Pope puts stress on 'gay threat'

[Hyacinth]

Pope puts stress on 'gay threat' (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7796663.stm)


Pope Benedict XVI warned that gender theory blurs the distinction between male and female and could thus lead to the "self-destruction" of the human race.

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It is not "outmoded metaphysics" to urge respect for the "nature of the human being as man and woman," he told scores of prelates gathered in the Vatican's sumptuous Clementine Hall
Metaphysics and the Catholich Church: members of a set of things that ought to be abolished.

[Bilan]

Pope: insane.

[apathy maybe]

"nature of the human being as man and woman"

But humans are naturally not "man" and "woman".

Anyway, fuck the pope, having blurred gender lines is a great step forward for gender equality. We don't need clear gender lines.

Fuck the pope (all (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_of_the_Coptic_Orthodox_Church_of_Alexandria) of (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Greek_Orthodox_Patriarchs_of_Alexandria) them (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope)).

[progressive_lefty]

The Catholic church isn't the biggest enemy of homosexuals, its the evangelicals. I could argue that point easily.

[apathy maybe]

The Catholic church isn't the biggest enemy of homosexuals, its the evangelicals. I could argue that point easily.

It isn't about being the "biggest enemy of homosexuals" (and it isn't just gay folks the pope is attacking, but various other queer folk, including transsexual folks).

It is about being a fucking muppet wanking bastard shit face.

But go on, how are evangelicals more of a danger than the Catholic Church? According to Wikipedia: they comprise "over half of all Christians and one-sixth of the world's population", umm...

Of course, the Church is the main problem, rather than the people who profess to be Catholics (and turn up to mass once a year for Christmas (ignoring that Easter is a more "special" occasion)). The point still stands, the Catholic Pope is going to get listened to and published (like in the BBC), and taken seriously...

[Pirate turtle the 11th]

Breaking news:

The pope is a worthless piece of shite who would do the world a favor if he chocked to death on his shitty bible.

I have read some stuff on other forums and people seemed shocked that the pope is a homophobic ****, He is the fucking pope what else is he gonna be?

Mind you this pope does seem to be even more of a prick then the last one.

[lombas]

Yeah, the introduction of "gender studies" in history &c really blurs the distinction between men and women.

How far from reality are these people?

[BobKKKindle$]

Yeah, the introduction of "gender studies" in history &c really blurs the distinction between men and women.As AM pointed out, the elimination of gender roles would be a positive development - under the status quo both men and women are faced with pressure to act and present themselves in accordance with what society sees as acceptable for members of either sex, or, to put it differently, we live in a society of gender roles, which limit our capacity for individual development and free expression. In a way, the Pope is right - by acknowledging that gender is a social construct we can move beyond biological determinism and begin to think about alternative modes of socialization and social interaction, including the vision of a gender-free society. The difference is that he and the institution he represents see this as something negative, whereas we should celebrate all victories against gender oppression and encourage the theoretical exploration of gender.

[lombas]

As AM pointed out, the elimination of gender roles would be a positive development - under the status quo both men and women are faced with pressure to act and present themselves in accordance with what society sees as acceptable for members of either sex, or, to put it differently, we live in a society of gender roles, which limit our capacity for individual development and free expression. In a way, the Pope is right - by acknowledging that gender is a social construct we can move beyond biological determinism and begin to think about alternative modes of socialization and social interaction, including the vision of a gender-free society. The difference is that he and the institution he represents see this as something negative, whereas we should celebrate all victories against gender oppression and encourage the theoretical exploration of gender.

That is a good point, comrade.

I'm helping someone who researches the historical concept "gay identity", so I was merely starting from there.

[Sasha]

omfg! the ex-hitler jugend, rabiat anti-communist, katholic fundamentalist leader is an homophobic piece of shit!!! who would have thought... :rolleyes:

fuck the pope, BUT USE A CONDOM!!

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Pope Benedict XVI warned that gender theory blurs the distinction between male and female and could thus lead to the "self-destruction" of the human race.

Even if every human turned exclusively homosexual tomorrow, humans could and would still reproduce. Homosexuality =/= sterility.


It is not "outmoded metaphysics" to urge respect for the "nature of the human being as man and woman," he told scores of prelates gathered in the Vatican's sumptuous Clementine Hall

It's not "outmoded metaphysics", it's a false assumption based on socially-enforced stereotypes.

