a world without war...possible?

[danyboy27]

seriously, do you believe that one day there will be no war?

Personally, i think that there will be wars forever, even in complete communist society.

not having war would mean that 100% of the population would achieve a complete form of wisdom and harmony, and i dont think its possible.

[Bud Struggle]

seriously, do you believe that one day there will be no war?

Personally, i think that there will be wars forever, even in complete communist society.

not having war would mean that 100% of the population would achieve a complete form of wisdom and harmony, and i dont think its possible.

Does RevLeft live in peace amd harmony? How about the Commie Club? Cambodia and Vietman? The SU and China? The SU and Hungary, the SU and Czechoslovakia?

People dislike each other for other reasons than econimics.

After the Revolution my Soviet (that is the one I will be in charge of doing the people's will) will have all our comrades working ten hours a day six days a week to contribute to the good of all society. No drugs or liquor. The industrious people of our Soviet MAY JUST decide make war on those Soviets that are less hard working and we may just couquor them and show them the proper way to be good Communists. All in the name of the Revolution, of course.

And so the Soviet shall vote. :hammersickle::redstar2000:

[Anti Freedom]

I think greater universal economic prosperity will reduce the likelihood of war. A major factor in a war, is the ease of war, and the possibility of victory. If wars become more universally difficult, and harder to win, then wars will be less common, and greater geographic economic equality would do that.

I also think that a more interconnected humanity will be less likely to go to war. If people can talk to other people from other areas with greater ease, then they will not want to go to war with those people they know. As well, if there are economic connections, like trade ties, then there would be a greater cost to war, and trade ties are unlikely to go away as regional specialization would likely continue, even if the current economies of scale are artificially too large.

Finally, I think the nation-state is rather artificial and supports war, if we live in a world without states, or at least dramatically smaller states(geographically, and in coercive nature), then there would be no super-powers, and thus no major powers of domination and war, and I don't see coalitions of a *lot* of groups to be likely, nor do I see bad neighbors being much tolerated, so because of that, there would be a lack of will to war.

In any case, I think localized conflicts, such as that found in crime, and such would still exist, but not "Operation Free Middle Eastern Oil".

[TheCultofAbeLincoln]

I think the higher powers will never war against each other again (thanks completely to nukes).

But at the same time, we will all agree to continue fighting wars against groups which are not as developed and may pose a threat to our lifestyle. These groups will be completely ignorant of the scientific progress we've made on the genetic-nanotechnology-transhumanist front.

Then we, the mortals which harness these gods in our hands, create a better, new, perfected race of man. This new man will be raised by the great powers while all other citizens are either sterilized from childbirth or their children are altered to become compatible so that in the next generation, following mating with a new man/woman, the offspring thereof will be completely equal to the new men. Th new men, who will be better than you, shall be created using artificial conception. In this way the heirs to the planet shall be born.

The only question pertains to the masses, and there soon to be 1,000,000,000+ annual growth. Will they understand the necessity of our replacing them, or will we have to eradicate them? Of course, I don't mean we. We have no right to murder an equal human being. But as for the new men, they have a right to this planet, just as before we had the right to kill the neanderthal to extinction, along with other primal offspring. There was not enough resources to sustain both, therefore the more intelligent species had the right to take what was necessary.

The new men will replace us, by the sword if necessary. War will no longer be looked at "not possible," but necessary in the way a forest fire destroys ancient vegetation and allows new, better growth. Homo Sapiens have overstayed the welcome, and they are now a scourge upon the land.

[Dust Bunnies]

(Before I begin, I will just say I am a noob at this stuff)

Will there be violence after the revolution? Yes, there will, whether it will be from one man with a bomb or an armed uprising, it is stupid to think that pixies and unicorns will roam freely post revolution. But, war will go from something common to something very rare. I believe there are 3 main causes for war (I use 3 since it is also such a great number also).

1. Imperialism: making sure everyone does your will across the globe

2. Economic: resources run out, exploiting just doesn't happen on itself you know?

3. Showing who has the bigger army: Sometimes you just have to show off right?

Number 1, will not happen anymore because we will become united, into one earth instead of many scribbles. Number 2, will not happen, or if it does happen it will be once every 1000 years, because hopefully the people of the world will unite and share for once. Number 3, will not happen, because people will be too busy making music and living life instead of showing that their cock is bigger than their neighbor's.

[marxist578]

It's possible, only, in my opinion, when these two factors are worked out:

1. World Resources

2. Religion


The war for resources will end when we start to develop the use of natural gas, and when the U.S. ends it's stupid imperialist ways.

