Wisconsin: Know Your Local Nazis

[bcbm]

http://mke.indymedia.org/en/2008/12/210532.shtml

Here are pictures and names of some Neo-Nazis active in Wisconsin.


http://mke.indymedia.org/img/text_big.gif - 1.8M (http://mke.indymedia.org/media/2008/12//210533.pdf)

We at the ARA intelligence office spend a great deal of time researching fascist scum like the folks you'll find in this document. We decided to share some names and pictures with the public. These are Nazis active in the National Socialist Movement, who either live in, or spend a lot of time creeping around Wisconsin.

Happy Hunting,
Milwaukee ARA

[midnight marauder]

The NSM must not be doing too well...I recognize at least one of them from the National Socialist Movement march in Jefferson City, MO last month. Like, for real, you come from miles away to march with 20 other people in a state you don't even live in? I bet there was only like one or two cats there who were actually from Missouri.

[bcbm]

Yeah, a number of their group photos include people from Chicago and Detroit and they were definitely in Missouri. Paul Kester-Paletti was recently found guilty of a hate crime assault, however, and is not allowed to have contact with white supremacist organizations.

Might make his relationship with his wife tricky, as she is a unit leader...

[Kukulofori]

Ugh, those pictures made me sick to my stomach knowing that that went on in my state.

Luckily there aren't any in my town...

[AntifaUSA]

Check out the link in my signature for more nazi scum

[Sean]

http://i447.photobucket.com/albums/qq191/74757475/wisconsinnaziscum.jpg

Am I the only one who thinks the one on the left just knows this photo is a bad idea? Like "I hope this doesn't end up circulating around the town, people actually like me when I'm not denying the holocaust..."

[bcbm]

Harriet? She's SE WI unit leader, I don't think open ties to these fucks bother her.

[rednordman]

things like this scare me...whats stoping them using similar methods against us. Don't get me wrong, non of us have anything to be ashamed of, but this regardless may set presidenses. Those girls are very very stupid to be posting a picture of themselves online doing things like that, sure they deserve the obvious barage of abuse that will come to them due to this, but at the end of the day they are only simply silly little girls.
Sure its not bad that you have info, just be carefull over what you release to the public as you never know how it could come back to you.

[bcbm]

but at the end of the day they are only simply silly little girls.

Who, with their other friends, get involved in fistfights outside of bars with people of color and beat them up. These people are dangerous when they get organized and outing them and shaming them is an effective way of countering that.


Sure its not bad that you have info, just be carefull over what you release to the public as you never know how it could come back to you.

Nazis are generally cowards, I'm not terribly worried about it. They've had my personal information before and nothing ever happened, I doubt it will now. And, if it does, I'm armed... not too worried.

[rednordman]

Excuse my ignourance but whats the situation like in the USA? Im hearing alot of very bad things. Has the government or local councils been doing anything to help combat this seemingly rising far-right extremism? Im not saying that this is what happens in the UK (where i live), but if these groups of fascists are actually violent, then alarm bells should be ringing (thats aimed at the state and not you people who are obviously in the know). In my opinion, if they are investing millions on this so called war on terror, and anti-terrorist measures, mainly aimed at muslims, than the exact same should apply to nazis aswell. I mean when looking at the reports of those two young lads that plotted to kill Obama, they are rather hardcore. Call me uninformed and naive, but from what i'v seen from these European and American Nazis, they seem to be deluded and living in a fantasy land, and not really a danger. But despite the US having a right-wing back bone, i just find it difficult to grasp the fact that the youth of the USA is bringing itself to this. Theres neo-conservative which is bad and then theres Nazi. Where has it gone wrong?

[Kukulofori]

That's like 12 poeple. I'm really not worried... the only thing the US has less of than serious left-wingers is fascists.

Holoacust denial isn't llegal here or anything though, and a century ago the KKK was a serious threat but I'm not concerned in the least.

[bcbm]

Excuse my ignourance but whats the situation like in the USA? Im hearing alot of very bad things. Has the government or local councils been doing anything to help combat this seemingly rising far-right extremism? Im not saying that this is what happens in the UK (where i live), but if these groups of fascists are actually violent, then alarm bells should be ringing (thats aimed at the state and not you people who are obviously in the know). In my opinion, if they are investing millions on this so called war on terror, and anti-terrorist measures, mainly aimed at muslims, than the exact same should apply to nazis aswell. I mean when looking at the reports of those two young lads that plotted to kill Obama, they are rather hardcore. Call me uninformed and naive, but from what i'v seen from these European and American Nazis, they seem to be deluded and living in a fantasy land, and not really a danger. But despite the US having a right-wing back bone, i just find it difficult to grasp the fact that the youth of the USA is bringing itself to this. Theres neo-conservative which is bad and then theres Nazi. Where has it gone wrong?

It isn't so bad as you make out. Nazi groups have seen some growth recently and I'm guessing the Obama election will add a few more numbers, but they're still incredibly weak and find it nearly impossible to organize wherever they go.

[KC]

I know all of them.

[bcbm]

You would.

[RedAnarchist]

The troll who posted and whose posts I've edited was from Wisconsin according to his IP address.

[bcbm]

Huh?

[Junius]

I'll try and phrase my response as err... diplomatically as possible.

I see this action as a waste of time. These people are social outcasts/weirdos. One member, Paletti, punched a Mexican man and then did the Nazi salute against him. He was sentenced to two years probation for a misdemeanor battery as part of a plea agreement and also convicted of two misdemeanor counts of resisting an officer. So far as I can tell, he wasn't convicted of a 'hate crime.' Source. (http://www.jsonline.com/news/35927149.html)

So, why you see it as your political objective to do the work of police officers is beyond me. That isn't to say that I disagree with someone being charged for assaulting someone else, I don't, but I don't see it as the role for a communist to waste his/her time on fighting social outcasts and weirdos in the name of... whatever.

Seriously, you want to talk about 'fascists'; these are teenage goth girls and isolated losers. They're a pathetic non-issue.

[bcbm]

I don't see knowing who the individuals who have personally threatened my friends are as a waste of time.

[Junius]

So? I've been threatened plenty of times for plenty of reasons. I don't make a political objective out of it. And if one of these goth Nazi girls threatened me, I would probably find it mildly amusing. And if I was frightened I wouldn't call up the ARA or whatever antifa group, or try to 'fight them back' but I'd probably... call the police! Nevertheless, my original point stands.

[bcbm]

I don't believe they can ever become a meaningful political group that actually accomplishes their goals, but that doesn't mean they aren't dangerous. Organized racist and fascist groups are a threat to their community because, as you pointed out before, they already feel confident enough to start using violence when together as a group. Historically they've been capable of much worse the more organized they get and so we don't want to allow them get to that point. Naming and shaming them helps get them out of our community.

Beyond that, I think you overestimate how much time and effort really goes into this. At most collecting info is something to do when suffering from some insomnia, or perhaps an hour or two at a coffee shop every couple of months. They're working on far more than this and, really, this is one of the least active projects in Wisconsin.

[Junius]

Originally posted by bcbm
I don't believe they can ever become a meaningful political group that actually accomplishes their goals I don't either. And I don't think that even if they were organized like a clock that they would accomplish their goals. This is, unless, you see fascism as the result of a dozen individuals.


Originally posted by bcbm
but that doesn't mean they aren't dangerous. Far less dangerous/damaging than any ruling class party, or any liberals or social democrats.


Originally posted by bcbm
Organized racist and fascist groups are a threat to their community because, as you pointed out before, they already feel confident enough to start using violence when together as a group.
Originally posted by bcbm
Historically they've been capable of much worse the more organized they get and so we don't want to allow them get to that point. Naming and shaming them helps get them out of our community. I think these groups are organized. What would you call them? Spontaneous? I don't think you 'naming and shaming' them is going to do anything to their activities. They probably welcome the press. Considering they probably took these photos themselves, you're hardly 'outing' them to the public. They are quite open about their views and who they are. The photos show that they were at some gay pride march expressing their homophobic/nationalist views. I very much doubt ARA's actions are going to change a thing, except perhaps embolden them.


Originally posted by bcbm
Beyond that, I think you overestimate how much time and effort really goes into this. At most collecting info is something to do when suffering from some insomnia, or perhaps an hour or two at a coffee shop every couple of months. They're working on far more than this and, really, this is one of the least active projects in Wisconsin. I don't know where these photos came from. Considering that they are photos of the membership, I assume they were taken at a meeting by a member. The effort, therefore, probably amounts to copying and pasting their photos off whatever website/myspace/facebook they promote themselves on. In other words, I don't think this is any activity whatsoever.

[bcbm]

Far less dangerous/damaging than any ruling class party, or any liberals or social democrats.

Depends on what level we're talking about. On a local level, my democratic Alderman and his buddies aren't going to get together and jump me or my friends, or alone drag me out to the desert and shoot me. Regardless, ARA is spending less energy on boneheads and moving to more strategic targets like ICE anyway.


I think these groups are organized. What would you call them? Spontaneous?

Are you being deliberately dense?



I don't think you 'naming and shaming' them is going to do anything to their activities.

Its been a very succesful tactic for the past 20 years of ARA work in the US and Canada, actually. People generally don't like Nazis and when their neighbors and communities find out who they are, life usually gets a lot harder for them and they move on.


Considering they probably took these photos themselves, you're hardly 'outing' them to the public. They are quite open about their views and who they are. The photos show that they were at some gay pride march expressing their homophobic/nationalist views. I very much doubt ARA's actions are going to change a thing, except perhaps embolden them.

You're very much wrong. Nazi and racist organizations have been very effectively challenged by ARA over the past two decades but, as I said, its a bit of a moot point and I don't really worry too much about these boneheads anyway.

[hugsandmarxism]

Nazi's get my blood-pressure up to dangerous levels. I'll just say damn those fascist scum and be on my way, comrades ;)

[Skin_HeadBanger]

I love the sign "National Socialism = Nature's Law"
I'm pretty anarchism/autonomy is much closer to natural law.:laugh:

I hate assholes like these that dare call themselves skinheads. Fuck boneheads.

These people are scum. The sooner they are eradicated, the better.

[lombas]

What's up with their arms anyway? Do they have like a terrible itch or som'ing?

[augustus]

Man those people are ugly! How can they look in the mirror everyday and believe that the "Arayan race" are the perfect specimens of humanity.
insane delusional pricks...

[KC]

It's not really a political issue as it is much more of a safety issue.