An Apology to Americans... - For Urban Rubble =)

[Liberty Lover]

Quote: from felicia on 2:59 am on July 29, 2003
COMRADE RAF
humour me...... right now, off the top of your head, give me a list of the "nationalistic" canadians on this board, I want names people....


I'll have a shot:

Felicia
Crazy Pete
RedCanada

I'm sure I could list many more if I really put my mind to it.

[Felicia]

Quote: from Liberty Lover on 5:17 am on July 28, 2003

I'll have a shot:

Felicia
Crazy Pete
RedCanada

I'm sure I could list many more if I really put my mind to it.
ok, there are 3 Canadian members, but I said "nationalistic" canadian members. Pete isn't nationalistic, not in comparison to the way you think I'm acting, and redcanada hardly ever posts anymore so you can't be sure of that, I've never seen anything nationalistic from him. There are many more canadian members than that, none seem to be nationalistic.
Sorry, please spin again.

[Urban Rubble]

"
Ohh what like soccer?
Rowing?
Cricket?
Snooker?
Triple Jump?
Most running events?
Curling?
Long Jump?
etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc

We (as in the rest of the world) may be shit but give us some credit."

I wasn't trying to say the rest of the world was shit. I just thought it was incredibly funny that he brought up them beating us in Hockey, ignoring the fact that the U.S usually dominates the games. Think of something better to insult us with than our athletes, because we have shown time and time again that they will dominate MOST sports.

Also, I wouldn't really consider Curling or Rowing "sports". As for the running events, the U.S has a pretty damn good record at Track and Field.

[Sabocat]

from Felicia:

"Your head's full of shit.
we leach off the success of your country huh? Well, while your country is currently going through an economic slump, our is getting increasingly stronger and our dollar went up nearly 5 cents in less than 2 DAYS.... "

Canada's economy is hardly strong with 7.7-8% unemployment. Some areas like N.S are 8.8% while others, like Newfoundland are as high as 15%.

http://www1.sympatico.ca/hispeed/flash/fla...employment.html (http://www1.sympatico.ca/hispeed/flash/flash_unemployment.html)

The exchange rate currently is:

Date: 1 in Canadian dollars equals: Exchange rate:

28 Jul 2003 0.72 US dollars (noon) 0.7236 (1.3819)

If you look at the results, you will see that the Canadian dollar has dropped almost 3 cents since July, 4th, and is currently back to the level set in May. In fact, there has not been an increase by 5 cents, if you counted the last 5 days, it's only gone up 1 cent. Here are the July numbers:

02 Jul 2003 0.75 US dollars (noon) 0.7483 (1.3363)
03 Jul 2003 0.75 US dollars (noon) 0.7482 (1.3365)
04 Jul 2003 0.75 US dollars (noon) 0.7458 (1.3409)
07 Jul 2003 0.74 US dollars (noon) 0.7416 (1.3484)
08 Jul 2003 0.73 US dollars (noon) 0.7304 (1.3691)
09 Jul 2003 0.73 US dollars (noon) 0.7273 (1.3749)
10 Jul 2003 0.72 US dollars (noon) 0.7235 (1.3821)
11 Jul 2003 0.73 US dollars (noon) 0.7267 (1.3761)
14 Jul 2003 0.73 US dollars (noon) 0.7279 (1.3739)
15 Jul 2003 0.72 US dollars (noon) 0.7179 (1.3929)
16 Jul 2003 0.72 US dollars (noon) 0.7214 (1.3861)
17 Jul 2003 0.72 US dollars (noon) 0.7158 (1.3971)
18 Jul 2003 0.71 US dollars (noon) 0.7085 (1.4114)
21 Jul 2003 0.71 US dollars (noon) 0.7116 (1.4052)
22 Jul 2003 0.71 US dollars (noon) 0.7084 (1.4116)
23 Jul 2003 0.71 US dollars (noon) 0.7147 (1.3991)
24 Jul 2003 0.72 US dollars (noon) 0.7162 (1.3962)
25 Jul 2003 0.72 US dollars (noon) 0.7240 (1.3812)
28 Jul 2003 0.72 US dollars (noon)

http://www.bankofcanada.ca/cgi-bin/famecgi_fdps

[Felicia]

disgustipated
I didn't mean 5 cents in the past few days. A month or so ago it went from the 60's to about 74 cents. now it's at about 72 cents. up from late last year when it must have been around 62 cents..... our dollar IS getting stronger at a nice pace.

urban
I didn't bring up the hockey, as you can see, I didn't write that "apology". Of course rowing and curling are sports, you just must not have done very well in them...

[Felicia]

HEY Urban Rubble, I know that you wont stop nagging at me until I make an apology to your people, the Americans. So here it is, packaged and mailed, Canadian style!!!!!! From Canada to the US of A....

Don't thank me, thank Rick Mercer!!!!!!! :biggrin:



On behalf of Canadians everywhere, I'd like to offer an apology to the United States of America. We haven't been getting along very well recently and for that, I am truly sorry.

I'm sorry we called George Bush a moron. He is a moron, but it wasn't nice of us to point it out. If it's any consolation, the fact that he's a moron shouldn't reflect poorly on the people of America. After all, it's not like you actually elected him.

I'm sorry about our softwood lumber. Just because we have more trees than you doesn't give us the right to sell you lumber that's cheaper and better than your own. It would be like if, well, say you have 10 times the television audience we did and you flood our market with great shows, cheaper than we could produce. I know you would never do that.

I'm sorry we beat you in Olympic hockey. In our defense I guess our excuse would be that our team was much, much, much, much better than yours. As a way of our apology, please accept all of our Canadian NHL teams, which one by one are going out of business and moving to your fine country.

I'm sorry about our waffling on Iraq. I mean, when you're going up against a crazed dictator, you want to have your friends by your side. I realize it took more than two years before you guys pitched in against Hitler, but that was different: Everyone knew he had weapons.

I'm sorry we burnt down your White-House during the war of 1812. I see you've rebuilt it! It's very nice.

