View Full Version : Palestinian militant shot dead by Israeli forces
TheCultofAbeLincoln
16th December 2008, 19:32
JERUSALEM (CNN) -- Israeli security forces shot and killed a Palestinian militant near the West Bank town of Jenin, Palestinian and Israeli authorities said.
Israeli forces went the village of al-Yamoun late Monday to arrest Jihad Ahmed Nuwahada, a member of the militant group Islamic Jihad.
According to an Israel Defense Forces spokesman, Nuwahada ran from security forces and was shot. He died on the way to hospital.
Palestinian security sources said Nuwahada was leaving an Internet cafe around 11 p.m. (4 p.m. ET) when he failed to answer an Israeli undercover officer and was shot.
Separately, Israel (http://topics.cnn.com/topics/Israel) closed its border crossings with Gaza Tuesday, after another round of rocket fire from the Palestinian territory, a senior Israeli military source said.
Three rockets were fired from the direction of Gaza early Tuesday, the Israeli military reported. There were no reports of injuries or damage.
An Egyptian-brokered six-month truce between the Israelis and the Palestinians ends on Friday, but it's one that has often been ignored.
Almost daily, rockets and mortars fly out of Gaza into Israel, and, in return, the Israeli military strikes back.
Three things,
a. It's really sad that in all likelihood the Israeli authorities will take a dump on the Palestinian Security Forces story of the incident resulting in his shooting, and will just go with whatever the IDF tells them.
b. If the IDF story is true, they're chickenshits. If I was manning a checkpoint and someone came running towards our position, and did not heed warnings, I could understand taking him down (I'm not saying I approve, just that I understand). But they shot this unarmed guy in the back, as he was running away. That's chickenshit; even US military who've done similar things in Iraq have been detained.
c. You heard it here first: Israel is revving up a major incursion into Gaza.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/meast/12/16/israel.palestinian.militant/index.html
RGacky3
16th December 2008, 23:19
He failed to answer and Israeli UNDERCOVOR OFFICER, which means, the Officer, was UNDERCOVOR, dressed as a civilian or something other than an officer.
This is incredible, now then change the story and make it in Venezuela about an undercovor government official shooting an anti-chavez guy, that story would read much differently.
TheCultofAbeLincoln
17th December 2008, 03:09
He failed to answer and Israeli UNDERCOVOR OFFICER, which means, the Officer, was UNDERCOVOR, dressed as a civilian or something other than an officer.
Exactly! That's what's so interestig (for lack of a better word) of the Palestinian story of events.
But naturally, that story will only be regarded as Palestinian propoganda.
This is incredible, now then change the story and make it in Venezuela about an undercovor government official shooting an anti-chavez guy, that story would read much differently.
Yep.
PigmerikanMao
17th December 2008, 03:24
This pisses me off!! :(
Not sure how relevant it is, but I saw this along the line of my internet travels somewhere and thought it was interesting: www.ifamericansknew.org (http://www.ifamericansknew.org)
TheCultofAbeLincoln
17th December 2008, 03:57
Not sure how relevant it is, but I saw this along the line of my internet travels somewhere and thought it was interesting: www.ifamericansknew.org (http://www.ifamericansknew.org)
That doesn't matter. Americans know that poor people are poor because they deserve it, and if they're not safe all they'd have to do is the stop terrorists among them. Also, no jew anywhere at anytime has done anything bad, even suggesting they have is anti-semitic. Duh.
AngloSaxson
18th December 2008, 04:04
As a full sacle right winger, I can even say that Israel needs to rot in hell for slaughtering so many Palestinians civilians. The Israeli defense force uses terror as much as terrorist do. I have heard story's of Israeli soldiers using Palestinians as body shields to go house to house. The Jews shouldn't even be there for the most part, It wasn't originally their home, they sorta just dropped in one day and took some land. They should of not up rotted the Palestinians in the way they did, the lest they could have done was build annexes or some cluster homes for them across the border. Build them a new nation so they wouldn't have to deal with Israel, and they could just stick to them selfs and own culture. Could have helped in the long run as well. They cant live together.
