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Herman
8th December 2008, 16:29
ATHENS - Greece's worst rioting in years erupted late Saturday night after an Athens policeman shot and killed a teenage boy in a central neighborhood known as the base of anarchist and other antiestablishment groups.
By Sunday morning, with the riots continuing, a trail of devastation had been blazed across central Athens – with the stench of tear gas and smoke from charred vehicles and buildings hanging over parts of the ancient city. The violence quickly spread to other parts of the country, including Greece's second-city, Thessaloniki, and the vacation islands of Crete and Corfu.
The shooting and its violent aftermath threatens to escalate a decades-long conflict that has simmered between police and far-left groups. The conservative government, which was already struggling to stay in power in the wake of a recent land-exchange scandal, attempted to calm the rioters by arresting the two police officers connected with the shooting.
The fatal shooting took place in the Athens neighborhood of Exarchia, a dense warren of concrete apartment buildings home to a mix of students and anarchists. Clashes between police and radicals are common in the neighborhood.
Anarchist groups frequently set off small bombs throughout the city – on Wednesday alone a bomb damaged the offices of the French news service Agence France Presse and arsonists torched a Bosnian embassy car and a bank cash machine.
Brady Kiesling, a former US diplomat, who is writing a book about the Greek militant group November 17, says Greek police have limited power to use force against these groups because public sentiment will not tolerate it. This has resulted in a delicate balance in Exarchia, with neither pushing the other too far. Many Greeks cite the events of November 17, 1973 – a day that is still commemorated, when the army stormed the Athens Polytechnic University and killed a number of striking students – as a reason why the police must be restricted.
"The police stay out of certain areas, unless there's a major emergency, and the anarchists don't trash things badly unless there's a good reason," Mr. Kiesling says. But "once someone gets killed, the doctrine is massive retaliation."
Details of the shooting are disputed, but police issued a statement saying the two officers had been attacked by a group of youths. One officer threw a stun grenade while the other responded with three shots. At least one bullet hit the boy, reported to be 15 or 16. According to police, he died on the way to the hospital.
The last fatal police shooting of a minor in Greece, in 1985, sparked months of nearly daily clashes between police and anarchists. The terrorist group November 17 also bombed a bus full of riot police in retaliation, Kiesling says.
Both officers involved in Saturday's incident have been arrested. Prokopis Pavlopoulos, the country's Interior minister, who is responsible for the police, promised punishment for those responsible.
Mr. Pavlopoulos, and his deputy minister, also offered their resignations, a move that was rejected by the prime minister.
"It is inconceivable for there not to be punishment when a person loses their life, particularly when it is a child," Pavlopoulos said in a press conference Sunday morning. The Interior minister also condemned the actions of the rioters. "No outrage, no matter how ideologically established it is, can lead to such incidents as we witnessed last night."
Shortly after the shooting, which took place before 10 p.m., an angry crowd – summoned by text message and the Internet – gathered in Exarchia. They clashed with police, shouting "Murderers in uniform," and burned and looted local shops.
Later that night, the rioters moved to other areas of the city center, burning or damaging at least 31 shops and breaking windows in the tourist neighborhood of Monistiraki and along one of central Athens' major shopping streets, Ermou. Just a few hundred yards from the ancient site of Hadrian's Library, a charred building still smoldered late Sunday morning. Some two dozen police officers were reportedly injured in the clashes.
On Sunday afternoon, more than 2,000 people gathered near the Athens Polytechnic to march towards Athens' central police station in protest of the killings. Greek law bars police from university buildings.
"The feeling is anger," says John Gelis, a 28-year psychologist, shortly before joining the march. "A kid was killed just like that. It's a sign of arrogance by the police. It's an act against democracy."
Mr. Gelis joined in the riots on Saturday night, saying the targets of the unrest included banks and multinational companies, not small businesses. "No one has anything against the little owners."
But some small businesses had been ransacked, including a family-run computer store in the heart of Exarchia. Business owners and residents say they are weary of the unrest. "I'm fed up with this," says Elina Dimitriou, a long-time resident of the neighborhood. "It needs to stop. But I don't know who to blame."
• Material from the Associated Press was used in this story.

http://www.csmonitor.com/2008/1208/p06s02-wogn.html

The source is a little fishy, I know. Bear with me please.