I'm sorry for Alen Thick, Shania Twain, Celen Dion, Lover Boy, the song from Sherif that ends with the high pitched end note, your beer. I know we had nothing to do with your beer, but we feel your pain.

And finally on behalf of all Canadians, I'm sorry that we're constantly apologizing for things in a passive-aggressive way, which is really a thinly veiled criticism. I sincerely hope that you're not upset over this, because, we've seen what you do to countries with whom you get upset with. For 22 Minutes, I'm Anthony St.Joseph, I'm Canadian. And I'm sorry.

--- Rick Mercer.

[Non-Sectarian Bastard!]

I really love it :D :P :D :P :D

[Ghost Writer]

I told you that you had her on the ropes Urban Rubble. It would sadden me to see you defeated by the likes of this piss poor Canadian. By the way, I still won't be visiting Canada this summer, and I definitely won't knowingly buy Canadian products. You are worse than the French when it comes to stabbing a friend in the back. From all of us Americans to Canada, fuck off and die. Soon you will be annexed.

[Vinny Rafarino]

This one was good comrade rubble.


most specifically this one;

"I'm sorry for Alen Thick, Shania Twain, Celen Dion, Lover Boy, the song from Sherif that ends with the high pitched end note, your beer. I know we had nothing to do with your beer, but we feel your pain. "

[LOIC]

You are worse than the French when it comes to stabbing a friend in the back.

For most of the french the u$ government is not considered as a friend, so I don't know why you say that french have stabbed a friend in the back.
In fact, the u$a have less and less friends except some assholes like berlusconi and blair.

[Felicia]

I'm glad that you guys like my apology :biggrin:

Now time for my signatures....Rick mercer is a master.

"The US is our trading partner, our neighbour, our ally and our friend... and sometimes we'd like to give them such a smack!"
---Rick Mercer, "This Hour Has 22 Minutes


ghost writer
Not having scum like you in my country would be a great relief. Annexed huh? most canadians DO NOT want to be with the US, but then again, our government listens to the people..
"I just think you Westerners should take over this country if you are so smart."
-----Pierre Trudeau

Kiss my ass ignorant american, If I knew you in real life I'd tear you a new one!!!!!

[Elect Marx]

Quote: from Ghost Writer on 9:37 pm on July 28, 2003
I told you that you had her on the ropes Urban Rubble. It would sadden me to see you defeated by the likes of this piss poor Canadian. By the way, I still won't be visiting Canada this summer, and I definitely won't knowingly buy Canadian products. You are worse than the French when it comes to stabbing a friend in the back. From all of us Americans to Canada, fuck off and die. Soon you will be annexed.

Speak for yourself. That was funny! I bet Canada will cry over the US, wink wink. America is the country stabbing people in the back and then there are the bombs. I hope Canada cuts relations with the US. Every other country should do the same. Then we can revolt! Then thank Canada for the support.

[Felicia]

Rick Mercer is like a comedy God up here :biggrin:

But I doin't htink that I was clear in my initial "apology" ro Urban.... I in no way retract what I said earlier about americans, this is for comedic relief only, so keep your false sense of gratification to yourself before you get embarassed :biggrin:

[Ex Nihilo]

The only reason Canada has any power in the world is because of it's size and proximity to the U.S. Canada's GDP is a mere $923 billion while ours exceeds $10 trillion. We are in possession of over 18,000 nuclear warheads of which 12,000 are fully assembled and active. Canada's population is around 31 million, ours is close to 300 million. Our military is the most advanced on Earth. WE were the one's that landed on the moon. And WE have been fully independent of the British empire for well over two hundred years. Our head of state is the elected president of the United States, not the Queen of England.

Canada is a pitiful backwater nation that has done nothing but leach off the success of the U.S. and it's mother country (England), it has never done anything truly great, and history will eventually forget it ever existed.

[Zombie]

Is rick mercier the same guy from "made in canada" ? Short curly hair?

I love that show. very witty.

[Invader Zim]

Quote: from Ex Nihilo on 1:22 am on July 29, 2003
The only reason Canada has any power in the world is because of it's size and proximity to the U.S. Canada's GDP is a mere $923 billion while ours exceeds $10 trillion. We are in possession of over 18,000 nuclear warheads of which 12,000 are fully assembled and active. Canada's population is around 31 million, ours is close to 300 million. Our military is the most advanced on Earth. WE were the one's that landed on the moon. And WE have been fully independent of the British empire for well over two hundred years. Our head of state is the elected president of the United States, not the Queen of England.

Canada is a pitiful backwater nation that has done nothing but leach off the success of the U.S. and it's mother country (England), it has never done anything truly great, and history will eventually forget it ever existed.


Our head of state is the elected president of the United States, not the Queen of England.


She's head of our state as well, but every body knows its meaningless and wishes to keep it that way, except ignorant conservatives like your self who wish to give the queen more power...

We are in possession of over 18,000 nuclear warheads of which 12,000 are fully assembled and active.

and thats a good thing...

As far as I have heard the UK is in possession of only 100, yet it is enough to cover the world 5 times over with deadly radio active fallout. I rather think that your government is over spending there.

Our military is the most advanced on Earth.

Well considering British and Israeli troops are currently training yank troops in urban combat for Iraq, it kind of makes that a little hard to believe. Small highly trained armys have always defeated large under trained army. History has shown this repeatedly.

The only reason Canada has any power in the world is because of it's size and proximity to the U.S.

I am rather under the impression that most Canadians dont really want to be a super power.

WE were the one's that landed on the moon.

But not the first in space.

Canada's population is around 31 million, ours is close to 300 million.

That only proves that most yanks cant use a condom to any effect.

and it's mother country (England),

I dont think that Britain has ever leached of its colonys and dominions rather the other way around.

I rather think you should read your history mate.

[Urban Rubble]

Felicia, you crack me up. You complain and complain and complain about me perpetuating (do you know what this word means) the agrument, then you start a thread with a sarcastic jab at America thinly veiled as an apology.

Well, you've done it now, I can see this argument is not going to stop anytime soon. We might as well admit that this will be the new Tyler vs Felicia thread, because I hate you and I will not let up.

