pretty deep
05:12 <@OrderOfTheDragon> if it was definitive they would has said "was"
05:12 < Johnny> 1 sec
05:12 <+commiekiller> whats your source
05:12 <+commiekiller> and whats his source
05:12 <+commiekiller> what 'historian' discovered this
05:13 <+commiekiller> or did he just plagarize the last 10 'historians'
05:13 < Johnny> http://lloydthomas.org/1-IsraelTimeLine/7-1930-1999/hitler.html
05:13 <+haiden> Alois father was Johann Georg Hiedler
05:13 < Johnny> lloyd thomas
05:13 < Johnny> not a great source
05:13 < Johnny> ill see if i can find a better one
05:13 <+haiden> http://history1900s.about.com/library/holocaust/nhitanc.htm
05:14 <+haiden> Watch that
05:14 <+haiden> That is hes Whole family tree
05:14 <+commiekiller> ah yes history channel bought his crap for awhile but quit airing the program
05:14 <@OrderOfTheDragon> so let me ask
05:14 <@OrderOfTheDragon> what are you trying to prove with any of this ?
05:14 < Johnny> that I'm as jewish as Hitler
05:14 < Johnny> then we can continue without racial bullshit
05:15 <+commiekiller> if i was jewish i would probaly like
05:15 < Johnny> I do think it's pretty funny that you made sure I would be civil when I came in
05:15 <+commiekiller> not tell anybody
05:15 < Johnny> now I'm a kike
05:15 <+speakeroftruth> lol oh how i love it when you jews think all the non-white races will just give up their racial pride
05:15 <+commiekiller> then fuck as many white girls as i could
05:15 < Johnny> civility is a one way street on this irc
05:15 <@OrderOfTheDragon> if hitler was jewish there is still a fundamental difference, he definitely hated you vermin and rightfully wanted you exterminated
05:15 <+haiden> Hitler's grandfather was not Jewish. The standard version of the story focuses on Hitler's paternal grandfather. Hitler's father's mother is said to have worked as a maid for a Jew and there were rumours that Hitler's father was actually the employer's biological child. No evidence for this has ever been found.
05:15 <@OrderOfTheDragon> you come to our house you play by our rules
05:16 < Johnny> dont worry
05:16 < Johnny> i didnt expect civility
05:16 <+speakeroftruth> If hitler was jewish wouldnt that just prove our point jew johnny?
05:16 <@OrderOfTheDragon> if he was a jew, it was most likely in the same way Bobby Fischer was, admirable in a way
05:16 <+speakeroftruth> that you people are violent and lead us into wars
05:16 <+haiden> Hitler's grandfather was not Jewish. The standard version of the story focuses on Hitler's paternal grandfather. Hitler's father's mother is said to have worked as a maid for a Jew and there were rumours that Hitler's father was actually the employer's biological child. No evidence for this has ever been found.
05:16 <+commiekiller> so what, your jewish, get over it
05:16 <+commiekiller> do what you think is right
05:16 <+commiekiller> or wrong
05:16 <+commiekiller> i give shit less
05:16 <@OrderOfTheDragon> you should feel fortunate to even be hear, most other moderators would have banned you from the beginning for being a kike
05:16 * Johnny sighs
05:17 <+Brian> like im tiching to do
05:17 <+commiekiller> lots of jews are anti-zionist
05:17 <+haiden> What's more, according to Kershaw, study of directories of Graz and the like for the 1830s and 1840s doesn't reveal any family called Frankenberger in Graz at all.
05:17 <+commiekiller> anti jew jews
05:17 <+commiekiller> even jewish revisionist
05:17 <+commiekiller> such as david cole
05:17 < Johnny> Noam Chomsky
05:17 <+commiekiller> or norman finkelstein, who's argument is just
05:17 < Johnny> an anti-zionist pacifist anarchist
05:17 < Johnny> seriously
05:17 <+commiekiller> well he is like spinning top
05:17 < Johnny> explain him
05:17 <+Brian> CHOMSKY!? THAT RAT BASTARD?
05:17 <+commiekiller> i not trust spinning top
05:17 < Johnny> yes
05:17 <@OrderOfTheDragon> what about him
05:17 <@OrderOfTheDragon> ?
05:18 < Johnny> 05:17 < Johnny> an anti-zionist pacifist anarchist
05:18 <+commiekiller> he does things to get attention
05:18 <+commiekiller> then changes his opinin
