Will 2009-2012 be good years for us?

[Socialist Scum]

I can see as we come into a new year, that we will perhaps see a massive rise in support for socialism.. as well as Fascism maybe, as the decline happens. I can only hope we fight the Fascists even more then we do now as our numbers grow.

Is what I say correct? Will the next few years see larger amounts of reds, and maybe massive boosts in sales of Marx and other communist writers? We will now have some sort of "Golden period"?

[mykittyhasaboner]

I would believe so, seeing as how Marx's Das Kapital is a best seller again, and many polls held in various countries suggest that the majority of the population in said countries prefer socialism over capitalism.

[bawbag]

I can see as we come into a new year, that we will perhaps see a massive rise in support for socialism.. as well as Fascism maybe, as the decline happens. I can only hope we fight the Fascists even more then we do now as our numbers grow.

Is what I say correct? Will the next few years see larger amounts of reds, and maybe massive boosts in sales of Marx and other communist writers? We will now have some sort of "Golden period"?

hopefully, i am allready trying to convert friends of mine into socialism


I would believe so, seeing as how Marx's Das Kapital is a best seller again, and many polls held in various countries suggest that the majority of the population in said countries prefer socialism over capitalism.

i havent heard much about this, what is it about? and is it recommended to someone new to socialism/communism?

[Dust Bunnies]

hopefully, i am allready trying to convert friends of mine into socialism



i havent heard much about this, what is it about? and is it recommended to someone new to socialism/communism?


I wouldn't have a new person read it. The Communist FAQ by Engels is a good prelude to the Communist Manifesto. After the FAQ and the Manifesto, maybe some light books by "revolutionaries". Direct them to this site :thumbup1:

[BIG BROTHER]

Well in the US, you got millions of people expecting a change that will never come, and this along with the world crisis might mean that will get a good 2009, with hopefully a rise of class struggle.

On the other hand, and this is going to far we can always wait for 2010 and see if the tradition in Mexico continues and we have a new revolution.:thumbup1:

[ZeroNowhere]

I wouldn't have a new person read it. The Communist FAQ by Engels is a good prelude to the Communist Manifesto. After the FAQ and the Manifesto, maybe some light books by "revolutionaries". Direct them to this site :thumbup1:
Why the commie manifesto?
If you're going to do that, at least point out that Marx called the 10 planks antiquated in 1872.

[Die Neue Zeit]

That's why Engels's 1847 work is better. I think there he explicitly acknowledged that his laundry list was time-specific (just like he admitted with his definition of "proletarian").

[piet11111]

obviously 2009 will be a year of class struggle and already the left is enjoying greater popularity then they had in a very long time.
if its going to be a good year for the revolutionary left remains to be seen but i am hopeful.

[Djehuti]

Is what I say correct? Will the next few years see larger amounts of reds, and maybe massive boosts in sales of Marx and other communist writers? We will now have some sort of "Golden period"?

Well, that depends on us. But I think not, we are unfortunatly way to weak to handle the situation in an enough satisfying way. We will most likely grow stronger though and there will be more tention in society. It's time for us to put in the next gear, and if we do so we could have our "next big chance" in 15 years or so.

I believe in communism in our life-time, in fact I'm quite sure of it, but we must start taking our cause more seriously and struggle even more dedicated than before.

We need some new Lenins... ;)

[piet11111]

we do not need lenin's we need people that are going to organize the people around them spreading the knowledge we already posses.

developing theory is nice but i have the impression that we have been reinventing the wheel for long enough already.

[The Idler]

Does anyone else think the mainstream media will promote fascism-lite (a la Sean Hannity or Rush Limbaugh) rather than communism?

[bruce]

What would be some obvious signals of improvement? That is, what situations are most likely to reflect the ideas of the leftist movements and how would we know they are being applied correctly? I'm speaking mainly of the U.S. but I'd be interested to hear about other places too

[Djehuti]

we do not need lenin's we need people that are going to organize the people around them spreading the knowledge we already posses.

developing theory is nice but i have the impression that we have been reinventing the wheel for long enough already.

Thats pretty much what I meant. Theory if of cource important but what we need the most is to get organized and start winning.

[Pogue]

I would believe so, seeing as how Marx's Das Kapital is a best seller again, and many polls held in various countries suggest that the majority of the population in said countries prefer socialism over capitalism.

Could you link the polls?

[Reclaimed Dasein]

Well, that depends on us. But I think not, we are unfortunatly way to weak to handle the situation in an enough satisfying way. We will most likely grow stronger though and there will be more tention in society. It's time for us to put in the next gear, and if we do so we could have our "next big chance" in 15 years or so.

I believe in communism in our life-time, in fact I'm quite sure of it, but we must start taking our cause more seriously and struggle even more dedicated than before.

We need some new Lenins... ;)
I agree that it will depend on us, but I don't think we have to worry about waiting 10 or 15 years. For us in the United States, Obama's win means that a direct confrontation between the workers and their owners has been momentarily avoided, but that has its benefits too. Under Obama, we have some breathing room to start working on swelling our ranks. I highly recommend focusing our efforts on the right rather than the left. Quite often people on the left just circulate through the various parties and movements while building little momentum or force. However, the right is going to be the most disaffected at the moment. I think this is the chance we have to make them see that their cultural war issues (immigration, liberal media, obsession with guns/violence) are really just displaced class issues (labor markets, corporate media consolidation, passion for real change/revolution).

If we can make even modest inroads into the right, we'll have accomplished something great. Rather than losing a liberal and gaining a leftist, we will have taken a reactionary and added a leftist. This means that even if that person doesn't sustain their revolutionary fevor, the country has moved just that much further to the left. Is it going to be hard? Absolutely, but I think if we work at it then we can do it.

[Skin_HeadBanger]

hopefully, i am allready trying to convert friends of mine into socialism


I was converted in November 2008;)

Regardless, I don't know if they would be good years for the left, as opposed to less-bad years.

[Niemand]

The year 2012 will be our version of 1933 and will therefore not only be, probably, the height of the New Depression, but may also be a year of great support for the socialist movement. It won't be a good year for workers by any measure, but our potential for victory will be far greater than what it is today. That is, depending on how the nation reacts to the failure of President-elect Obama's deluded Keynesianism. Should they become emboldened by the failure of the bourgeoisie and turn to the Left for guidance, our victory is assured. However, if they should become so depressed that their apathy will make the Bush era seem to be a time of great prosperity for us.

[Invincible Summer]

I would believe so, seeing as how Marx's Das Kapital is a best seller again, and many polls held in various countries suggest that the majority of the population in said countries prefer socialism over capitalism.

But are they talking about state-capitalist "socialism" or worker's control socialism?

[Pogue]

hopefully it will!