Time for a masculist movement?

[Kukulofori]

While it's true that womyn still have a lot of gains to be made, so do men. I think if men started fighting for equal rights the way womyn have, a lot of common ground could be covered.

[TC]

There was a masculinist movement, it constituted women as the first form of chattel property from the time of iron plow based agriculture to the demise of the patriarchal family's monopoly on social organization with industrialization.

[Kukulofori]

I don't have any idea what you just said.

[anarchomaniac]

You need to read more, then.

[Mujer Libre]

TC is spot on. The shole of patriarchal society is one bi masculinist movement since it works to empower men and disenfranchise women.

I don't think this is really open to dispute.

Men don't need to be liberated from being men, since it's an inherently privileged position in our society. However- there are clearly restrictive elements to gender roles themselves that would benefit men by their abolishment. But that's not claiming that men need to be freed from the oppression that face for being men.

[Hyacinth]

TC and Mujer Libre already covered it. I'll just add that while males may be oppressed, but not qua men, rather qua their class, race, sexuality, etc. Calling for a "masculinist" (sic) movement is just chauvinism.

[Hiero]

What in your mind would a masculinist movement involve?

[Dimentio]

I am apparently doing quite a good job as a woman.

Everything I have to do is to purr to get what I want.

[Kukulofori]

What in your mind would a masculinist movement involve?

A social war based on showing the negative effects that patriarchy has on men with the eventual goal of a dissolution of gender roles.

[Dimentio]

Masculinity = Patriarchy

At least, the masculine traits espoused in ideals like "cowboys and indians" and G.I Joe are inherently patriarchal. The male should be the protector of the family.

[communard resolution]

A social war based on showing the negative effects that patriarchy has on men with the eventual goal of a dissolution of gender roles.

I agree with everything you say here. But why not simply make it a post-gender movement that involves the dissolution of gender roles of both sexes? Why the emphasis on men and 'masculinist'? Isn't that counter-productive to your cause?

[StalinFanboy]

While it's true that womyn still have a lot of gains to be made, so do men. I think if men started fighting for equal rights the way womyn have, a lot of common ground could be covered.
This doesn't make sense. Men don't need to fight for equal rights for men because men already have more societal power. If anything men need to look at the ways the feminist movement have affected the collective male psyche in America (and other countries that have a feminist movement), while continuing to fight for the rights of women.

[StalinFanboy]

A social war based on showing the negative effects that patriarchy has on men with the eventual goal of a dissolution of gender roles.
I didn't read this post.

[TC]

Masculinity = Patriarchy


I don't agree. There is nothing inherently patriarchal about traits that are statistically more common in men then women (which is to say, are masculine). Its only in the social context of patriarchy that makes them seem so: people assume that the way their own society is ordered is natural so they conflate features of their society to those that exist more generally.

[Guerrilla22]

There has been a masculine movement for a long time now. Even today in popular culture the ideal male is portrayed as being strong, able to dominate other males and women. I don't think we need to reinforce this idea anymore, if anything we need to keep trying to curtail it.