Riots continue across Greece after teen killed by police

ATHENS, Greece (CNN) -- Bursts of tear gas exploded in downtown Athens as police continued to battle hundreds of young self-styled anarchists rioting Sunday in major cities across Greece.


In a fury over the death of a teenager killed by police on Saturday, angry demonstrations had not abated by late Sunday night.
"It at first seemed like it was calming down today, but then at 5 p.m. Athens time it kicked off again," according to Joel Brown, a CNN senior press officer visiting Athens.



"There are lots of burning bins and debris in the street and a huge amount of tear gas in the air, which we got choked with on the way back to our hotel," he said.


Tourists holed up in downtown Athens hotels were told by hotel staff not to leave their rooms as police fanned out across the city, Brown said.


The U.S. and British embassies issued warnings to employees and tourists on Sunday, instructing them to avoid downtown Athens and other major cities until rioting subsides. [/URL]
The police officer who fired the fatal shot has been charged with "manslaughter with intent" and suspended from duty, police said, adding that a second police officer was arrested Saturday on criminal accessory charges.


(http://cnn.site.printthis.clickability.com/pt/cpt?action=cpt&title=Riots+continue+across+Greece+after+teen+kill ed+by+police+-+CNN.com&expire=-1&urlID=32914798&fb=Y&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnn.com%2F2008%2FWORLD%2Feuro pe%2F12%2F07%2Fgreece.riots%2Findex.html%3Feref%3D rss_topstories&partnerID=211911#cnnSTCVideo)
Demonstrators barricaded city streets Sunday in Athens and Thessaloniki and hurled petrol bombs as they battled with police, who fought back with tear gas in the second day of rioting.
Rampaging youths smashed storefronts and burned businesses, leaving shattered glass and burnt debris scattered across both cities.
Residents of an apartment building in central Athens (http://cnn.site.printthis.clickability.com/pt/cpt?action=cpt&title=Riots+continue+across+Greece+after+teen+kill ed+by+police+-+CNN.com&expire=-1&urlID=32914798&fb=Y&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnn.com%2F2008%2FWORLD%2Feuro pe%2F12%2F07%2Fgreece.riots%2Findex.html%3Feref%3D rss_topstories&partnerID=211911#cnnSTCVideo) were evacuated on Sunday after angry demonstrators torched a car dealership on the basement floor.
A police statement about the boy's death said the incident started when six young protesters pelted a police patrol car with stones. The 16-year-old boy was shot as he tried to throw a fuel-filled bomb at the officers, police said.


Other youths converged on the site almost immediately.


These young people -- often referred to in Greece (http://topics.cnn.com/topics/greece) as " the known-unknowns" -- use texting and Web sites to organize and communicate.
Fighting between youths and police quickly erupted in other parts of Greece, including Thessaloniki, the country's second largest city. Hundreds of youths took to the streets of the sprawling port city, and finally barricaded themselves behind the gates of a state university, where police are barred from entering.
No deaths were reported, though police say several police officers have been injured.
Police say some protesters have been rounded up for questioning.


Government officials, fearing more violence, swiftly condemned the shooting. "An investigation is under way and those found responsible with be punished," said Interior Minister Prokopis Pavlopoulos. "Measures will also be taken to avoid such incidents again in the future."

[url]http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe/12/07/greece.riots/index.html?eref=rss_topstories

Killfacer
8th December 2008, 16:42
Damn this thread is way better than the one i just made.

I will link it to this one.

Looks like theres a good mix of protestors aswell. Should be interesting how this turns out. Does anyone know why they shot the kid?

Herman
8th December 2008, 16:47
Does anyone know why they shot the kid?

No reason at all. The two policemen felt like shooting someone and the poor kid was in the way. He did nothing to them.

rebelworker
8th December 2008, 17:23
The kid was shot while throwing a molotov at a police car, the cops in the car fired on him.