In all honesty, I'm amazed at this shit. As I have stated over and over, I am no defender of the United States policies, leaders and methods. However, most of this America bashing comes from envy. Most of the countries that bash us (Cuba excluded) are no better, just less powerful. They would be doing the same thing in our position because, let's face it, most world leaders are corrupt or just plain evil. I will admit, Canada's government IS more socially aware than our government, they seem to care for their people more, but this does not mean they are a GOOD government.

We are all leftists, correct ? So how is it that you can so whole heartedly defend a Capitalist government ? I find that odd, and highly hypocritical.

I've told you before, I am %100 percent opposed to our government and leaders, but you act as though Canada is some northern utopia, it is NOT. You are nationalist scum and you make me fucking sick.

What really baffles me about you nationalist pigs is this: Your parents had sex and then gave birth to you on a certain side of an imaginary line, so you allow yourself to be brainwashed into thinking your side of this imaginary line is better than the other.

You forgot to apologize for Bryan Adams, Avril Lavigne, shitty food, Sum 41, curling, and worst of all, mullets.

Why is it that Canadian trends are all the same trends that America had 10 years ago ? Why is it that you guys dress like it's 1985 ?

As for apologzing for your hockey win in the Olympics, we're sorry for smearing you (and the rest of the world) in every other event.

The beer thing, I agree, most U.S beer is shitty, but if you think that piss that you call Kokanee and Molson is any better than you are off your fucking rocker.

[Urban Rubble]

One last thing Felicia, this whole thing started out as me defending my people, nothing more. I agree with most of your views on my government. I can admit my countries strong points and their weak points, you however seem to think that Canada has none.

Nationalist SCUM.

[Zombie]

Your people is actually not your people.
I believe they originated from Europe?

[Vinny Rafarino]

I do agree comrade Rubble, the Canadians on this forum really are quite nationalistic for "socialists". I have never seen so many "socialists" create topics with such stark defense for a capitalist nation before. It leads one to question their motives.

[Felicia]

Zombie
Yeah, that's the same guy. But that show isn't very funny compares to 22 minutes :cheesy:
But he left that show and was replaced with Colin Mochery (the canadian from Who's line is it anyway)

Ex Nihilo
Your head's full of shit.
we leach off the success of your country huh? Well, while your country is currently going through an economic slump, our is getting increasingly stronger and our dollar went up nearly 5 cents in less than 2 DAYS....

AK47
you're right, we don't, nor do we have the need to be a super power. If the US waged war on Canada tomorrow, you know that there would be many countried right there to back us up.

urban
first I'm a liberal, than I'm a socialist, than I'm a nationalist pig/scum....... for the record, I fond none of those terms offensive.

Of course I know what perpetuating means. I've just been noticing that you are exceptionally low on "insulting" material in the other threads so I thought that I'd give you a little boost.

Canada is more socially aware and cares more for the people, as you've just said.... so how does that not make us "good"? That makes us two steps higher than most countries out there.

Yes, we are all leftists. I'm not defending a "capitalist" government, I'm defending a "fair" government, which is very rare to find these days, let alone one next to the US, we're not as influenced by you as Ex Nihilo would like to think. Canada is indeed a "utopia" in comparison to what you have down there, so stop bringing up the "utopia" thing every where I look.

Yeah, I'm on one side of the imaginary line, but I'm not "brainwashed" in to thinking my side is better, my side IS better, you've even said that much.

Oh, and sorry to burst your bubble about the mullets, but if they were a "thing" in the US 10 years ago, that was after they were a "thing" in canada in the 80's... I thought that you were "better" than to generalize?

haha, yeah "smearing" us in every other event..... of course the only events you count are the ones you did well in, everything else doesn't matter. those weren't our only medals, blind asshole.

As for beer, of course you'd know seeing how you drink a lot of it, and speed a lot of your time in bars when you're in canada.... I don't drink it, it all tastes like piss to me, but if that's your thing....

COMRADE RAF
humour me...... right now, off the top of your head, give me a list of the "nationalistic" canadians on this board, I want names people....

[Invader Zim]

Quote: from Urban Rubble on 2:06 am on July 29, 2003
As for apologzing for your hockey win in the Olympics, we're sorry for smearing you (and the rest of the world) in every other event.



Ohh what like soccer?
Rowing?
Cricket?
Snooker?
Triple Jump?
Most running events?
Curling?
Long Jump?
etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc

We (as in the rest of the world) may be shit but give us some credit.

[Sabocat]

Since you're going on an on about how benevolent Canada is..

Numbers of Refugees That Canada (Didn't) Accept
"During the twelve years of Nazi terror, from 1933 to 1945, while the United States accepted more than 200,000 Jewish refuges; Palestine, 125,000; embattled Britain, 70,000; Argentina, 50,000; penurious Brazil, 27,000; distant China, 25,000; tiny Bolivia and Chile, 14,000 each, Canada found room for fewer than 5,000."

Excerpted from NONE IS TOO MANY, Irving Abella and Harold Troper, Toronto, 1982 ISBD 0-919630-31-6. (Canada & The Jews of Europe, 1933-1948)

[Invader Zim]

Quote: from Urban Rubble on 4:25 pm on July 28, 2003
"
Ohh what like soccer?
Rowing?
Cricket?
Snooker?
Triple Jump?
Most running events?
Curling?
Long Jump?
etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc

We (as in the rest of the world) may be shit but give us some credit."

I wasn't trying to say the rest of the world was shit. I just thought it was incredibly funny that he brought up them beating us in Hockey, ignoring the fact that the U.S usually dominates the games. Think of something better to insult us with than our athletes, because we have shown time and time again that they will dominate MOST sports.

Also, I wouldn't really consider Curling or Rowing "sports". As for the running events, the U.S has a pretty damn good record at Track and Field.




They are both olympic sports, just because you guys didnt win does not make them fake.

[Felicia]

Quote: from Disgustapated on 11:49 am on July 29, 2003
Since you're going on an on about how benevolent Canada is..