Dean
18th December 2008, 05:00
Three things,
a. It's really sad that in all likelihood the Israeli authorities will take a dump on the Palestinian Security Forces story of the incident resulting in his shooting, and will just go with whatever the IDF tells them.
Of course the authorities will. But that isn't the main problem - the problem is the biased media interpretation, Particularly by CNN. Consider this:
UN attacks Israeli rights 'crimes' (http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2008/12/20081210551198584.html)
The above story ran last friday on alJazeera. This is clearly a big deal - the UN rights council also released a statement on the same day, demanding that 99 measures to improve human rights be adopted. Curious, I checked CNN to see how high the story ran, if at all.
Unsurprisingly, CNN totally ignored this story. The expulsion of a CNN rapporteur has also been ignored, but here is today's top Israeli - related story.
Israel frees hundreds of Palestinian prisoners (http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/meast/12/15/israel.palestinian.prisoners.release/index.html)
JERUSALEM (CNN) -- Israel released 227 Palestinian prisoners Monday in a long-debated good-will gesture to the Palestinian Authority, the Israeli Foreign Ministry said.
A "good will gesture"? Are you sure it wasn't "what is calls a good will gesture"? Clearly, CNN has vested interests in appearing pro-Israeli (http://www.mediamonitors.net/ramzy8.html).
Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas is locked in a power struggle with the Hamas movement.
The move, officially in honor of the Muslim holiday of Eid al-Adha, was also meant to bolster the reputation of Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas, whose government is locked in a power struggle with the Hamas movement, which controls the Gaza Strip.
Yes, Israel is so tolerant! In fact, look at where their new museum of tolerance is being built (another story CNN didn't run, at all):
"Museum of Tolerance" to be built over Muslim cemetery (http://www.arabamericannews.com/news/index.php?mod=article&cat=Palestine&article=1751)
A search for "Museum of Tolerance" at CNN.com turns up only external links to other articles about this story.
The Israeli government said none of the freed prisoners had "blood on their hands," an expression used to describe Palestinians Israel has charged with harming Israeli citizens.
Israel currently imprisons more than 10,000 Palestinians for security reasons.
1. Why were Palestinians with no "blood on their hands" imprisoned in the first place, then?
2. Objectivity demands that this read "...for what is says are security reasons" or some other which disassociates the reporter from the positions being described in the report. Unfortunately, the people at CNN have the same positions - Wolf Blitzer, for instance, is a former AIPAC lobbyist.
3. CNN mentions the staggering number of international prisoners held by Israel (a conservative estimate) but it does not mention that Israel's revolving-door policy since the first intifada, or the actual reasons behind the release: (http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2008/12/2008121514756987920.html)
All the prisoners to be freed are members of Fatah's armed wings, or other smaller groups, and none of them are from Hamas.
Israel has said the periodic release of small numbers of Fatah prisoners is aimed at boosting support for Abbas in his power struggle with Hamas.
Fatah, who is a more oppressive Palestinian organization than Hamas, who commits more indiscriminate, fatal attacks against Israeli citizens, is getting support from Israel against Hamas. This isn't just machiavellian - this is treason by the Israeli leaders against their own citizens.
Most of the prisoners -- 209 in all -- were taken from Ofer Prison and released at the West Point checkpoint of Beituniya into territory controlled by Abbas's secular nationalist Fatah movement.
The remaining 18 were taken from another prison and sent to cross into Gaza via the Erez crossing.
Israel's Cabinet had originally proposed releasing 250 prisoners, a number whittled down by the Ministerial Prisoner Release Committee.
Supreme Court Justice Elyakim Rubenstein issued an order Sunday to halt the prisoner release, but later reversed his decision.
b. If the IDF story is true, they're chickenshits. If I was manning a checkpoint and someone came running towards our position, and did not heed warnings, I could understand taking him down (I'm not saying I approve, just that I understand). But they shot this unarmed guy in the back, as he was running away. That's chickenshit; even US military who've done similar things in Iraq have been detained.