The big change in the latest disturbances in Grece has been the unity among the left and the timing is good. Witht recent govt corruption scandals, massive layoffs, violent repression of a student strike, violence conflict with undocumented immigrants and a planned general strike, this thing could get out of hand quickly.

Holden Caulfield
8th December 2008, 17:25
http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/UK-News/London-Greek-Embassy-Stormed-By-Protesters/Article/200812215174658?videoSourceID=d52591843911e110VgnV CM1000005d04170aRCRD&lpos=UK_News_Article_Inline_Player_List_0&lid=ARTICLE_15174658_London_Greek_Embassy_Stormed_ By_Protesters

mental Greek bastards!
haha

well played these people

click the link

Sasha
8th December 2008, 17:30
The kid was shot while throwing a molotov at a police car, the cops in the car fired on him.


no he did not, the group he was with shouted sommething, the cops parked further up, walked back and started shooting. there was no direct threat to the pigs

F9
8th December 2008, 17:34
The kid was shot while throwing a molotov at a police car, the cops in the car fired on him.



No, this wasnt the situation this just the "reasoning" greek state and media gaved!The true story: the kids had some strong phrases exchange, they argued basically, and then the kids throw to their cars plastic water bottles, the cops got away, they parked there car in a nearby street and they came back on foot where they founf the kids again, some words exchange again and then the cop takes his gun out and shoots the kid directly!:(:(
:mad:

Herman
8th December 2008, 17:42
Regardless of what happened, it was a clear act of cold-blooded murder.

I think the anarchists should be posting more in this thread, since many of the protesters are part of the anarchist movement.

Holden Caulfield
8th December 2008, 17:42
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/45276000/jpg/_45276231_banner_getty_466.jpg
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/45278000/jpg/_45278088_riot_afp466.jpg
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/45276000/jpg/_45276235_petrolbomb_afp_466.jpg
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/45276000/jpg/_45276234_riotafp_466.jpg
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/45276000/jpg/_45276232_riot_afp_466.jpg

rebelworker
8th December 2008, 18:53
Greek anarchists I have been talking to have said that the big suprise is the amount of activity in smaller towns with small or no existing anarchist groups.

Also the untiy among anarchists has been unusually high, and even maoist and Trotskyist groups have been coming out to largely anarchist organised actions.

On the recuperation side the more conservative Communist and socialist parties have called marches and look poised to cash in on the grassroots activity.

The lack of public organisation that characterises the Greek Insurrectionist leaning anarchists could show to be a real weekness in the coming week.

audiored
8th December 2008, 20:24
Thanks for sharing the pictures and news reports.

It would be great to read some first hand reports if anyone is in Greece and can give some background and perspective.

Dóchas
8th December 2008, 21:03
what were they protesting about when the fifteen year old was shot?

nuisance
8th December 2008, 21:32
I think the anarchists should be posting more in this thread, since many of the protesters are part of the anarchist movement.
There's one in the anarchist subforum.

Sasha
8th December 2008, 22:29
communique by the Polytechnic School Occupation in Athens, Greece:

THE STATE MURDERS!


On Saturday December 6, 2008, Alexandros Grigoropoulos, a 15-year old comrade, was murdered in cold blood, with a bullet in the chest by a cop in the area of Exarchia.

Contrary to the statements of politicians and journalists who are accomplices to the murder, this was not an “isolated incident”, but an explosion of the state repression which systematically and in an organised manner targets those who resist, those who revolt, the anarchists and antiauthoritarians.
It is the peak of state terrorism which is expressed with the upgrading of the role of repressive mechanisms, their continuous armament, the increasing levels of violence they use, with the doctrine of “zero tolerance”, with the slandering media propaganda that criminalises those who are fighting against authority.
It is these conditions that prepare the ground for the intensification of repression, attempting to extract social consent beforehand, and arming the weapons of state murderers in uniform!

