What will end the Greek riots?

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The shooting of a teenage boy in Greece has prompted rioting. What will end the violence?

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[Enragé]

revolution or repression, possibly fascistoid, possibly aided by the KKE (in the same way as the PCF helped bring an end to Paris '68)

[jake williams]

Shit, I wish I could've gotten first and could've just said "REVOLUTION!" Oh well.

Anybody know anything about what's going down in Greece right now? I swear to god like two weeks ago I was all, we gotta watch Greece right now!

[Wanted Man]

revolution or repression, possibly fascistoid, possibly aided by the KKE (in the same way as the PCF helped bring an end to Paris '68)
LOL. If you want to talk about fascistoid repression involving the KKE, it would be against them. Hooded men were allowed past the police to attack the KKE actions. Who's serving the state now? And of course, the PCF was a revisionist party that called on the workers to end the strikes and go back to work. The KKE supports the general strike.

[Pawn Power]

"What will end the violence?"

Boredom. Can't riot forever.

[Wanted Man]

Anyway, to answer the question, the violence will end when justice is done.

[Enragé]

LOL. If you want to talk about fascistoid repression involving the KKE, it would be against them. Hooded men were allowed past the police to attack the KKE actions. Who's serving the state now? And of course, the PCF was a revisionist party that called on the workers to end the strikes and go back to work. The KKE supports the general strike.

i said possibly

the KKE's attitude to the riots and SYRIZA concerns me. That and historical precedents leads me to conclude its a possibility.

[Wanted Man]

Yeah, but it's a ridiculous possibility if one takes some time figuring out what they intend to say, instead of just making a self-fulfilling prophecy based on one's own misinterpretations of the facts (zomg, there's a real revolution going on, but teh slatinists will betray it... :rolleyes:). As for their statements on SYRIZA, now there are some "historical precedents"!

Show solidarity instead of just being like: "Oh, yeah, they want to betray the revolution" about anyone who wants to build a mass movement, instead of just some big riots that will eventually get isolated and fizzle out if the rioters allow it to happen.

A good statement: http://www.kne.gr/729.html



Peoples movement means that every place of work, each school, each classroom, neighbourhood, the farm land, the road of small shops to become a fortress of action. Movement based on the class orientation, according to its organization in each sector of economy, one for all and all for one. A movement not generally emancipated of the power but concretely emancipated of the power of monopolies and the imperialist commitments


No one can miss and cannot be absent in the big demonstrations tomorrow
for a 100% successful strike on Wednesday.


We have struggles tomorrow and the day after ….

[nuisance]

Hooded men were allowed past the police to attack the KKE actions. Who's serving the state now?
If this is true, it's more likely to have been the hooded and plain clothes people hanging around with the police in the street- fascists and undercover coppers.
If you haven't heard, a right wing extremist party has been brought in by the cops to combat the protestors. There's links and pics on indymedia.

[Wanted Man]

If this is true, it's more likely to have been the hooded and plain clothes people hanging around with the police in the street- fascists and undercover coppers.
If you haven't heard, a right wing extremist party has been brought in by the cops to combat the protestors. There's links and pics on indymedia.
Probably true, I wouldn't doubt that at all (could you give the link, btw?). Yet some people on RevLeft went batshit crazy when the KKE statements mentioned that they were attacked by these provocateurs, and condemned them. And these people justified their (the provocateurs') actions. As if the KKE are the bad guys because they want a long-term effect, instead of just some riots that will go down as a footnote in history and give us some pretty pictures of small shops burning.

There is nothing wrong with riots in essence, but it should affect the big capital, not just the small shops and banks in town. Otherwise, it's completely divorced from the mass struggle, and it's just going to anger some petty-bourgeois shopkeepers.

[nuisance]

http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2008/12/414797.html
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2008/12/414784.html
www.occupiedlondon.org/blog

[Cheung Mo]

Could tomorrow's strike lead to the collapse of the Greek government and of the bourgeois given the insurrections that are already occurring?

[Djehuti]

Interesting that the police and the fascist groups are openly working together.

http://www.occupiedlondon.org/blog/2008/12/10/311am-patras-this-is-what-a-junta-looks-like/


An older clip that shows the same thing:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njgRrqOMpAE

[Dimentio]

The riots will probably flare up and down until Greece gets a social-democrat or left-wing government. I think its a very polarised country.

[Bilan]

Time, repression or revolution.

[Cheung Mo]

The riots will probably flare up and down until Greece gets a social-democrat or left-wing government. I think its a very polarised country.

55 - 60% leftist, but the electoral system allows the right to win false majorities every time people abandon the corrupt PASOK to support the Communists or the Left.

[skki]

"What will end the violence?"

Boredom. Can't riot forever.
Hopefully they'll get bored of rioting and start revolting. Greece has an awful lot of anarchists. This boy getting shot might just be the spark that sets the whole thing alight.

Probably not, but we can always hope.

[Guerrilla22]

Unfortunately at some point the government will bring in enough cops and or soldiers to contain the protesters and restore the status quo, that's how it usually ends.:(

[Lumpen Bourgeois]

What will end the riots?

Perhaps some small concessions from the government which may calm the rioters down and eventually quell their disruptive activity all together. Possibly more military action, though it may not be in the government's best interest to use this strategy only because it may incite more anger from the rest of the Greek population who are not already active. But the Greek government may not be viewing the situation from this perspective.

Revolution? I doubt it, but who knows?

[Enragé]

the events of wednesday and thursday will decide the outcome. There is a lot of momentum, and it isnt an understatement to say that there might be a revolution. It certainly is the closest thing to it in europe since Paris and Prague '68.

[Comrade B]

I haven't gotten to read too much on this, but can anyone verify for me if the anarchists and communists are working together on this one? I would have to say I would be pretty pleased with that. We can't fight capitalism with so much sectarianism. After revolution we must work out the differences

[Drace]

A revolution?

[optimist]

kke the stalinists party in greece (about 8% in the elections)walks alone,they demonstrate they shout and then they go home.they dont want to mess with other parties or organisations and they have the attitude if you are not with us you are against us.syriza (soft line communists ,a coalition with a lot of different organizations from maoists to greens,5% in the last elections but with growing numbers in the recent polls)takes part in the mass open demonstrations,that everyone takes place from angry 13-year old students to civil cervants unions.the anarchists groups also walk with the people.these mass demonstrations turns to riots in the last days.if it was up to kke members nothing would had happened,noone would hear about the reaction of greek youths.they would walk to the parliament shout a little and then they went back to their "cores" to discuss about stalin and what a great guy he was. kke is against the riots claiming that wont help the workers causes and that provocators are behind the angry youths.kke is proud because in its own demonstrations nothing happened and are well-guarded,taking the credit for that even from the far-right parties.kke's attitude gives argument to the conservatives who say that hooligans,immigrants,"secret services",traitors are behind the riots and the government must do whatever it takes to stop them before "greece is destroyed".this propaganda last night (tuesday to wednesday),had results.in patra and larissa "angry citizens"(fascists)alongside with the police confront the protesters ,mostly anarchists, arrests were made,and beatings and stabbings of protesters were reportred.

[Comrade B]

I read in the NY Times some conservative saying that the "Extremism" not the riots or the protests, but the ideology "must be put to an end" or some mass-murder creepy thing of the sort