Numbers of Refugees That Canada (Didn't) Accept
"During the twelve years of Nazi terror, from 1933 to 1945, while the United States accepted more than 200,000 Jewish refuges; Palestine, 125,000; embattled Britain, 70,000; Argentina, 50,000; penurious Brazil, 27,000; distant China, 25,000; tiny Bolivia and Chile, 14,000 each, Canada found room for fewer than 5,000."

Excerpted from NONE IS TOO MANY, Irving Abella and Harold Troper, Toronto, 1982 ISBD 0-919630-31-6. (Canada & The Jews of Europe, 1933-1948)


And what am I supposed to do about that? Hummm? Canadians regret not taking more, I've read that somewhere aswell.

[Bianconero]

I don't see why any socialist would actually want to be part of such a 'debate.' After all, socialists only feel part of their class, not of 'their' country. Socialists fight the capital and all slaves of the capital. Socialists don't fight their comrades from other places just because the capital tells them to. You guys better start reading comrade Uljanov.

[Felicia]

I'm part of my country's majority.

I just posted this joke because I stumbled across it and I liked it, that's all.

[Zombie]

Yeah "this hour has 22 minutes" can be quite funny. :)

I just don't see the point in this thread....

[FatFreeMilk]

"I just don't see the point in this thread.... "
To laugh:biggrin:
Felicia's made the attempt to end this beef w/UB many times and he hasn't stopped and as a result this funny thread has been made.

[Felicia]

FFM, precisely. Also this thread was started out of sarcasm :)

[Zombie]

Yeah, but it's going straight to the slaughterhouse.
Discussions like these always do.

"I'm better than you!"
"No I am!"
"Eat dick! My dad is richer than yours, and I go to a private school!"
"Die sucker!" Bang bang.

Grow up people, you look like retards, Americans defending America, and Canadians defending Canada. Pfffft.

Tssk tssk, Brazil and Spain are the shit man! ;) (oh yeah)

[Felicia]

so what. This didn't start out saying that Canada was better, it started when ghost writer generalized against canada, and the I generalized against america, and the Urban took it upon himself to start some big thing over it all. I want the whole stupid thing to stop.

[Urban Rubble]

No felicia, this thread was started as a jab at me.

"Of course rowing and curling are sports, you just must not have done very well in them... "

To imply that I would ever try curling is hilarious.

"They are both olympic sports, just because you guys didnt win does not make them fake. "

O.K, I take it back, they are sports, just ridiculous ones.

[Felicia]

No felicia, this thread was started as a jab at me.

"Of course rowing and curling are sports, you just must not have done very well in them... "

To imply that I would ever try curling is hilarious.

"They are both olympic sports, just because you guys didnt win does not make them fake. "

O.K, I take it back, they are sports, just ridiculous ones.



There's that ignorance you've been trying to hide..... There's the american thinking that because he doesn't likek something, that it isn't legit, talk about being one with your country..

As far as curling, I didn't mean YOU as an individual, I meant YOU as in your country. You're starting to sound very ignorant, a sign of conservatism...

[Comrade Gorley]

I'm not even going to participate in this debate. It's as childish as the ones we participated in as children (this coming from a cynical 14-year old :lol: ). I myself am from Alberta, and recall the petty debates I had abroad over which was better: Edmonton or Calgary. The arguements usually consisted of "Calgary has more hospitals!" "Edmonton has a big mall!" etc. When it's good-spirited, it's fine, and can be amusing (so I'm siding with Felicia on this one), but this has gotten to the point where passions are getting inflamed.

We are above that.

If you Americans have any beefs with Canada's political system or politicians, post a dispassionate analysis of it (and vice-versa, for my fellow Canadians). Otherwise- we're supposed to be socialists, people. The one who are ABOVE petty biases.

Anyway, there's my two cents (Canadian money :D )

[Ghost Writer]

Anyway, there's my two cents (Canadian money )

Why didn't you say, "There's my hay-penny", in that case?

[Urban Rubble]

Comrade Gorley, this argument was not about which country was better. I have no need to argue about such nationalistic bullshit. I NEVER said that the U.S was better. This whole thing was started when Felicia said Americans were stupid. I agree, we SHOULD be above petty biases, that is why I'm trying to educate Felicia. Trying to teach her that generalizations are stupid is like trying to teach Hitler to love Jews.

[Comrade Gorley]

UB,

I have no doubt that is was never your intent to debate the superiority of a country; however, along the way, a few nationalistic barbs were cast by both sides of the arguement. If I recall, the Edmonton vs Calgary debates usually started as a passing reference to hockey. I don't think either you or Felicia are American/Canadian supremacists (respectively), but that seems to be what this debate has grown into. At best, this is a case where one or both sides took unnecessary offense at a remark, and before it gets worse, it should simply end.

Just my, uh, hay penny. :P

[Felicia]

urban
urban you ass, how many times do I have to tell you? this didn't start with me saying americans were stupid, this started when that other feller said that canadians were pansy-twats and stupid, it was something along those lines. I DIDN'T START IT SO STOP ACTING LIKE I DID.

[Xprewatik RED]

You know, Felicia if you stop replying this argument will end.

[Felicia]

isn't that just like you. It must be me to stop. Use some common sense, there's more than just one person in this. :wacko:

[Xprewatik RED]

I'm not attacking you. But I'm tired of American olympic scores, lames jokes, and irrelevant currency postings.

[Urban Rubble]

No Felicia, this argument did not start when someone made those comments about Canadians. That had nothing to do with me, I just ignored it. This argument started the second that you pushed send on that comment about Americans being stupid. Yes, that THREAD was started with a diss on Canadians, this ARGUMENT was started when you generalized my people.

Gorley, you said this "I don't think either you or Felicia are American/Canadian supremacists", but Felicia has already admitted being a Canadian Nationalist.

[Felicia]

how many times do I have to tell you? OBVIOUSLY A LOT!!!! I never would have had to push "send" if I wasn't replying to him! If it wasn't for that remark I wouldn'd have replied, and you would be bored these last few days. So don't sit there and say that I started it one my own because I didn't, you were the one who chose to argue with me, not the other way around. If you want to take it this far, I was replying to ghost writer, you took it upon yourself to start a big deal out of it. But ofcourse, you're blind to your own ignorance, that's how it always works :blink:

[Comrade Gorley]

Originally posted by Urban [email protected] 30 2003, 09:53 PM

Gorley, you said this "I don't think either you or Felicia are American/Canadian supremacists", but Felicia has already admitted being a Canadian Nationalist.