Lethal violence against the people in the social and class struggle is aiming at everybody’s submission, serving as exemplary punishment, meant to spread fear.
It is part of the wider attack of the state and the bosses against the entire society, in order to impose more rigid conditions of exploitation and oppression, to consolidate control and repression. From school and universities to the dungeons of waged slavery with the hundreds of dead workers in the so-called “working accidents” and the poverty embracing large numbers of the population… From the minefields in the borders, the pogroms and the murders of immigrants and refugees to the numerous “suicides” in prisons and police stations… from the “accindental shootings” in police blockades to violent repression of local resistances, Democracy is showing its teeth!

From the first moment after the murder of Alexandros, spontaneous demonstrations and riots burst in the center of Athens, the Polytechnic, the Economic and the Law Schools are being occupied and attacks against state and capitalist targets take place in many different neighborhoods and in the city centre. Demonstrations, attacks and clashes erupt in Thessaloniki, Patras, Volos, Chania and Heraklion in Crete, in Giannena, Komotini and many more cities. In Athens, in Patission street –outside the Polytechnic and the Economic School- clashes last all night. Outside the Polytechnic the riot police make use of plastic bullets.

On Sunday the 7th December, thousands of people demonstrate towards the police headquarters in Athens, attacking the riot police. Clashes of unprecedented tension spread in the streets of the city centre, lasting until late at night. Many demonstrators are injured and a number of them are arrested.


We continue the occupation of the Polytechnic School which started on Saturday night, creating a space for all people who fighting to gather, and one more permanent focus of resistance in the city.

In the barricades, the university occupations, the demonstrations and the assemblies we keep alive the memory of Alexandros, but also the memory of Michalis Kaltezas and of all the comrades who were murdered by the state, strengthening the struggle for a world without masters and slaves, without police, armies, prisons and borders.

The bullets of the murderers in uniform, the arrests and beatings of demonstrators, the chemical gas war launched by the police forces, not only cannot manage to impose fear and silence, but they become for the people the reason to raise against state terrorism the cries of the struggle for freedom, to abandon fear and to meet –more and more every day- in the streets of revolt. To let the rage overflow and drown them!

STATE TERRORISM SHALL NOT PASS!

IMMEDIATE RELEASE OF ALL THE ARRESTED IN THE EVENTS OF SATURDAY AND SUNDAY (7-8 DECEMBER).


We are sending our solidarity to everyone occupying universities, demonstrating and clashing with the state murderers all over the country.


The Occupation of the Polytechnic University in Athens

in holland there will be an spontan-demo tomorow (tuesday) 18.00 central station den haag

Sasha
8th December 2008, 22:31
what were they protesting about when the fifteen year old was shot?


nothing, they where just hanging out on a square in their neighborhood, like kids do. this could have been us or our litle brother on a saturday night.

rebelworker
9th December 2008, 03:19
That neighborhood is seen as a bit of an "anarchist stronghold" cops are regularly attacked on sight.

The problem with the latest rebellion I fear is that the insurrectionary style favored so much by anarchists in Greece, as strong as they are, will make it hard for them to build on the current wave of anger and will probably just get recuperated by the Communist party...

Kitskits
9th December 2008, 04:28
There is widespread fascist police violence here in Greece. This is very urgent. There was a demonstration of students in Athens. I mean students like 15 - 18 years old. Listen to this. This is very serious, we need solidarity and help here in Greece. Tell your political organisations.

LISTEN TO THIS:
http://papachatzis.tumblr.com/post/63589410/policeviolence

It is in Greek, there are cops that have ARRESTED students, and the start using violence against them AFTER they arrested them. I know you can't understand the language but If you find someone who can you'll know. I think the cries in this sound clip are very clear.

http://www.tvxs.gr/v1141

This is a video of a cop chasing a young student and a brave student from behind throws the cop down and they both escape.

Comrades. We need help here in Greece, I think this is obvious from what you've heared and listened.

The Douche
9th December 2008, 04:29
That neighborhood is seen as a bit of an "anarchist stronghold" cops are regularly attacked on sight.