[BobKKKindle$]

omfg! the ex-hitler jugend

A secondary point - it's unfair to link anyone's politics to membership of the Hitler Youth, because young people who decided to become part of the organization rarely did so because they were in full agreement with the politics of the Nazi regime - instead the Hitler Youth was attractive because it offered young people a sense of community as well as access to activities such as holidays and sporting events, and young people often faced pressure to join for these reasons and also because the Hitler Youth provided a path into employment as part of the army or the party apparatus. I attended a German secondary school and it was widely known that many of the older staff members had been members when they were younger but there was never any indication that they were deeply prejudiced or nationalistic, and several of my teachers identified strongly with the left on certain issues.

[Pirate Utopian]

I think the Hitler Jugend thing might also be because, well else the nazi's would kinda kill your family and stuff.

This remains discriminatory bullshit ofcourse.

[Magdalen]

Aye, I believe his father was an anti-fascist, whose opposition to the Nazis caused him trouble on several occasions, and who refused to allow his children to join the Hitler Youth until he received threats. The Pope also had a cousin with Down's Syndrome who was murdered under the Nazi's euthanasia programme.

However, this doesn't give him an excuse for the comments he made. If anything, what the Pope witnessed under fascist regime should make him more strongly opposed to all forms of discrimination.

[Die Neue Zeit]

Pope puts stress on 'gay threat' (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7796663.stm)


Metaphysics and the Catholic Church: members of a set of things that ought to be abolished.

Concordat! Sieg Heil! [Just to note the recent political legacy of the RCC]

Also this crap, which is "totality" related:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distributism

[progressive_lefty]

It isn't about being the "biggest enemy of homosexuals" (and it isn't just gay folks the pope is attacking, but various other queer folk, including transsexual folks).

It is about being a fucking muppet wanking bastard shit face.

But go on, how are evangelicals more of a danger than the Catholic Church? According to Wikipedia: they comprise "over half of all Christians and one-sixth of the world's population", umm...

Of course, the Church is the main problem, rather than the people who profess to be Catholics (and turn up to mass once a year for Christmas (ignoring that Easter is a more "special" occasion)). The point still stands, the Catholic Pope is going to get listened to and published (like in the BBC), and taken seriously...

Who are the most hostile to homosexuals? Are Catholics likely to start the sort of organisations that demonise homosexuals in the same way the evangelicals do? Studies have found that liberal christians come from the traditional churches eg. Anglican, Methodist, Catholic, Lutheran.. If we look at some of the most openly homophobic organisations in the US, being the ex-gay groups, the 'god hates fags' people and other so-called 'pro-family' groups, they are all started by conservative evangelical christians. Fair comment?

[Trystan]

The Pope is a senile, kiddy fiddling Nazi moron.

[Sasha]

I think the Hitler Jugend thing might also be because, well else the nazi's would kinda kill your family and stuff.



bolloxs, this is simply not true...
secondly, if you dont take a firm anti-nazi stance after "freedom" returned i think you can hold people's membership of the HJ against them.
as far as i know he only made excuses for himself instead of honest regret.


instead the Hitler Youth was attractive because it offered young people a sense of community as well as access to activities such as holidays and sporting events,

so were the edelweis pirates (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edelweiss_Pirates).... no excuse

[TC]

Needless to say, the catholic church is evil and when the revolution comes its property should be expropriated, the churches turned into museums and/or nightclubs.

However, among all reactionary religions, the catholics are uniquely strange in this line of reaction considering that their clergy consists of men in dresses (the more festively colored, the higher the rank) who wont have sex with women.

[TC]

Who are the most hostile to homosexuals? Are Catholics likely to start the sort of organisations that demonise homosexuals in the same way the evangelicals do? Studies have found that liberal christians come from the traditional churches eg. Anglican, Methodist, Catholic, Lutheran.. If we look at some of the most openly homophobic organisations in the US, being the ex-gay groups, the 'god hates fags' people and other so-called 'pro-family' groups, they are all started by conservative evangelical christians. Fair comment?

Except in that 1. all claims to 'studies' without references on the internet are bullshit 2. the Anglicans, Methodists and Lutherans are socially and theologically completely different from Catholics: the head of the Anglican church in America is a woman and the Anglican bishop for New Hampshire is a gay man with a husband.

You really think the Catholic position on homosexuality (unnatural, going to hell, destroying the world) is comparable to the Anglican position (normal, children of god, acceptable for the clergy).

[lombas]

The news also stood in my newspaper today. I can't believe anyone actually pays attention to this and publishes it in a newspaper...

[Jazzratt]

Religion: It's all progressive all the time. :thumbup:

The sad thing about this is that the pope should have been an irrelevance for centuries but this disgusting message will be heard, taken on board and dogmatically followed by catholics and apologists the world over.

