Cuba

[Pogue]

I've heard things have been getting more repressive their lately, with homophobic policy and ill treatment of the people in general. Anyone got any info on it?

[Hiero]

What are you talking about?

If you have heard things, then you must have the info. Unless I can safely assume that you have been talking to a nobody who doesn't know a thing about Cuba.

Oh and nice try with the homophobic thing, that is quite sensationalist approach but a little to obvious.

Seriously don't start such trashy threads.

[Mister X]

I get pretty disappointed when so-called leftists propagate bourgeois propaganda. But when people make their own propaganda against a (deformed) workers state then that makes me really upset. The thing is that the creator of this this thread does not cite sources and I haven't heard anything in the bourgeois news about it. It is one thing to criticize Cuba for its bureaucracy and lack of workers democracy and another thing to make up stories and create rumors . So the creator either needs to cite reliable sources or needs to crosscheck before making a thread about it. I head that the USA just nuked Australia. Doesn't it sound pretty stupid? Just because Cuba is not the socialist paradise we dream of we shouldn't slander it. Because the revolution has objectively benefited the working class there. Also we need to take into account its isolation before we can be overcritical about its economic - political situation. While we should push for workers democracy we should not propagate bourgeois(or even your own) propaganda against it.

[Sankofa]

:rolleyes: zomg guys! The Miami Herald says that Fidel personally eats the babies straight from the uterus of pregnant cuban wimmins and jerks off with the fetus jelly! Any truth to this!?1?!

Seriously, Cuba has been debated up and down on this forum for years and these ridiculous claims long exposed/debunked.

All you have to do is search, and you might be able to find a thread like say, Gay History in Cuba (http://www.revleft.com/vb/gay-history-cuba-t93408/index.html?t=93408&highlight=cuba) that deals with your very question.

Plus, didn't you create a thread about Cuba two months ago (http://www.revleft.com/vb/cuba-t92036/index.html?t=92036&highlight=cuba)? So did you forget that fast or is this a troll thread?

[REDSOX]

There was a time when gays and lesbians were persecuted for their sexuality all over the world in communist and capitalist states alike. The right wing saw it as immoral behaviour contrary to religious teachings, and the left or most of them saw it as bourgeois decadence. Cuba was no exception in the treatment of homosexuals especially in the 1960's and 1970's although none were murdereed or tortured unlike in other states. Since the 1979 decriminilisation gay rights have improved enormously in Cuba (though they are imperfect) to the extent where the cuban parliament is discussing legalising gay marriage. Gay Cuba? nearly there but not quite

[Charles Xavier]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrzMhU_4m-gBurn the counter-revolutionary! BURN HIM HES A WITCH!

[Pogue]

I've heard things have been getting more repressive their lately, with homophobic policy and ill treatment of the people in general. Anyone got any info on it?

I got some information about it and I was checking if its true. Therefore your shit storm was uneccesary and counter-productive. So before you start trolling maybe you should scream and give me some genuine info, like I, erm, asked for.

Some people are thick.

[Sam_b]

If you have info about whats happened and are checking for verification, would it not be...um....intellegent to actually tell us where you heard it or what source so it can be properly analysed?

So I wouldn't go around banding people 'thick' if you're leaving out basic and obvious information.

[Pogue]

Jesus christ, you too? Its a rumour I heard, ok? It was in a newspaper. Sort of like how someone might start a post syaing "I've heard theres protests going on in Athens, anyone got any info?" You guys need to learn to chill out before jumping on the bandwagon, for christs sake. I'm asking a question, take this as an opputunity to dispel to me the apparent myth going on. There was an article in the paper saying theres been repression on gays in Cuba in recent months and ill-treatment of the populace in general. I want to know if this is true because I have a fondness for Cuba. Is that acceptable or am I still trolling? Thanks :)

[Charles Xavier]

Jesus christ, you too? Its a rumour I heard, ok? It was in a newspaper. Sort of like how someone might start a post syaing "I've heard theres protests going on in Athens, anyone got any info?" You guys need to learn to chill out before jumping on the bandwagon, for christs sake. I'm asking a question, take this as an opputunity to dispel to me the apparent myth going on. There was an article in the paper saying theres been repression on gays in Cuba in recent months and ill-treatment of the populace in general. I want to know if this is true because I have a fondness for Cuba. Is that acceptable or am I still trolling? Thanks :)



There is an article that the Soviet Union nationalized women.