The problem with the latest rebellion I fear is that the insurrectionary style favored so much by anarchists in Greece, as strong as they are, will make it hard for them to build on the current wave of anger and will probably just get recuperated by the Communist party...

It would appear that since the insurrection has spread to areas which are not normally strongholds of the typical greek rioting that the insurrectionary inspired approach which has been adopted by the greek anarchist movement is working.

Of course, you will say, when this insurrection does not turn into a revolution that it was the fault of "poorly organized insurrectionary anarchists", instead of actually analyzing the situation for what it is.

But go ahead, carry on...

Cheung Mo
9th December 2008, 04:45
I think they waited too damn long. Social democrats (weak and corrupt as PASOK may be) and leftists have the support of 55 - 60% of the Greek population, but the fucked up electoral system allows the right to win narrow majorities every time leftists frustrated by failures of PASOK choose to back a more radical party. Every time the New Party attempts to govern without a mandate, revolutionaries should be merciless in blocking their attacks on the Greek working classes. Hopefully PASOK is blocked from being able to use the situation as an excuse to subvert the will of the people to further their own ends.

MindYourself
9th December 2008, 05:06
Greek anarchists I have been talking to have said that the big suprise is the amount of activity in smaller towns with small or no existing anarchist groups.

No real surprise here. The vast majority of the protesters are not anarchists. Especially in minor towns. In my town, there was a peaceful anarchist protest of about 30 people, a protest of the local Polytechnic school communist union of about 100 people, and the bigger was the protest of 400 Polytechnic students of various ideologies.

I'm really tired of anarchists trying to monopolize social struggle.

#FF0000
9th December 2008, 05:07
I came for pictures of Greek anarchists setting cops on fire, and I was not disappointed.

Drace
9th December 2008, 05:42
Just what are they protesting against?

MindYourself
9th December 2008, 05:47
There is widespread fascist police violence here in Greece. This is very urgent. There was a demonstration of students in Athens. I mean students like 15 - 18 years old. Listen to this. This is very serious, we need solidarity and help here in Greece. Tell your political organisations.


It is in Greek, there are cops that have ARRESTED students, and the start using violence against them AFTER they arrested them. I know you can't understand the language but If you find someone who can you'll know. I think the cries in this sound clip are very clear.


This is a video of a cop chasing a young student and a brave student from behind throws the cop down and they both escape.

Comrades. We need help here in Greece, I think this is obvious from what you've heared and listened.

What kitskits reports is right according to the information available so far. The police appear to have gone rampant.
The media falsify videos sent from independent sources, to make the initial incident seem like an argument caused by anarchist groups.
However, there's no justification for the so-called insurrection of this rampaging mob in major cities. I do not wish to connect them with anarchists, because i mostly think they are formed by state agents and ignorant people, because i really don't see how burning shops and cars will lead to the establishment of a fairer society. They do not get the people's support. The result is the exact opposite. (I really wont bother replying to those that will perhaps claim that the abuse of power by the police can be faced with blind insurrections stating cops are pigs, stones and molotovs).
This reign of terror serves only the holders of power. This is obvious enough.

Sasha
9th December 2008, 10:56
What kitskits reports is right according to the information available so far. The police appear to have gone rampant.
The media falsify videos sent from independent sources, to make the initial incident seem like an argument caused by anarchist groups.
However, there's no justification for the so-called insurrection of this rampaging mob in major cities. I do not wish to connect them with anarchists, because i mostly think they are formed by state agents and ignorant people, because i really don't see how burning shops and cars will lead to the establishment of a fairer society. They do not get the people's support. The result is the exact opposite. (I really wont bother replying to those that will perhaps claim that the abuse of power by the police can be faced with blind insurrections stating cops are pigs, stones and molotovs).
This reign of terror serves only the holders of power. This is obvious enough.

not to me it is, quite the contrary, because the rightwing primeminister seems too totaly agree with you;
Mr Karamanlis has promised action, saying: "We will tolerate no leniency in the attribution of responsibility. Nobody has the right to use this tragic incident as an alibi for acts of raw violence.
"In these critical hours, the political world must unanimously condemn and isolate the perpetrators of this violence."
now who is playing in the hands of the holders of power?

fuck you, 100% solidarity with all protesters in greece and acros the world, al the arrestants have to be freed now.

Sasha
9th December 2008, 10:58
impressive set of pictures at the botom of the page:
http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World-News/Greece-Athens-Braced-For-More-Violence-On-Day-Of-Shot-Teen-Alexandros-Grigoriadis-Funeral/Article/200812215175334?lpos=World_News_Top_Stories_Header _2&lid=ARTICLE_15175334_Greece%3A_Athens_Braced_For_M ore_Violence_On_Day_Of_Shot_Teen_Alexandros_Grigor iadis_Funeral

Sasha
9th December 2008, 11:04
One of the police officer's defense lawyers resigned on Monday, saying his conscience forbade him from defending "such a client." Greek radio reported that the officer who fired the shot was known as "Rambo" because he was prone to take tough action.

source (http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/0,1518,595300,00.html)

Sasha
9th December 2008, 11:06
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00446/athens_panorama__03_446229a.jpg
mannequins ablaze in trashed high street shop, didn't i see this picture in the v for vendeta movie?

Sasha
9th December 2008, 11:25
15 years old boy is murdered

Alexandros was our friend, our brother, our son, our classmate and our comrade.The murder of the 15 years old Alexandros was the last straw for all the cases of young peoples' murders either for talking back to the cops, or for not stoppingin a roadblock, or even for being in the wrong place the wrong moment -as Alexandros did.
The murder of the 15 years old Alexandros was not an isolated incident, as the home Secretary stated with audacity. His statement completes practically the announcement of the former minister of Justice (Polydoras) that is a matter of time until a policeman will loose his temper and will shoot. But all the elements and all the witnesses indicate and forces us to think that a single verbal attack may be enough for a cop to loose his temper and shoot.
The murder of young serbian student Bulatovic in 1998 in thessaloniki by a cop, the murder of young Leontidis by a cop at Cassandrou street in 2003, the death of 24 years old Tony Onohua after being chased by civil cops at the area of Kalamaria the summer of 2007, the murder of 45 years old Maria in Lefkimi after the attack of police agaist the people who were struggling against the waste disposal facility, the murder of the pakistan migrant at Petrou Ralli street in Athens the last month, the every day humiliation and violence against each petty transgressors at police precincts all over Greece, shooting against the participants of university students' demonstrations the last year, the violent supreccion of demonstrations, the police's teared gas fueled war, the violence against anyone protesting [..] And, of course, the every day murders of economical and political immigrants by the border patrols. Even the deaths in the freezing agean waters, or the minefields in Evros: all these paint the picture of the greek police.
The murder of the 15yr old alexandros caused a wave of anger and despair from hundreds of thousands youth and citizens of any age. It's not just the disgust and the griefing at the death of a young man. It's the common consience that we all share as brothers, friends and parents, that there is a bullet with our or our beloved's name on it waiting for the ill-fated rendezvouz. We live in a social reality where that rewards the worthless crooks that manipulate us, politicians and involved clergy. Where we all try to survive in a tommorow without a future.
We handed the future and the managment of our society to people without morale nor rules, without respect for mankingd.
In such a reality the murder of the 15yr old alexandros was the last straw that that overfilled our rage.
But rage isn't just an emotion. It is a fight for social justice. A justice that is evident now that as long as it's absent from the social reality there will be no social peace, because with such submission and such social inequality only graveyards can claim social peace.
Just because we are young like alexandros, just because we want to dream with dignity where the state and the authorities seed submission and despair. Because we want to live and not just get by this winter, we are enraged and fight for all these.
So we may not forget Alexandros nor have another dead alexandros from a cops bullet.
So no peace with those that destroy the future of youths, no intervention, no crocodile tears for the hypocritical ministers. Love for life, hope for people. A daily social fight with our classmates, our friends, our families and our comrades for a societas civilorum without guardians for a society of solidarty.
We call every citizen, every student and worker to march with us against the goverment-backed assassins.
We call the schoolmates of alexandros in Thessaloniki to honor the memory of their peer and to abstain from the schools at Tuesday, the day of Alexandros' funeral.
Demonstration at Aristelous on Tuesday 10th of December, the day of the funeral.Thessaloniki 6/12/08

Assembly of the Occupied School of Theater.

PS: the schools are closed all over greece since 8/12. The prisoners of Diavata Prison in Thessaloniki who were on hunger strike a few weeks ago, send a message that they will stand on our side in the struggle. Today (9/12) is the funeral of Alexandros Andreas Grigoropoulos at 3pm in Athens. We wil march in the central streets of Thessaloniki at the same moment. All Greece will be on the streets.

Wanted Man
9th December 2008, 11:34
not to me it is, quite the contrary, because the rightwing primeminister seems too totaly agree with you; now who is playing in the hands of the holders of power?

fuck you, 100% solidarity with all protesters in greece and acros the world, al the arrestants have to be freed now.
Of course, there should be 100% solidarity with the arrestees, and people shouldn't be called "agents" or "provocateurs" without proof. But it should also be recognised that purely the act of rioting is not the end-all solution to the problem. Only the mass movement of youths and workers taking to the streets can lead to real progress. It's very much necessary to support mass manifestations and general strikes that are in the planning.

Buildings and cars being set on fire may look "cool", and it may give a good distraction for western activists who are frustrated with the lack of militancy in their own countries. But it will all be for naught if the media manage to turn public opinion against the youths based on a few pictures of burning shops, and the repression mechanism manages to isolate and crush them, the riots fizzle out and the ND state of police terror manages to maintain itself.

Sasha
9th December 2008, 11:45
Of course, there should be 100% solidarity with the arrestees, and people shouldn't be called "agents" or "provocateurs" without proof. [....] and the repression mechanism manages to isolate and crush them, the riots fizzle out and the ND state of police terror manages to maintain itself.

but who is playing into this mechanisms?
the fucking parlementarian left...
because in the end the parlemantairian left wil always protect the parlamantairian de-mockery before they will support the people.
what good wil come from replacing the ND with yet more years of PASOK and KKE rule? we dont want a change
of managements we want no manegement at all.
and remarks like these:


There is an outlet, through struggles
The Communist Party of Greece (KKE) believes that there is an outlet, party leader Aleka Papariga said on Tuesday, speaking to the press after a meeting with prime minister Costas Karamanlis, and called on the working people, particularly those who in recent years, for a variety of reasons, have withdrawn (from public affairs), to organise themselves in unions and workplaces in order that Greece will be filled with "militant workers" because "a big storm is ahead of us".
Papariga was briefed by the premier in the aftermath of three nights of rioting in Athens and other cities across the country that erupted after the shooting death of a 15-year-old pupil by police on Saturday night in the Athens district of Exarhia. Karamanlis earlier briefed the President of the Republic on the situation, and was holding similar briefings with political party leaders and parliament president Dimitris Sioufas throughout the day.
Papariga said a big storm was ahead due to the (global financial) crisis and, on the pretext of the crisis, in pensions, social security and workers' rights.
That, Papariga said, was the answer to what was taking place today: a mass, guarded movement that has no need of the "supposed protection by the Security Corps".
The KKE secretary general said that her party does not "identify the justifed rage and indignation over the death of the young pupil with the hard-core of the hooded individuals", noting that the nucleus of the hooded individuals has emerged from within the state authority and was useful for slandering and breaking the popular movement. "I don't know if they've become something like the Taliban, in other words are out of control," she added.
On a KKE-organized protest rally over the teen's death on Monday night, Papariga said that an attempt was made of involvement with the hooded individuals "but they did not succeed", referring to an attempted attack against the Thessaloniki offices of the KKE parlaimentary group in the city center by a group of hooded anti-establishment youths who had broken off from the main demonstration, but were averted from entering the premises by party members and friends who were guarding the building.
Papariga also called on the Coalition of the Radical Left (SYRIZA) parliamentary alliance leadership to stop "caressing the ears of the hooded inviduals", looking ahead to "elections, cushions or chairs (positions)", but clarified that she does not identify the SYRIZA leadership with the hooded individuals.
Questioned on the prospect of early general elections, Papariga said that if and when elections were held, they should result from a rise in the class struggle because "if they take place under conditions of violence and suppression, not much will come out of them".
She further warned that many times a chance incident could be exploited by "various circles", referring to the 15-year-old's death, and clarified that the killing had not been premeditated, but also noting that "the training of the police forces is not at all incidental".