Wars for religion will hopefully filter itself out, when Man will finally realize that they looked very stupid and retarded fighting over something that was used to control them thousands of years ago.

[TheCultofAbeLincoln]

The war for resources will end when we start to develop the use of natural gas, and when the U.S. ends it's stupid imperialist ways.

Most of the time the US enters a conflict, it doesn't create the initial conflict itself. Therefore, too say the US is the sole instigator of all (it certainly is of some) of the worlds war is a bit of a stretch.

Even to say that, "If US stopped warring on other nations, it would prove a more peaceful world," could also be without a basis of study. For example, who knows what would have happened if we hadn't expelled Saddam from Kuwait. Perhaps the war would have expanded to the entire Arabian peninsula, resulting in extremely high oil prices (which could easily be a source of more conflict). It's all speculation, of course.


Wars for religion will hopefully filter itself out, when Man will finally realize that they looked very stupid and retarded fighting over something that was used to control them thousands of years ago.Hopefully yes. Or Jesus comes back to save us from nuking ourselves over Jesus issues.

But with that said, I don't believe that a lot of the fighting over religion is really that per se, but is actually something with unites ethnicities who feel that outside cultures have invaded, physically or via the media, and that the native culture needs to withstand.

[Dr Mindbender]

war is an means of creating artificial scarcity in times of crisis. Capitalism was thrown a lifeline during the economic slump of the early twentieth C thanks to WW2. Demand for more tanks, more planes, guns and ships and lots of dead people meant lots of profit, less working people complaining about their lot and a common cross class enemy to divert attention.

So in short, a world without war is possible but first we need a world without scarcity economics.

[Dóchas]

for wars not to exist it would mean that every single person on the whole planet would have to get along and agree with each other this wishful thinking and will never happen unfortunately people will disagree with each other and in the end this will lead to wars in the long run

[Dr Mindbender]

for wars not to exist it would mean that every single person on the whole planet would have to get along and agree with each other this wishful thinking and will never happen unfortunately people will disagree with each other and in the end this will lead to wars in the long run

Very few agreements on a personal level have resulted in full scale warfare. Most wars have idealogical, economic or territorial motives that are mainly indictments of the capitalist system of national boundaries. I think the OP was referring specifically to international warfare.

[danyboy27]

Very few agreements on a personal level have resulted in full scale warfare. Most wars have idealogical, economic or territorial motives that are mainly indictments of the capitalist system of national boundaries. I think the OP was referring specifically to international warfare.


no, i was refering to war, at large.

[Vendetta]

I'd like to think that there wouldn't be wars, but, I just can't.

[Dr Mindbender]

no, i was refering to war, at large.

Very few people refer to their personal disagreements as a 'war'. I dont see eye to eye with half of the CC but it doesnt mean i want to shoot them.

I don't think i'd want to live in a world where no disagreement per se was allowed and we all had to live as doped up obedient ants. Saying you support this is very different to saying you are 'anti-war'.

[Dr Mindbender]

I'd like to think that there wouldn't be wars, but, I just can't.

In order to draw a decision on this, you have to look at the root motives of war (in the sense i mean) removing these roots removes the need for war so it is very possible.

[bruce]

So in short, a world without war is possible but first we need a world without scarcity economics.

I agree but I don't think you can exclude religon from this thought

[danyboy27]

i think that war like we used to see in the 30s is relatively over, but the low intensity conflict will exist forever.

there will always be some assole now and then trying to impose their view yeilding machete and rifle, and i think that we should work together in a possible communist society to deal with that on a constant basis.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

i think that war like we used to see in the 30s is relatively over, but the low intensity conflict will exist forever.

...Unless things go completely wahoonie-shaped for the major world powers. Depending on how desperate/mad/bad/sad our evil oppressors will be, the weather might turn thermonuclear, with an estimated high of 3 million degrees. But hopefully none of us will wake to find it's suddenly sunrise at midnight.

[FuckYoCouch]

So Long as Humanity Exists, there will always be War. i dont care what Craaaazy left wing utopia is Planed. :thumbup:

[trivas7]

I think the higher powers will never war against each other again.

For a second there I thought you were referring to Milton's Paradise Lost.

[FuckYoCouch]

For a second there I thought you were referring to Milton's Paradise Lost.

i think he is ignoring the fact that humanity will fight over scraps when Oil Runs out. also the rest of the natural resources

[Killfacer]

...Unless things go completely wahoonie-shaped for the major world powers. Depending on how desperate/mad/bad/sad our evil oppressors will be, the weather might turn thermonuclear, with an estimated high of 3 million degrees. But hopefully none of us will wake to find it's suddenly sunrise at midnight.