I have heard another rumour, maybe you can check it out for me, that gullible isn't in the dictionary

[Pogue]

There is an article that the Soviet Union nationalized women.

I have heard another rumour, maybe you can check it out for me, that gullible isn't in the dictionary

Brilliant.

So has anyone got anything on the situation in Cuba at the moment, everything post-Castro, if anythings changed?

[Charles Xavier]

Brilliant.

So has anyone got anything on the situation in Cuba at the moment, everything post-Castro, if anythings changed?


Everything is fine in Cuba.

[Pogue]

Good to hear, thanks

[Magdalen]

Can you provide us with a link to the article you are referring to?

In the meantime, here's a link to Richard Roques' excellent article on gay rights in Cuba from the Rock Around The Blockade website.

http://www.ratb.org.uk/frfi/181news.HTML (It's the third article on the page)

[redarmyfaction38]

Good to hear, thanks

i've read some very good things about cuba recently, like micro systems to produce energy for farms, rebuilding in order to take into account changed enviromental considerations.
the cuban regime seems on point and the capitalists could definately learn a lot from them

[Revy]

Cuba is progressing on gay rights so obviously what you heard must be wrong.
Clearly progressing more than the US.

You know that recent UN proposal calling for legalization of homosexuality worldwide? It was supported by Cuba, opposed by the U.S.

Cuba's current left-leaning allies, Bolivia, Ecuador, Nicaragua, and Venezuela also supported it.



The 66 signatories to the General Assembly declaration were: Albania, Andorra, Argentina, Armenia, Australia, Austria, Belgium, Bolivia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Brazil, Bulgaria, Canada, Cape Verde, Central African Republic, Chile, Colombia, Croatia, Cuba, Cyprus, Czech Republic, Denmark, Ecuador, Estonia, Finland, France, Gabon, Georgia, Germany, Greece, Guinea-Bissau, Hungary, Iceland, Ireland, Israel, Italy, Japan, Latvia, Liechtenstein, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malta, Mauritius, Mexico, Montenegro, Nepal, Netherlands, New Zealand, Nicaragua, Norway, Paraguay, Poland, Portugal, Romania, San Marino, Sao Tome and Principe, Serbia, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, the former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia, Timor-Leste, United Kingdom, Uruguay, and Venezuela.

[Charles Xavier]

Cuba also offers free sex change operations, it is the only country in the world to do so.

[Mister X]

"Jesus christ, you too? Its a rumour I heard, ok? It was in a newspaper. Sort of like how someone might start a post syaing "I've heard theres protests going on in Athens, anyone got any info?" You guys need to learn to chill out before jumping on the bandwagon, for christs sake. I'm asking a question, take this as an opputunity to dispel to me the apparent myth going on. There was an article in the paper saying theres been repression on gays in Cuba in recent months and ill-treatment of the populace in general. I want to know if this is true because I have a fondness for Cuba. Is that acceptable or am I still trolling? Thanks "-H-L-V-S Comrade next time you ask about Cuba you should phrase it differently if you don't want people to start talking in an aggressive manner. For example you should say :I read in a bourgeois paper that so and so happened. Is it true or is it bullshit as usual? Something in the lines of that. Because you start off with the assumption that what you read is true. You should never do that, because most things on bourgeois papers are serving the interests of the upper class.

[Wanted Man]

Jesus christ, you too? Its a rumour I heard, ok? It was in a newspaper. Sort of like how someone might start a post syaing "I've heard theres protests going on in Athens, anyone got any info?" You guys need to learn to chill out before jumping on the bandwagon, for christs sake. I'm asking a question, take this as an opputunity to dispel to me the apparent myth going on. There was an article in the paper saying theres been repression on gays in Cuba in recent months and ill-treatment of the populace in general. I want to know if this is true because I have a fondness for Cuba. Is that acceptable or am I still trolling? Thanks :)
More people have a fondness for Cuba. And I'm sure a lot of people have a fondness for you, too. And those people also wouldn't like it if I said: "I heard H-L-V-S has been deteriorating, with his alcoholism and domestic violence getting worse. Anyone got info?" Nobody likes it when something or someone they're attached to gets badmouthed, or when people express "concerns" that look like gossip that can damage the reputation of that thing or person.