Well, an Israeli settler recently shot two palestinians, a boy and his father, and he was released on bail the next day. Thes anti-Pal standards are not isolated incidents, but Apartheid Israeli policy.
c. You heard it here first: Israel is revving up a major incursion into Gaza.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/meast/12/16/israel.palestinian.militant/index.html
This has been known for a while. What else is known is that Israel launches incursions into Gaza and the West Bank on a weekly, if not daily basis. What differs is that Fatah forces tend to turn a blind eye, Hamas doesn't. The size of the incursion itself is rarely a diversion - these incursions are standard practice where it is typical for the IDF to bulldoze, bomb and destroy houses indiscriminately, physically hold palestinians hostage to use as human shields, attack men, women & children indiscriminately and imprison hundreds.
So in short, don't be surprised or excited about the incursions, and don't trust CNN.
EDIT: Also, Compare your article to this one which ran today on alJazeera:
Israeli missile kills Gaza man (http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2008/12/2008121721428340460.html)
Isn't this story a bit bigger? But CNN would prefer a noble story where the Israelis execute a "terrorist."
Also, from Haaretz:
7 rockets strike western Negev; IDF troops kill Jihad man in Jenin (http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1047274.html)
Ahh, the "Palestinian Militant" was only as suspect, and the media offers no evidence at CNN or Haaretz. At least Haaretz offers background makign this clear.
CNN is a worthless, shit news outlet which cannot be trusted for even rudimentary data.
TheCultofAbeLincoln
18th December 2008, 05:17
Of course the authorities will. But that isn't the main problem - the problem is the biased media interpretation, Particularly by CNN.
You're absolutely right, it was just the the news agency I was on.
On thing I would add is that Wolf Blitzer, the man they trust to give the most comprehensive report of the worlds event, was the former head of AIPAC.
Non-biased? Yeah fuckin right.
UN attacks Israeli rights 'crimes' (http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2008/12/20081210551198584.html)
The above story ran last friday on alJazeera. This is clearly a big deal - the UN rights council also released a statement on the same day, demanding that 99 measures to improve human rights be adopted. Curious, I checked CNN to see how high the story ran, if at all.
Just to give CNN come credit...hasn't the UN been attacking Israeli rights crimes for the last 40 years?
Yes, Israel is so tolerant! In fact, look at where their new museum of tolerance is being built (another story CNN didn't run, at all):
"Museum of Tolerance" to be built over Muslim cemetery (http://www.arabamericannews.com/news/index.php?mod=article&cat=Palestine&article=1751)
Yeah I know, that'll be the most Orwellian monstrosity ever built.
A search for "Museum of Tolerance" at CNN.com turns up only external links to other articles about this story.
1. Why were Palestinians with no "blood on their hands" imprisoned in the first place, then?
Making it uncomfortable for Irsealis to live there.
2. Objectivity demands that this read "...for what is says are security reasons" or some other which disassociates the reporter from the positions being described in the report. Unfortunately, the people at CNN have the same positions - Wolf Blitzer, for instance, is a former AIPAC lobbyist.
Oh, you did mention that fact.
Fatah, who is a more oppressive Palestinian organization than Hamas, who commits more indiscriminate, fatal attacks against Israeli citizens, is getting support from Israel against Hamas. This isn't just machiavellian - this is treason by the Israeli leaders against their own citizens.
But Fatah has recognized the state of Israel, while Hamas has not.
This has been known for a while. What else is known is that Israel launches incursions into Gaza and the West Bank on a weekly, if not daily basis. What differs is that Fatah forces tend to turn a blind eye, Hamas doesn't. The size of the incursion itself is rarely a diversion - these incursions are standard practice where it is typical for the IDF to bulldoze, bomb and destroy houses indiscriminately, physically hold palestinians hostage to use as human shields, attack men, women & children indiscriminately and imprison hundreds.
Hamas has launched bottle-rocket attacks while Fatah does not, and in the my clan v your clan mentality Israel has to respond.
Of course they're going to launch a major incursion.
RGacky3
18th December 2008, 18:42
Just to give CNN come credit...hasn't the UN been attacking Israeli rights crimes for the last 40 years?
Yeah, yet somehow it NEVER makes the news anywhere, but hell, everybody knows about Chinas record, and everyone will know avery time a cop hits a guy in Venezuela.
Seriously, Isreali covorege in the US is a joke.
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