05:18 <@OrderOfTheDragon> ok
05:18 <@OrderOfTheDragon> what am i explaining about him
05:18 <@OrderOfTheDragon> ?
05:18 <+commiekiller> but other than that i not know much of him
05:18 <+speakeroftruth> pacifisct anarchist?? oh yeah sure will accomplish things thinking that way lol
05:18 <+Brian> night all
05:18 <@OrderOfTheDragon> see ya Brian
05:18 <+Brian> have a horrible night kike
05:18 < Johnny> well he has been a thorn in the side of the pro war lobby, the israeli lobby, the jewish capitalists
05:19 < Johnny> doesnt exactly sound typical
05:19 <+speakeroftruth> the jews play the coin on both side
05:19 <@OrderOfTheDragon> good for him
05:19 <+speakeroftruth> sounds typical
05:19 <@OrderOfTheDragon> doesnt make him any less jewish
05:19 < Johnny> sure doesnt
05:19 <+speakeroftruth> jews play both sides
05:19 <+speakeroftruth> its typical
05:19 < Johnny> they play good and evil?
05:19 <@OrderOfTheDragon> exactly speakeroftruth
05:19 <+haiden> Johnny its doesnt matter what he think, how he acts or is he communist
05:19 <+speakeroftruth> i dont trust a anti-zionist jew more then a pro-israeli jew
05:19 <+haiden> He have jew blood in hes veins
05:20 <@OrderOfTheDragon> jewish capitalist funded the jewish commies in russia for their genocide of white russians
05:20 < Johnny> And Chomsky, my Grandfather and I are all socialists
05:20 <+commiekiller> so tell me
05:20 <+commiekiller> what brings you here?
05:21 < Johnny> I always wondered how you people would rationalize my grandfather and chomsky
05:21 < Johnny> not well, apparently
05:21 <+haiden> You can teach monkey to walk, you can teach monkey how drive bike, you can teach monkey to dance and you can teach monkey to drive car. Does this make him human or monkey?
05:21 <+commiekiller> i think they're both lame
05:21 < Johnny> monkey
05:21 < Johnny> you can call jews non-human if you want
05:21 <+commiekiller> i am not
05:21 <+haiden> so it doesnt matter what you father believe he is jew.
05:21 < Johnny> if you really hate biologists that much
05:21 < Johnny> but that doesnt denote evil
05:22 <+speakeroftruth> jew communists in america fought for negro rights and racemixing jew capatalists in america fought for open borders just for financial gain both hurt the white race so it isnt like being a socialst jew or a capatalist jew is anything good both forms bother our race
05:22 <+haiden> Even i start acting like swedish im still Finnish
05:22 <+commiekiller> your just money grubbing bastards who now own the world and are so paranoid about loosing it you care not what destruction you may cause
05:22 < Johnny> I'm an anarchist
05:22 < Johnny> give the world to everyone
05:22 <@OrderOfTheDragon> lol
05:23 <+speakeroftruth> its the jews that are like children not us white men who have balls left
05:23 <+commiekiller> i'me an anarchist too
05:23 <+commiekiller> so since socialism is a form of government
05:23 <+commiekiller> i am opposed to it
05:23 <@OrderOfTheDragon> so you are against all order and law? yea why dont you go hang out with some tribal niggers in africa and see how that works
05:23 < Johnny> Socialism does not require government
05:23 < Johnny> it just requires collectivism
05:23 <+commiekiller> so take your fake PC socialist bullshit and stop calling it anarchy
05:23 <+speakeroftruth> collectivism -aka communism
05:23 <+commiekiller> anarchy means i piss on your menorah
05:23 <@OrderOfTheDragon> a kike who favors anarchy, yea im sure so you can revel in your degeneracy and lack of morals and laws, which have always been laid down by white men
05:24 <+haiden> Johnny have you seen Soviet union? china? Vietnam? North Korea?
05:24 <+commiekiller> and put ham in your sub
05:24 <@OrderOfTheDragon> we are wholly superior
05:24 <@OrderOfTheDragon> now we are through
05:24 < Johnny> nope
05:24 * OrderOfTheDragon throws penny in chat
05:24 <@OrderOfTheDragon> go catch kike
05:24 <+haiden> They all are communist countrys (except soviet union because it crashed down)
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StalinFanboy
2nd January 2009, 06:10
HAHAHAHA Oh my god.