That's not necessarily a supremacist. Generally yes, but it's not required.

Anyway, I'm going to bow out now; I've said my piece. Carry this on if you wish, I shan't be involved any more.

[Felicia]

you know, Santa's canadian!!!! He lives at the north pole and has reindeer!! :lol: and he's Marx in disguise! :P

Nah UR, supremacism (sp) is different from nationalism.

supremacy: the quality or state of being supreme; also : supreme authority or power

nationalism: loyalty and devotion to a nation; especially : a sense of national consciousness exalting one nation above all others and placing primary emphasis on promotion of its culture and interests as opposed to those of other nations or supranational groups


After reading their definition of "nationalism" I can definitely say that I'm not an advocate of putting my culture above others' culture, we all have separate cultures and no one culture is "better" than anothers, however, some are more moral than others, in my first world, canadian, puritanical opinion. But I do have loyalty and devotion to canada. It's just NOT as extreme as the definition suggests.

[Comrade Gorley]

Originally posted by [email protected] 30 2003, 11:04 PM
you know, Santa's canadian!!!! He lives at the north pole and has reindeer!! :lol: and he's Marx in disguise! :P

He wears red, has Marx's beard, distributes toys freely, has a reindeer named "Rudolph", lives in a cold climate, is from the working class (remember, he's an elf, and the elves are the workers in his toy shop)- yeah, i'd call Santa a commie. :lol: :) :P ;) B)

[Urban Rubble]

Felicia, you already admitted to being a nationalist. Funny how you change your stance when you read the definition of what one is.

I am not going to sit here and argue about who started this. Yes, I chose to argue with you just as much as you chose to say may people are stupid. In my opinion, saying that started it. I'm positive that you would have argued with me if I had said Canadians were stupid. Arguing about arguing if fucking stupid. Who the fuck cares who started it ?

God I'm so sick of this shit. You keep saying you want to end, SO END IT.

Don't reply, I don't care.

[Felicia]

Felicia, you already admitted to being a nationalist. Funny how you change your stance when you read the definition of what one is.

yes, I'm nationalistic, I didn't deny it in my clarification. I just was clarifying for you that I wasn't THAT definition of one, seeing how you seem to see things in black and white.


I'm positive that you would have argued with me if I had said Canadians were stupid. Arguing about arguing if fucking stupid. Who the fuck cares who started it ?


I've already told you what my response woiuld have been if you said that about canadians, but I guess that you've conveniently over looked that. I said that I most likely would have called you an idiot and told you to grow up, I never would have went into such a big argument about it, people have their own oninions. I don't care.

so, whatever, you're finally as tired of this as I am... It's over then. C'est fini.

[Unrelenting Steve]

As a South African I am very glad that there is another country out of Europe that is = in morality to what is almost the heart and compassion of the world; Europe (-Italy currently). Its nice to see that modern peace lovers have exist apart from just that 1 continant and is growing among the enlightened peoples of the world. However subserviant you seem to be in the end to America (and arent we all to an extent)your efforts are greatly noted. For this I thank you Canada, please keep it up!

[Felicia]

haha, thanks Steve. There was a meeting the other day about the soft wood lumber dispute....... they still haven't come to an agreement :)

I love my country. :)
The funny thing is that most of the logging done in my province is cut from private land, so there isn't tarriffs or anything for the people in the US that purchases it, so I think that makes it even cheaper for americans to buy it from us :lol: :D

anything I can do :P

[Lube Doobie]

"This hour has 22 minutes" is worthless.

Because Canada is vastly regionally fragmented it is simply foolish to promote nationalism. Did I say foolish? I meant impossible. What's worse, unless you live in 1 of the two provinces that hold any clout, you're essentially advocating a country that doesn't give a fuck about you....since party discipline in the Federal legislature prevents Provincial MP’s [from the "lesser provinces"] from representing their constituents.

Regardless, I went on a tour of the UBC campus two-weeks ago...nothin' but TITS! Seriously, the chicks in this country.

[Felicia]

I hope I'm not jumping the gun here..... but does anyone else think that "lobe doobie" is joanof arc? The writing style seems similar, and the age (for touring universities) is accurate with our fomer member.

Promoting nationalism in this country isn't hard, how could it be? We have a very beautiful country regardless of what you may think.

[Felicia]

yes, I've just compared the IP's of "lube doobie" and "joanofarch" and they are identical. God, I'm so clever at times it hurts. I think it's time for an IP ban....

[Guardia Bolivariano]

Originally posted by Urban [email protected] 29 2003, 02:06 AM


In all honesty, I'm amazed at this shit. As I have stated over and over, I am no defender of the United States policies, leaders and methods. However, most of this America bashing comes from envy. Most of the countries that bash us (Cuba excluded) are no better, just less powerful. They would be doing the same thing in our position because, let's face it, most world leaders are corrupt or just plain evil.
Cuba isn't the only country that has sufered from US policies MANY countries have a right to bash the US for It's actions in their country not just Cuba.

Central american mothers that lost their sons to american trained terrorists don't have envy on their mind when they lash out at the US.

As for REAL envy that's a natural thing and the US is not the only victim..

But I don't doubt a country with the same firepower as the US would be any better.

The best thing is to have no superpowers.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

Envy, UR? Despite your leftism, an American upbringing has had quite a negative impact on your global political views. The world has plenty of reasons to hate America. I do not feel it is necessary to post them all right now, but it is clear that nobody envies this pit of arrogance, conceitedness, egotism, vulgarity, and mediocrity.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

I found something in one of the other forums that may help you to understand why the world sees America in such a negative way.

http://www.che-lives.com/forum/index.php?a...t=ST&f=5&t=5309 (http://www.che-lives.com/forum/index.php?act=ST&f=5&t=5309)






*fixed your link -- felicia

[Felicia]

exactly victor, GB.