[Hyacinth]

The news also stood in my newspaper today. I can't believe anyone actually pays attention to this and publishes it in a newspaper...
This is exactly, and sadly, why religion is still dangerous. We here can have a good laugh at the insane rants of a senile lunatic, but it's when people take it seriously (as those who are religious do) that it becomes a problem.

[lombas]

This is exactly, and sadly, why religion is still dangerous. We here can have a good laugh at the insane rants of a senile lunatic, but it's when people take it seriously (as those who are religious do) that it becomes a problem.

Today, this (http://www.gva.be/nieuws/media_cultuur/default.asp?art={4AAF4358-4241-4CCA-AEF1-4478D55D6DD9}) was published in the same newspaper. Un-be-fucking-lievable.

Seems like getting actual footage from the pope's summer residence is real news...

[jake williams]

IN THE FACE OF THE GREAT GAY APOCALYPSE:

I suggest that we pick a Straight Day one day a year where the writhing homo masses remember Nature and Jesus for a day and pair off man-and-woman like for the purposes of reproduction. I nominate November 13th. It's cold in November.

[Chapter 24]

I don't expect any better from a dogmatic, money-hoarding, reactionary leader of a group of religious zealots committed to keeping "Christ's teachings." I come from a partly-Catholic family and it was this kind of flaggrantly absurd and utterly revolting kind of rhetoric that turned me off to Catholicism hardcore.

[redSHARP]

*Yawn*, whats new about this statement?

[Sasha]

Needless to say, the catholic church is evil and when the revolution comes its property should be expropriated, the churches turned into museums and/or nightclubs.


yeah, lets make from the vatican a gay leather bar!!! :lol:

[RedSonRising]

Honestly, any religious interpretation can be used for good and evil, religion itself is not evil, only the manipulation and unadaptable implementation in an institution is...catholic liberation theology has guided Latin America guerilla movements since the 50's and the current Church's stance on this issue is simply a wrong one. He was not a Nazi, and I am no fan of dogmaticism in religion, but disregarding religion and insulting those of faith because of a current religious leaders' expression is very unbecoming of those who beleive in equality and marxism.

[Sharon den Adel]

The Pope needs to shut his trap about the so called 'evils' of homosexuality and focus on those dirty pedophile Priests his Church continue to protect.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

Yes, the Pope is reactionary and ultra conservative. He's evil and bigoted. Of course. But I must agree with progressive lefty, Catholics are generally more accepting and less aggressive towards non straight people than followers of the new money grubbing Evangelical denominations, all of whom are forced to obey radical dogmas and basically be fanatical. Catholics, including their clergymen, are usually more reasonable and flexible, despite their Pope.

[not_of_this_world]

Why is being gay so sacred now, is sucking cock all that great for two guys or shove your dick up the dirty ass of some one? I just don't understand this fascination with being gay!

[Comrade B]

Christ this guy is a dick. He got his name originally from being in charge of excommunicating communist priests in South and Central America.
To think that such an absurd figure still exists in the modern world. The Vatican should be turned into a museum of cults.

In the words of my father, "the last of the bishops (pretty sure he would include the pope in with this) need to be hanged by intestines of the last of the monarchy"


He stressed that the event should not be considered a "variant of modern youth culture, as a kind of ecclesiastical rock festival with the Pope as the star," but as the fruition of a "long exterior and interior path".
who the fuck does this guy think he is?

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Why is being gay so sacred now, is sucking cock all that great for two guys or shove your dick up the dirty ass of some one? I just don't understand this fascination with being gay!

Could it be because homosexuals of either sex are subject to vicious attacks by violent bigots, and statements like the Pope's only encourage them? :rolleyes:


The Vatican should be turned into a museum of cults.


Personally I think it would be better if it were levelled and replaced with a nice park.

[StalinFanboy]

Why is being gay so sacred now, is sucking cock all that great for two guys or shove your dick up the dirty ass of some one? I just don't understand this fascination with being gay!
I think someone needs to come out of the closet :]

[Chambered Word]

fuck the pope, BUT USE A CONDOM!!

Anally raping the pope? I'm hetero don't get me wrong but that sure is an interesting way to start a revolution. :laugh:

I've kind of heard two sides of the whole Hitlerjugend membership thing: apparently he didn't like being in it and was forced into it but something tells me kids weren't forced into the Hitlerjugend. Does anyone have some reliable source information on this?

One way or another though I'm thoroughly sick of the religious supposedly having a monopoly on morality and church fanatics being called 'morality campaigners' in the newspapers and such. All these illogical, hypocritical crap that the church perpetrate just makes me want to burn down all the local godboxes.

Has anyone noticed that alot of major tornado outbreaks in the South have happened on Palm Sunday, i.e a Christian holiday? Something makes me wonder where their god is NOW.