I think i'll stay inside for that one.

[duffers]

too say the US is the sole instigator of all (it certainly is of some) of the worlds war is a bit of a stretch.

The US has bombed a country almost yearly since the nukes in Japan. More often than not, it's been involved in a conflict, war or battle, more than any other country.

And expelling Saddam. Funny notion that. Remember when the US installed him to prevent communism in Iraq?

[TheCultofAbeLincoln]

i think he is ignoring the fact that humanity will fight over scraps when Oil Runs out. also the rest of the natural resources

Uh, you do know we can make oil artificially?


The US has bombed a country almost yearly since the nukes in Japan. More often than not, it's been involved in a conflict, war or battle, more than any other country.Yes but most of those conflicts were already happening so to say that US intervention caused the conflict would be false.


And expelling Saddam. Funny notion that. Remember when the US installed him to prevent communism in Iraq? Ah the revisionism.

Saddam put himself in power by overthrowing his cousin.

[FuckYoCouch]

[quote=TheCultofAbeLincoln;1322981]Uh, you do know we can make oil artificially?
i was referring not to oil when i said scraps. because when the oil runs out.. there wont be any scraps left.... we'l fight over other natural resources.

[casper]

wars will stop eventually.
when the roots of war and the false separation of humanity are destroyed.
globalization, technology, education etc are helping to teach that all men are brothers
all war is civil war
when more people realize that, i think there will be less of a will to war.

also, the other roots of war will hopefully wither.
like scarcity of resources. we'll find ways.

[FuckYoCouch]

wars will stop eventually.
when the roots of war and the false separation of humanity are destroyed.
globalization, technology, education etc are helping to teach that all men are brothers
all war is civil war
when more people realize that, i think there will be less of a will to war.

also, the other roots of war will hopefully wither.
like scarcity of resources. we'll find ways.


You cannot Destroy the Root Cause of War without Destroying humanity its Self

[casper]

if so, then humanity will be destroyed, and in its place will stand something better.
but i don't think war is a fundamental or intrinsic human thing, i think it is a product.

[FuckYoCouch]

if so, then humanity will be destroyed, and in its place will stand something better.
but i don't think war is a fundamental or intrinsic human thing, i think it is a product. What do you referr to when you say something better than humanity?

[casper]

if humanity has as part of its definition that the thirst for blood and war is a inherent characteristic of being human. then when that desire isn't present, there wouldn't be humanity. but i don't believe that humans are inherently desirous of war. war is a product, not a human need. when the roots of war are dealt with, so will be war. humanity will still exist with out war, because war isn't necessary.food, air, etc are though. humanity isn't a root cause of war, rather i think one root of war is a lack of subsistence(not just food). War is only going to happen so long as it is useful. when it loses its utility, its attractiveness, it will become history.

[Brother No. 1]

a world without war yet through out all of human history there has been wars for everything but each time there were less and less so maybe we will get a eternal peace yet also maybe not because of humanitiy's aggression aganist itself.

[Phalanx]

Exactly. People seems to get caught up in the hysteria of the media, who lead us to believe the world is racing toward destruction. The fact is, compared to our history, humanity's trend is towards a peaceful life. In hunter-gatherer times, 1 out of every 200 people on the planet would die as a result of conflict every year. Now, living in a small town in the Midwest, I can't imagine that sort of high level (10 dead out of a population of 2,000 every year!).

[Brother No. 1]

so you agree with my point comrade

[Phalanx]

Yes, I agree. The historical trend points towards it.

[Brother No. 1]

yes it does ever since our ansestors found out the killing of rocks and bones we have been just been building more powerful things to kill our selfs untill now we have developed weapns that can kill millions in only a few seconds.

[Phalanx]

Right, now we're just more hesitant to use the sticks and rocks because we fear the consequences.

[Brother No. 1]

yes we do we may destroy the world but not our selfs

[Brother No. 1]

when we descovered killing we became addicted to it.

[Kassad]

War is a product of imperialism which is a direct result of capitalism. Every war that the United States has entered since the 20th century has been dominated and maintained by the corporate and banking elite because war is good for their interests.

If a socialist revolution managed to spread across continents, war would become unnecessary because everyone would have their basic necessities. Without profit being made from war, who would want to promote it? Yes, I do see conflicts, but conflicts with nuclear arms and weapons of mass destruction? Not a chance. As long as capitalism grips the world, we will build bigger bombs, bigger armies and threaten our brothers until every last one of us is dead.

[Brother No. 1]

the Capitalist scourage it tends to make us fight each other always.