They've done some shit to us using "NAFTA" as an excuse. Mexico also got the shit end of the deal aswell. A load of bull it all is.


screw the US and the lumber dispute, I hope that we keep selling it cheep cheep cheep!!! :D

[Urban Rubble]

God, don't get me started again. I never said that America has done nothing to deserve it. Do you think I don't know this shit ? Do you want to search this board and find all the topics that I have participated in BASHING American foreign policy ?

When I re-read my comments, I can see how they can be offending. I didn't word that correctly. I'm not going to go into what I was really trying to say. I'm sorry for the comment.

Victor, first off, if you think that no one envies this country, then you are dead wrong. I was wrong when I said the word "most. Most of the hate does not come from envy, but ALOT does. Not everyone knows the evils of our government, alot of people only know the great standard of living we have, the relative safety, and they envy that. I never that the world has no reason to hate us, quite the opposite in fact. If you think that NOBODY envies this country, I'd have to say you are wrong.

Who are you to say I've been affected negatively ? Give me one example. One example of me defending my governments fucked up government. One example of my inferior political views. I'd love to hear it.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

Sure, some envy the sex and money. I thought you were one of those ass-holes who claim that they envy our "freedoms", and therefore want to take them away. <_<

By "negative impacts", I was referring to the narrow-minded bourgeois mentality Americans pick up through the media, through education, and through entertainment. And don&#39;t try to tell me that it doesn&#39;t exist, because i live here, man.

[Sabocat]

Originally posted by [email protected] 31 2003, 11:11 PM
exactly victor, GB.

They&#39;ve done some shit to us using "NAFTA" as an excuse. Mexico also got the shit end of the deal aswell. A load of bull it all is.


screw the US and the lumber dispute, I hope that we keep selling it cheep cheep cheep&#33;&#33;&#33; :D
First of all, Canada signed the NAFTA agreement. It wasn&#39;t some arbitrary thing that the U&#036; forced on you. NAFTA is/was a far worse nightmare for Mexico than it ever could be for Canada.

Second. Your lumber is cheap and attractive to the U&#036; because your dollar is weak against the U&#036; dollar. It all comes down to economics. One capitalist country buying and selling from another. It&#39;s about cost and profit margins.

Yes, we all know that Canada has some wonderful natural beauty.

The U&#036; has an equal amount of natural wonders, and some that you don&#39;t have in Canada like deserts. Have you been to Glacier National Park, Yellowstone, Grand Teton, Zion National? Seen the Giant Redwoods and Sequoia&#39;s, Seen the California Coast on Rt. 1, Everglades National Park, Cape Cod National Seashore? Believe me, I have and it&#39;s all beautiful and wonderful. I&#39;ve also been to some really beautiful places in Canada. I have seen most of Nova Scotia by boat, Montreal, Quebec (old and new), and some of your Midwest. I&#39;ve seen the Mayan temples and Rainforests in Belize and it has an indescribable beauty of it&#39;s own. I&#39;ve been to most of the islands in the British Virgin Islands. They also have scenery like no where else. The Higlands and coasts of Scotland were breathtakingly beautiful. There&#39;s beauty everywhere. There&#39;s wonderful people everywhere.

However, saying that, it&#39;s still no reason for anyone to be Nationalistic. This countries politics and foreign policies are a fucking disgrace, but the AMERICA&#39;S are a beautiful place and should be treated and dreamed of as such. No borders, no boundries, no country&#39;s, just Continents and humanity. Nationalism is a dead-end ideal.

Also...

Keep in mind that when you say Americans are stupid and "they voted for Bush" that only about 20% of the population here turns out for elections. Of those 20%, only about 48% of those people chose Bush, so you&#39;re condemning a population on the actions of a very small minority.

In my mind that translates into a vast majority who are dissastisfied or disenfranchised with our political choices and leadership.

[Felicia]

urban rubble
I&#39;m not crabby at you anymore, so I wasn&#39;t directing anything at you eh.

disgustipated
I know we signed it. I know that it&#39;s been far worse for mexico, the post is we&#39;re both on the same side of a crappy deal.
WE HAVE DESERTS IN CANADA. There&#39;s one in southern BC. and our whole Tundra and above is a "snow" desert. A desert is a place that gets less than a certain amount of precipitaion per year, it rarely snows at all in the north because it&#39;s far too cold.

as for the elections, more should show up, that&#39;s thier fault for not voting if they can.

[Urban Rubble]

Good post Disgustipated. A far more eloquent one than my feeble mind could put together =)

[Comrade Gorley]

The Badlands will do just fine as a "Canadian desert", I think :):lol:

[Exploited Class]

Originally posted by Urban [email protected] 30 2003, 03:53 PM
This argument started the second that you pushed send on that comment about Americans being stupid. Yes, that THREAD was started with a diss on Canadians, this ARGUMENT was started when you generalized my people.

Gorley, you said this "I don&#39;t think either you or Felicia are American/Canadian supremacists", but Felicia has already admitted being a Canadian Nationalist.
First off, I hate to break it to you Urban Rumble but most Americans are stupid. I don&#39;t care if Felicia thinks they are or not, because they are.
To clear up what I think stupid is since it such a blanket statement like smart. I think the bulk of them or majority haven&#39;t the critical thinking skills that most people have in other nations. But it isn&#39;t the Americans fault at large, they are just in the epicenter of the largest and most powerful capitalist system in the world. It does not behoove the ruling class to have intelligent, critical thinkers outside their front door. That is why you see a huge disproportionate amount of money being spent on military rather than on public education.


you generalized my people.
Well if anybody sounds like a nationalist, it is you. America isn&#39;t a race, it is people defined by national borders. If you consider them your people, you are allowing national borders define your race. Hence, that sounds pretty much like a nationalist to me.
Beside the point, you are taking offense towards comments about America, a country, a nation. You feel offended by that statement, well it sounds like to me you are a nationalist. I am a person, not an American.

[RedFW]

Great post, EC. You have articulated exactly what I was thinking.

