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piet11111
12th December 2008, 15:20
http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20026861.500-did-our-cosmos-exist-before-the-big-bang.html?DCMP=NLC-nletter&nsref=mg20026861.500


ABHAY ASHTEKAR (http://www.gravity.psu.edu/people/Ashtekar/) remembers his reaction the first time he saw the universe bounce. "I was taken aback," he says. He was watching a simulation of the universe rewind towards the big bang. Mostly the universe behaved as expected, becoming smaller and denser as the galaxies converged. But then, instead of reaching the big bang "singularity", the universe bounced and started expanding again. What on earth was happening?
Ashtekar wanted to be sure of what he was seeing, so he asked his colleagues to sit on the result for six months before publishing it (http://link.aps.org/abstract/PRL/v96/e141301) in 2006. And no wonder. The theory that the recycled universe was based on, called loop quantum cosmology (LQC), had managed to illuminate the very birth of the universe - something even Einstein's general theory of relativity fails to do.
LQC has been tantalising physicists since 2003 with the idea that our universe could conceivably have emerged from the collapse of a previous universe. Now the theory is poised to make predictions we can actually test. If they are verified, the big bang will give way to a big bounce and we will finally know the quantum structure of space-time. Instead of a universe that emerged from a point of infinite density, we will have one that recycles, possibly through an eternal series of expansions and contractions, with no beginning and no end.


LQC is in fact the first tangible application of another theory called loop quantum gravity, which cunningly combines Einstein's theory of gravity with quantum mechanics. We need theories like this to work out what happens when microscopic volumes experience an extreme gravitational force, as happened near the big bang, for example. In the mid 1980s, Ashtekar rewrote the equations of general relativity in a quantum-mechanical framework. Together with theoretical physicists Lee Smolin and Carlo Rovelli, Ashtekar later used this framework to show that the fabric of space-time is woven from loops of gravitational field lines. Zoom out far enough and space appears smooth and unbroken, but a closer look reveals that space comes in indivisible chunks, or quanta, 10-35 square metres in size.


well it certainly gets rid of the big bang singularity that current physics can not explain.

synthesis
12th December 2008, 16:20
I find it easier to believe that the universe always existed than that it literally appeared out of nowhere.

butterfly
12th December 2008, 16:25
I think life lacks subtance without such questions

piet11111
12th December 2008, 21:47
I find it easier to believe that the universe always existed than that it literally appeared out of nowhere.

but even 'always' has to have a beginning sometime otherwise you would still end up with something out of nothing.

Lynx
12th December 2008, 22:28
I thought a singularity was the inherent property of zero dimensional space. Just as an infinite void might be the inherent property of 3-dimensional space. But then you add matter, energy and time and things get complicated :(