I guess that's why people reacted angrily. Why not just ask: "How about gay rights in Cuba? I read this article (link) that says there has been more repression, is this true?" Then people could refer you to the scores of earlier threads on homosexuality in Cuba, or deal specifically with the claims of said article.

[Pogue]

Cuba however isn't a person. Its a state, and the natures of states change. I have a fondness for Cuba, but if it completely degenerated into an reactionary shithole I'd lose any fondness for it I have. I heard that in recent months Cuba had been changing. I didn't say it was true, I just asked if it had, if what I'd heard is true. I don't come on here doubting absolutely everything I hear about Cuba. Yes, the bourgeoisie press lies but so does pro-Cuba sources. So I wanted more sources before I came to a conclusion. From the responses I got, it seemed like I was an absolute arsehole for even aksing whether some reactionary policies were being implemented, as if I'd just commited a mortal sin.

Judging by my political leanings and previous posts i'd have thought it was clear by starting this thread I was wishing to reassure myself that what I heard was slanderous bullshit. I now actually believe that, that it was bourgeoisie lies, and I always doubted the truth in it anyway, hence why I started this thread to enquire. Perhaps next time you could hold back the shit storm till after you actually start to think.

[Patchd]

If anything, I heard their policy on homosexuality is improving. I had one comrade who had a Cuban boyfriend, his experiences in Cuba is very interesting, and at least shows the benefits of what a collective society (however deformed) may achieve, food on the table being one of them.

Defend the gains in Cuba, extend the revolution and smash the state!

[Hiero]

The reason why I responded so harshly because if we reduce what you said to a very basic level, it sounded like this "Here is a another ridicilous rumour about Cuba from an unnamed resource". There is not even a reference point to work off.

[paolo22]

I keep hearing people say "Cuba isn't the perfect socialist nation".

I have a question; what do you expect from a country a couple miles away from FLORIDA???

Do you honestly think the country is not at war right now? It is a serious situation, and they can't let their guard down.

Everything about Cuba should be supported until the world has been cleaned of Capitalist Imperialism, then we can get down to the basics.

Until then, the left is at WAR.

[JimmyJazz]

Cuba however isn't a person. Its a state, and the natures of states change. I have a fondness for Cuba, but if it completely degenerated into an reactionary shithole I'd lose any fondness for it I have. I heard that in recent months Cuba had been changing. I didn't say it was true, I just asked if it had, if what I'd heard is true. I don't come on here doubting absolutely everything I hear about Cuba. Yes, the bourgeoisie press lies but so does pro-Cuba sources. So I wanted more sources before I came to a conclusion. From the responses I got, it seemed like I was an absolute arsehole for even aksing whether some reactionary policies were being implemented, as if I'd just commited a mortal sin.

Judging by my political leanings and previous posts i'd have thought it was clear by starting this thread I was wishing to reassure myself that what I heard was slanderous bullshit. I now actually believe that, that it was bourgeoisie lies, and I always doubted the truth in it anyway, hence why I started this thread to enquire. Perhaps next time you could hold back the shit storm till after you actually start to think.

It's not about your politics, it's about your awful OP with no link.

If you'd said "I heard Cuba is a perfect workers' paradise, confirm/deny" people still would have jumped on you.

[Kassad]

I think the situation with Fidel Castro is stunningly reminiscent of the Soviet Union under Stalin. Here we have two workers states threatened by Western colonialism and hostility. Subsequently, the nations are forced to divert a significant load of their budget to protecting their borders and this takes away from money necessary to preserving the workers state. Of course, every nation has to be concerned with national security, but Stalin's Union and Castro's Cuba were/are constantly being threatened by Western oppression and the bourgeosie class attempting to return them to shackles. Castro and Stalin are often viewed in a negative light, but on many occasions, they did what they had to do to preserve unity and prosperity.

Still, always remember that you need to filter through bourgeoisie propaganda. Why would the American corporate media say anything good about Cuba, since they have nothing to gain? Remember that.

[not_of_this_world]

Enough is enough!:blink: