CHE: Part one and two

[cleef]

Anyone seen the trailers for this movie?
What's your view on it? Is it being done from a leftist perspective celebrating the man or is it just hollywood trying to cash in on the icon??? :confused:

[mykittyhasaboner]

Ive seen trailers for it, and it looks great. But trailers are trailers.

I'm certain that Soderbergh and the rest of the film makers are going to try and be as historically accurate as they can. You should read the Wiki article on this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Che_(film)

[S.O.I]

Ive seen trailers for it, and it looks great. But trailers are trailers.

I'm certain that Soderbergh and the rest of the film makers are going to try and be as historically accurate as they can. You should read the Wiki article on this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Che_(film (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Che_%28film))

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/ff/DeltoroCHE.jpg/180px-DeltoroCHE.jpg

LOL

[redguard2009]

Wait, seriously? That's who they got to play Che?

That man is fucking ugly.

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

I saw the movie with other comrades in New York. A review was written. It'll be up soon, I'll link to it.

[Mersault]

I wonder if it has anything about him executing trade unionists and being a massive homophobe.

[Reclaimed Dasein]

Well, I guess all we can do is hope on this one. Although it might drive up interest if it's a resounding success.

[Angry Young Man]

I saw a trailer of it. It looks friggin terrible. For those of you poor dears who haven't seen Monkey Dust, here's what the trailer brought to mind:


(http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=1xJq1f_8bw4)http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=1xJq1f_8bw4
(http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=1xJq1f_8bw4)


(http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=vEVJ_48YgTg&feature=related)http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=vEVJ_48YgTg&feature=related
(http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=vEVJ_48YgTg&feature=related)

[x359594]

I've seen the movie. The trailers bear little relationship to the actual film. There is no English language version of the film, and such English as occurs is the voice over of a translator during a TV interview, and this takes place in part I. The only characters who speak English in Part II are US special forces and CIA agents.

Part I is in the scope format and inter-cuts an interview with Che (conducted in Havana in 1964 according to an inter-title) where he answers questions about the Cuban revolutionary struggle (shown in black and white,) Che's visit to NYC and address to the UN General Assembly including a fictitious encounter with Sen. Eugene McCarthy at a party, scenes in his hotel, another TV interview and glimpses of "Alejandro Ramirez" (the CIA agent Felix Rodriguez*) shown surveiling Che from the street (this footage is also in black and white) with color footage of revolutionary war and newsreel footage of Batista era Cuba.

Virtually everything dealing with the revolution is drawn from Reminiscences of the Cuban Revolutionary War, while the black and white material is an invention of the filmmakers. Che's American biographer John Anderson Lee was an advisor on the movie, so this invented material is not seriously bogus.

Part II is in the 1.85 aspect ratio and is entirely in color. It closely follows Che's Bolivian Diary with the exception of a few scenes involving US agents and the Bolivian military.

Throughout both parts the filmmakers take a distanced view of Che (the black and white interview footage being something of an exception) and the most remarkable aspect of the movie is Benicio Del Toro's ability to dominate scenes where the actor is shown in medium shots and far shots; at least 3/4ths of the total four hours and thirty-five minutes running time of both parts are shown in this manner.

As far as Che's homophobia goes, he's shown calling a recruit a maricone. He is not shown in any post-revolutionary activity in Cuba, so there are no scenes of him signing off on executions. (Nor is he shown executing deserters during the revolutionary war even though the trailer shows such a scene.)

In my view, Part II is better than Part I, though I think the filmmakers miscalculate by adopting a subjective point of view at the moment of Che's death.

As to Che's commercial outlook in the USA, it's very dim in my opinion. It may play better in Europe and Latin America though.

(*I presume Rodriguez would not give the filmmakers permission to use his name.)

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

(Nor is he shown executing deserters during the revolutionary war even though the trailer shows such a scene.)

The execution of a group of rebels that broke off from the others to loot and rape a young girl during the struggle in Cuba appears in the film.

[Coggeh]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/ff/DeltoroCHE.jpg/180px-DeltoroCHE.jpg

LOL

Wait, seriously? That's who they got to play Che?

That man is fucking ugly.
Che didn't always have some beautiful inspiring face on him yano lol....

In fairness just after watching it and i thought Del Toro's acting was pretty damn good , the movie itself (part one) covered the Cuban revolution beautifully , they didn't focus on che as in his personal life to much but brought him into the wider perspective of the revolution and the politics of it .

Honestly I couldn't have expected this to be better written when you think of the many roads this movie could have actually when down , be it focus on excecutions/ches personal life or just have some anti-communist propaganda of a movie .

9.7 out of 10 . Loved it :)

[x359594]

The execution of a group of rebels that broke off from the others to loot and rape a young girl during the struggle in Cuba appears in the film.

You're correct comrade, but the scene you describe is not the scene depicted in the trailer that shows Che himself executing a deserter.

[Angry Young Man]

Does Batista have an English accent in it, perchance?

O and Che an Irish one?

[x359594]

Does Batista have an English accent in it, perchance?

O and Che an Irish one?

Batista has no dialog at all. He's only seen in archival newsreel footage. Che is portrayed by the Mexican actor Benicio Del Toro who speaks in Spanish with an Argentine accent (or so I've been assured by a Colombian friend; I can't vouch for it myself.)

[Angry Young Man]

Did anyone click on those links? Then you'd understand the whole English Batista

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

No, the accents are off. We cover this in the review, which incidentally is now available online:

Little courage in film portrayal of the Heroic Guerrilla (http://revper.org/news.php?extend.7)

[Angry Young Man]

Who directed the Motorcycle Diaries?

[x359594]

No, the accents are off. We cover this in the review...

Thanks comrade. Good review.

As to The Motorcycle Diaries, the director was Walter Salles.

[Angry Young Man]

He'd've done a better job of it.