This is my favorite part

<@OrderOfTheDragon> if hitler was jewish there is still a fundamental difference, he definitely hated you vermin and rightfully wanted you exterminated

05:21 <+haiden> so it doesnt matter what you father believe he is jew.

Q
2nd January 2009, 06:31
Nazi's on irc?

Final proof of evolution I say.

Skin_HeadBanger
2nd January 2009, 07:21
wow, I don't know whether to piss myself laughing or be extremely pissed off.

either way, these fucking morons are fucking morons.

don't even know what socialism or anarchy are.

Reclaimed Dasein
2nd January 2009, 09:13
They seemed terribly obnoxious, but what can you really expect? It's funny how basically the Jew functions as the capitalist in their discourse.

duffers
2nd January 2009, 09:24
49% of Finish people are against multi-culturalism! Finland; new assigned centre of the world.

fabiansocialist
2nd January 2009, 09:40
They seemed terribly obnoxious, but what can you really expect? It's funny how basically the Jew functions as the capitalist in their discourse.

It goes a bit deeper. For a Marxist, the capitalist is not the epitome of evil: he's a natural consequence of historical dynamics which has produced the capitalist system and the division into classes one sees today. That is to say, we have some ideology. They have none. The "Jew" serves as the epitome of everything that is wrong. Communism? The Jews' fault. Capitalism? Those money-leeching Jews. How can one engage in a debate with such people, most of whom seem to have an IQ the wrong side of 90? And why would one want to?

Revulero
2nd January 2009, 09:50
hahahaha, i found it hilarious. You made them look pretty stupid :lol:.

Nice job showing them that they worship and follow a jew ;)

OneNamedNameLess
2nd January 2009, 13:47
Thanks, this was funny but I also find it sadly depressing. I just cant stomach such attitudes.

I'm going to look on the bright side and say that intelligent fanatics are more of a threat than the mass of neo-nazis. Most of whom would probably spell their own name incorrectly.

Wait a mo... "sadly depressing", perhaps i'm a nazi :laugh:

Wanted Man
2nd January 2009, 13:52
Why would you want to debate with nazis?

Reclaimed Dasein
2nd January 2009, 15:29
It goes a bit deeper. For a Marxist, the capitalist is not the epitome of evil: he's a natural consequence of historical dynamics which has produced the capitalist system and the division into classes one sees today. That is to say, we have some ideology. They have none. The "Jew" serves as the epitome of everything that is wrong. Communism? The Jews' fault. Capitalism? Those money-leeching Jews. How can one engage in a debate with such people, most of whom seem to have an IQ the wrong side of 90? And why would one want to?
I would contend they do have an ideology in the Marxian sense. "They do it, but they don't know they do it." What they're advocating for is essentially capitalism without the capitalism. "Oh our system would work if not for those darn Jew messing it up!" So they externalized the problems of capitalism to the Jew, blacks, immigrants, etc. However, we all know very well that the problems are structural and inherent to capitalism.

The reason to debate with them should be obvious. First, if you can convince them their ideas are foolish then we have one less violent opponent and one more run of the mill conservative. Secondly, if you can convince them we are right then we might have one more supporter and they one less.

Socialist Scum
2nd January 2009, 15:55
49% of Finish people are against multi-culturalism! Finland; new assigned centre of the world.

51% do then. Who wins? Wait, I see a flaw in their logic. :rolleyes:

Kassad
2nd January 2009, 15:59
Good stuff, man.

Mindtoaster
2nd January 2009, 16:21
you can teach monkey to drive car. does this make him human or monkey?

I lold hard

Panda Tse Tung
2nd January 2009, 16:31
The reason to debate with them should be obvious. First, if you can convince them their ideas are foolish then we have one less violent opponent and one more run of the mill conservative. Secondly, if you can convince them we are right then we might have one more supporter and they one less.

Only the time you've spend on these individuals would be far more productive if spend on real potential supporters.

fabiansocialist
2nd January 2009, 18:26
I would contend they do have an ideology in the Marxian sense. "They do it, but they don't know they do it." What they're advocating for is essentially capitalism without the capitalism. "Oh our system would work if not for those darn Jew messing it up!" So they externalized the problems of capitalism to the Jew, blacks, immigrants, etc. However, we all know very well that the problems are structural and inherent to capitalism.

Some of them speak of "national socialism." They're aware of some of the problems of capitalism, but simply ascribe them all to the "Jew" (e.g., interest-based banking)


The reason to debate with them should be obvious. First, if you can convince them their ideas are foolish then we have one less violent opponent and one more run of the mill conservative. Secondly, if you can convince them we are right then we might have one more supporter and they one less.

My own limited experience is that a certain personality type tends to gravitate towards this outlook. This type is completely impervious to debate. Might as well try to convince an evangelical of evolution. But I wish you luck; I gave up a long time ago.

Mister X
2nd January 2009, 19:18
As Trotsky explained in his work "Fascism , What it is and How to Fight it " , fascism is the lifeboat of capitalism. Once the capitalists reach a point of intense fear from the workers , they are willing to concede some political freedoms in order to retain their economic freedom.

Nazis are the last protective shield of capitalism. They (probably without their rank and file knowing it) have saved capitalism from the "Jewish Reds". Recall what happened in Italy, in Germany, in Greece etc. They are just tools of the ruling class.

Also don't forget that in Italy in the past student protest an armed gang of 100 fascists attacked the striking students. It is obvious whos interest they are serving.
That is why there is no need for debate with them. Just armed defence(when material conditions are appropriate) .

Raúl Duke
3rd January 2009, 01:30
Also don't forget that in Italy in the past student protest an armed gang of 100 fascists attacked the striking students. It is obvious whos interest they are serving.
That is why there is no need for debate with them. Just armed defence(when material conditions are appropriate) .I did recall seeing a thread on revleft about the educational reform protests in Italy and about how a fascist group (I even checked this group's board and they claim to be fascists) attacked the protesting students. I also heard that in Greece a far-right/fascist group also attacked rioters/protestors and making arrests, thus working alongside the police (this was mentioned on revleft too, or on a link I found in revleft). It seems that now these days the fascists are very much obvious tools of the state and the ruling class.

Reclaimed Dasein
3rd January 2009, 17:41
As Trotsky explained in his work "Fascism , What it is and How to Fight it " , fascism is the lifeboat of capitalism. Once the capitalists reach a point of intense fear from the workers , they are willing to concede some political freedoms in order to retain their economic freedom.

Nazis are the last protective shield of capitalism. They (probably without their rank and file knowing it) have saved capitalism from the "Jewish Reds". Recall what happened in Italy, in Germany, in Greece etc. They are just tools of the ruling class.

Also don't forget that in Italy in the past student protest an armed gang of 100 fascists attacked the striking students. It is obvious whos interest they are serving.
That is why there is no need for debate with them. Just armed defence(when material conditions are appropriate) .
I don't think this tells the whole story. You'll notice that most Fascists come from relatively poor conditions. From time to time you'll see some reactionary aristocrat involved, but for the most part Fascists come from the working class. Moreover, they often have extreme distrust in the capitalists in the form of the "jew." What should we make of this?

I think it's more accurate to say that Fascism is the failure of communism. I want to be clear, I'm not advocating for some ridiculous idea like "fascism and communism are two sides of the same coin." Or that we have a common anti-capitalist enemy in fascism. Quite the opposite. Fascism is the nationalist perversion of communism that happens when communism fails. For example, I see the Nazi party as the symptom of the Sparticist failure in Germany. When fascism arises, it is because the people no longer have any hope in communism. That is, above all, our failure. I think we need a deeper understanding of anti-fascism. We should protect the entire world from Fascism, but that includes protecting the Fascist from themselves.