[Guardia Bolivariano]

I&#39;m suprised nobody brought this one up.

But haven&#39;t you noticed the number of shows in the US that celebrate stupidity.


I really don&#39;t see the funny thing about asking a man where the UK is, and seing him respond "next to Australia."

That would be funny comimng from a kindergarden but from an adult that&#39;s just sad.

They need more quality programing...

[Sabocat]

Don&#39;t have critical thinking abilties or don&#39;t use critical thinking abilities? There is quite a difference between the two. One would imply inability for critical thought, the other would indicate laziness or complacency. I tend to think most people are capable of critical thought and just fail to exercise it.

I would suggest that if there are a lack of critical thinking abilities that it is a product of the public education system itself. Public schools have served as no more than indoctrination centers for revisionist history for decades.

I seriously doubt any manner of spending in this capitalist culture on public schools will change critical thinking ability to any appreciable extent. This of course is not to say that the military spending in this country is anything but obscene, just that it&#39;s not in the best interest of any capitalist culture.

Certainly the statement regarding the ruling class not wanting to have critical thinkers outside their doors, I would concur with, and could just as easily be said about Canada.

Actually the United &#036;tates is defined as a country or nation...America is a better term that defines us all geographically, South America, Central America, North America, The Carribean/Latin America as one all inclusive Continent. I like that a whole lot better. The hell with countries and borders.


P.S. Felicia....Believe me, most here in the U&#036; feel your pain with regards to NAFTA as well. It has destroyed countless jobs and caused wide spread misery here as much as anywhere. Corporations and Government agencies on all sides did this to us.

[Exploited Class]

Actually the United &#036;tates is defined as a country or nation...America is a better term that defines us all geographically, South America, Central America, North America, The Carribean/Latin America as one all inclusive Continent. I like that a whole lot better. The hell with countries and borders.

Well for all intent and purpose, calling the United States, America is not technically wrong through defacto use of the word. First all those other countries on the American continents don&#39;t habe America in their name. Secondly, United States of America is cumbersome. When you reffer to the people of the United States of America, you do not generally call them United States of Americans, you call them Americans.

To argue on the America Vs. United States of America can become disatrous. Because you can take it to whole different levels. If most people know what you mean when you say America because it is so commonly used, then it is good enough. Technically you shouldn&#39;t use the word Cool describe things, unless they are cold, but it becomes accepted. Slang.

Sure it might perpetuate the stereotype that Americans view themselves as the center of the universe, but remember everybody is a chosen nation at some point and these are just the things that go hand in hand with that.

[Sabocat]

I think you may have misunderstood what I was trying to say.

What I was trying to say, was that in a perfect world, we should all forget our country nameplates and think more on the lines of Geography. I don&#39;t consider myself a citizen of the united states, I consider myself a resident of the America&#39;s. I wasn&#39;t trying to correct anyone on their use of the word America. I think we all understand what people are talking about when they say it. I was trying to say rather than considering ourselves U&#036; citizens or Canadians, or Argentinians, etc. a more logical course would be for us all to be called Americans, which of course we are.

Europe has already kind of moved in this direction with the EU, no? (Even though for capitalistic reasons)

[Ghost Writer]

Did you know that the North Magnetic Pole constantly drifts. They have determined that it is moveing at about 40 km NW every year.

source: Canada&#39;s Geomagnetic Laboratory (http://www.geolab.nrcan.gc.ca/geomag/northpole_e.shtml)

[Sabocat]

It&#39;s interesting what it does to navigation. magnetic variation and deviation. Didn&#39;t I read that magnetic north is actually going to be in Russia in the not so distant future?

[Exploited Class]

Originally posted by [email protected] 1 2003, 12:59 PM
I think you may have misunderstood what I was trying to say.

What I was trying to say, was that in a perfect world, we should all forget our country nameplates and think more on the lines of Geography. I don&#39;t consider myself a citizen of the united states, I consider myself a resident of the America&#39;s. I wasn&#39;t trying to correct anyone on their use of the word America. I think we all understand what people are talking about when they say it. I was trying to say rather than considering ourselves U&#036; citizens or Canadians, or Argentinians, etc. a more logical course would be for us all to be called Americans, which of course we are.

Europe has already kind of moved in this direction with the EU, no? (Even though for capitalistic reasons)
Sorry, I misunderstood you. I just recently got into a debate about the whole, Americans calling their country America with some people so it was very fresh in my mind.

[Sabocat]

No prob. It&#39;s probably my fault for not describing what I was trying to say clearly. :huh:

[Ghost Writer]

The Badlands will do just fine as a "Canadian desert", I think

THE Badlands of South Dakota?

[Ghost Writer]

My mistake, I guess Canada also has a Badlands.

[Felicia]

EC
yes, thankyou. When I had stated that americans are "stupid" I told him that I automatically exclude leftists, because they can see the wrongs in their government and don&#39;t support "america", their government.

ghost writer
Yes, the badlands in Alberta. They&#39;ve found many dinosaur fossils, many triceratops I believe aswell, but I don&#39;t think it counts as a desert........I know, I know, you probably thought that canada was covered in snow... pictures:
http://pirin.worklogic.com/pics/rockies/alberta-badlands--hoodoos.jpg
http://www.canada.co.nz/media/images/81-Alberta-HoodoosAB96.jpg
http://www.angelfire.com/bc/artofmotorcycling/alberta_bound/alberta_images/badlands.jpg
http://www.ucalgary.ca/applied_history/tutor/imagealta/badlands-sm.jpg

[Urban Rubble]

"First off, I hate to break it to you Urban Rumble but most Americans are stupid. I don&#39;t care if Felicia thinks they are or not, because they are."

Well, I hate to break it to YOU, but I will not swallow that. I guess it all depends on your definition of "stupid". Are most of them (us) politically stupid ? I&#39;d say so, but that does not mean they aren&#39;t smart in other things. Take for example Bill Gates. He is a capitalist in the worst form, he probably isn&#39;t very politically minded, now, you can call that part of him stupid, but to say that he is an idiot is completely fucking retarted. Sure, there ALOT of stupid things about Americans, but having one "stupid" belief (politics) does not make one fully stupid, again, you people really need to stop with the generalizing.