However, that is not always an option. If the Fascists will not be reasoned with and they have the strenght to carry out actions (notice the two conditions not just one) then they must be violently stopped which is why I remained armed and trained. This saying doesn't work exactly, but I think it's still relevant.
"You can get farther with a kind word and a gun than you can with just a kind word."
Shouldn't the inverse also be true? You can get farther with a kind word and a gun than you can with just a gun?

fabiansocialist
3rd January 2009, 19:46
I don't think this tells the whole story. You'll notice that most Fascists come from relatively poor conditions. From time to time you'll see some reactionary aristocrat involved, but for the most part Fascists come from the working class. Moreover, they often have extreme distrust in the capitalists in the form of the "jew." What should we make of this?

I think it's more accurate to say that Fascism is the failure of communism. I want to be clear, I'm not advocating for some ridiculous idea like "fascism and communism are two sides of the same coin." Or that we have a common anti-capitalist enemy in fascism. Quite the opposite. Fascism is the nationalist perversion of communism that happens when communism fails. For example, I see the Nazi party as the symptom of the Sparticist failure in Germany. When fascism arises, it is because the people no longer have any hope in communism. That is, above all, our failure. I think we need a deeper understanding of anti-fascism. We should protect the entire world from Fascism, but that includes protecting the Fascist from themselves.

Another theory is that "fascism is the ideology of the stupid." Most of the ones I've encountered are incapable of entertaining and working with abstract ideas of how the world works (e.g., Marxist theory). They have to give a human face to everything they see happening in the world around them, everything they sense is wrong. And this human face is the "other" -- in this case, "the Jew." If Jews didn't exist, they would have to be invented by these people as a prop with which to understand what is otherwise too complex.

Comrade B
3rd January 2009, 21:26
Chineseses are more stupid and more mixed genes.
this made me laugh...

I always am kind of creeped out reading this Nazi shit though. Though half of them are cowards, it always stuns me how such a huge group of people could join a culture based purely around violence. I got into communism because of a family friend who was a Teamster and showed how there is something in humans that causes us to want to help each other.
Only after reading a bit about Fidel did I become a supporter of the idea of revolution.

I became a communist because I believe that communism can help people, and I became a supporter of revolution because I thought it an efficient way of removing corruption.

Nazis become Nazis because because they want someone to blame, they have already decided they want to kill the people they blame.

mikelepore
4th January 2009, 07:46
"Fascism is the iron hoop placed around the collapsing barrel of capitalism." -- Paraphrased from Karl Radek

ashaman1324
5th January 2009, 07:14
lol
i used to do this sort of thing on strontfront.
it really is astounding.
and you notice, however stereotypical i know this sounds, a vast majority of posters showing their location were in deep south america, germany, or scandinavia.

Comrade B
5th January 2009, 07:29
germany
a lot of the dip shit nazis that say this are just wannabe Germans, thinking that Germans actually like them. Funny thing, I doubt most of them could spot Germany on a map.

They put their locations to Germany like people on here often say the USSR

S.O.I
5th January 2009, 13:10
Chineseses are more stupid and more mixed genes.

wholly mother of LOL

Skin_HeadBanger
5th January 2009, 18:32
My greatgrandfather was from Germany, he always hated racists, and I am 50% German by heritage. I think the German culture is a beautiful one (Nazi Germany was NOT Germany as far as I'm concerned), and I hate when these fuckers act like its their Mecca.

Comrade B
6th January 2009, 00:06
50% German by heritage
same here, Grandparents moved after the war to the US "Because of how kindly they treat Emil" my grandfather "as a prisoner of war"
That kindness is long dead now, and the US has betrayed my family. Their leaders deserve to suffer for their cruelty, and I feel no loyalty to them.

I too wish these stupid Nazis would stop claiming my family's home land as theirs