"Well if anybody sounds like a nationalist, it is you. America isn&#39;t a race, it is people defined by national borders."

I never said it was a race, I said Americans are my countrymen, they are. I have no more love for them than I do for Canadians, Ethiopians or Iraqis. If defending 300 million people from the general label of stupid is nationalistic, then call me a fucking nationalist. I&#39;m not though. I feel obligated to point out that Felicia already called herself a nationalist.

"Beside the point, you are taking offense towards comments about America, a country, a nation. You feel offended by that statement, well it sounds like to me you are a nationalist. I am a person, not an American. "

Godamn, I see that I have to say this again. I NEVER defended AMERICA. I defended AMERICANS. There is a difference. Show me one instance of me taking offense to a comment about America. You guys act as though I have been sittin here defending every little comment made about my country, I haven&#39;t. I haven&#39;t even really tried to defend Americans. I realize that we have alot of problems, I realize that alot of us have shitty, arrogant attitudes, that doesn&#39;t make us stupid, dickheads sure, but not stupid.

Fuck this thread and fuck this discussion, it&#39;s clear that anything I post will be taken out of context. I just don&#39;t feel that it is appropriate to generalize and entire nation. Apparently it&#39;s O.K on this board.

[Felicia]

maybe this has gone too far. :(

EDIT: UR, I know that our arguing has stopped and I have a break, but I see that you&#39;re just getting more and more. Sorry about that.

[Urban Rubble]

I don&#39;t know, I think I&#39;m not conyeing my points too well. For some reason alot of people seem to be missing my point entirely.

I&#39;m not trying to hype my country, I&#39;m not saying we are superior to the rest of the world for the power we have. All I&#39;m saying is, all the good things and all the evil that the U.S has done were NOT done my STUPID people. If people hold different political opinions or have different morals it doesn&#39;t make them stupid.

Like I said, I&#39;m sick of this shit, fuck it. Plus, I just got off of work and smoked some herb, so needless to say I&#39;m having a hard time saying what I&#39;m trying to say.

Anyway, turned 21 today. Hooray for being legal.

[Felicia]

happy birthday.

I was legal months ago :D

[Don't Change Your Name]

Originally posted by Ex [email protected] 29 2003, 01:22 AM
We are in possession of over 18,000 nuclear warheads of which 12,000 are fully assembled and active. Canada&#39;s population is around 31 million, ours is close to 300 million. Our military is the most advanced on Earth. WE were the one&#39;s that landed on the moon. And WE have been fully independent of the British empire for well over two hundred years. Our head of state is the elected president of the United States, not the Queen of England.

I was looking at this topic but i stopped here, because i saw this.

You yanquis have 18000 nuclear warheads, 12000 active. How many bombs did you find in Irak? NONE. That leads me to think that actually you are a treat, NOT Saddam.
Also, you said your head of state was elected when we dont really know if he really won the ellections.

So, we can come to a conclusion: Bush is a dictator, and has many bombs. He is a treat to peace, freedom and democracy. Let&#39;s free the Yanqui people. Let&#39;s fucking bomb them&#33;

Now you will know what Iraquis felt thanks to your "elected" president, while we kill you for bothering the wolrd&#39;s freedom and democracy.

[dannie]

they even got bombs in belgium :&#39;(:&#39;(:&#39;(

arghel, about 10 warheads ready for action, they got about the power of 14 hiroshima bombs, (if someone is interested read www.bomspotting.be), i truly hate the american goverment because of it&#39;s hypocrisy, i thik america is more of a thread then iraq, but that&#39;s beside the point

[Felicia]

Canada chooses not to have nuclear weapons. It&#39;s against our preaching of peace aswell. Would you want one of the big peacekeeping countries to have nukes? wouldn&#39;t it be a bit hypocritical? yes.

[Sabocat]

Originally posted by El Infiltr(A)do+Aug 1 2003, 10:57 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (El Infiltr(A)do @ Aug 1 2003, 10:57 PM)
Ex [email protected] 29 2003, 01:22 AM
We are in possession of over 18,000 nuclear warheads of which 12,000 are fully assembled and active. Canada&#39;s population is around 31 million, ours is close to 300 million. Our military is the most advanced on Earth. WE were the one&#39;s that landed on the moon. And WE have been fully independent of the British empire for well over two hundred years. Our head of state is the elected president of the United States, not the Queen of England.

I was looking at this topic but i stopped here, because i saw this.

You yanquis have 18000 nuclear warheads, 12000 active. How many bombs did you find in Irak? NONE. That leads me to think that actually you are a treat, NOT Saddam.
Also, you said your head of state was elected when we dont really know if he really won the ellections.

So, we can come to a conclusion: Bush is a dictator, and has many bombs. He is a treat to peace, freedom and democracy. Let&#39;s free the Yanqui people. Let&#39;s fucking bomb them&#33;

Now you will know what Iraquis felt thanks to your "elected" president, while we kill you for bothering the wolrd&#39;s freedom and democracy. [/b]
Well, I&#39;m not sure how much democracy and freedom was in Iraq. I still don&#39;t think we should be involved in the affairs of a soverign nation however.

As far as dropping bombs on "yanqui&#39;s", try and remember, that there were millions of people here that opposed the war.

[Don't Change Your Name]

Originally posted by [email protected] 2 2003, 03:44 PM
Well, I&#39;m not sure how much democracy and freedom was in Iraq. I still don&#39;t think we should be involved in the affairs of a soverign nation however.

As far as dropping bombs on "yanqui&#39;s", try and remember, that there were millions of people here that opposed the war.
It was just a way to express that Bush is worst than Saddam, I&#39;m not into killing the good part of the yankee society, that wasnt the point, my point is that they "burn themselves" with this kind of messages, it was just to show the ones here who is the real terrorism and that what they did in Iraq should be done there, I&#39;m not really suggesting to kill yanquis.

[Urban Rubble]

I hate it when people make statements to me and then don&#39;t reply.

Reply Exploited Class.