makes me sick to my stomach
fuck them,
Fuer und flamme!! :ninja:

Wanted Man
9th December 2008, 12:05
Fuck them? What kind of reaction did you expect? Some people broke off from the actions to attack the communists. People who, at this time, commit fascistoid attacks against the communists are doing the state's job, consciously or otherwise. What should they say? "Thanks for trying to attack our offices, best of luck, try to come back when we have no guards."

Part of the repression mechanism is that these riots (no matter if they're made by genuine activists or provocateurs) can be used in a very specific way: just surround it with riot police, fight with them for a while, let the journalists take scary pictures from the safety of the police lines, and allow them to break off and commit fascistoid attacks against the workers' movement, the communist movement, etc.

Next thing you know, the public perception is that it's rioting youth vs. the rest of the country. Isolate, divide, conquer. And people who try to attack communist rallies are allowing it to happen. So she is right in saying that the justified rage of the youths has nothing to do with a hooded mob that is working (either knowingly or unknowingly) for the state by physically attacking the communist movement instead of the cops. And if this leads to a weakening of the communists, it will be the SYRIZA who reap the profits, so that's not a very crazy connection to make, either.

So in that sense, they are absolutely right. Only the workers' movement can break this mechanism. Rioting youths are not agents for revolutionary change, the working class is. So if they can sustain a general strike and a constant mass movement against the ND, this could be more valuable than the outbursts of anger, even though they are also fully justified.

Sasha
9th December 2008, 12:23
aaah, the old only the working class can get shit done routine....
maybe it is the perception under the (workingclass, student, rioting, youth, anarchist, leftwing, angry) protestors that the KKE and SYRIZA are part of the problem and not of the solution, and IMO they are right, the statements of the "leftist"partys over the last couple of days proofs that.
ask yourselfs who atacked here, some protestors hurling some rocks at an office our an party that abususes the death of an comrade for trying to replace the old crap with new old crap.

Wanted Man
9th December 2008, 12:27
Clearly, it's not a generally held opinion when only a minority of hooded crypto-fascists are channeled through the police lines to attack people who are organising massive rallies and general strikes. And yes, only the (organised, conscious) working class can get "shit" done. Again, if the movement gets isolated, divided and eliminated by the cops, and the riots fizzle out, and it's business as usual (maybe the cops will get the chance to murder again!), what will you say? "Gelukkig hebben we de foto's nog..."?

Sasha
9th December 2008, 12:30
fuck it, lets try and keep the sectarianism limited for now, its not helping our greek comrades.
i'm going out to score some cloth to make an banner for the solidarity march tonight.
i'll try and keep an eye on the news, as soon as i have updates i'll post them.

Enragé
9th December 2008, 12:39
fuck it, lets try and keep the sectarianism limited for now, its not helping our greek comrades.
i'm going out to score some cloth to make an banner for the solidarity march tonight.
i'll try and keep an eye on the news, as soon as i have updates i'll post them.

qft!

i get both sides of the debate, and in the end its going to have to be a mass movement which topples this system, but in all honesty tens of thousands of people rioting IS a mass movement (just not big enough, not widespread enough, but damn, this is HUGE). Also, rioting is an act of self-liberation in and of itself, a big fuck you to any authority, reclaiming your life by your own hands (together with others). My only fear is that state repression will drive them off the streets indefinitely, and some groups will be pushed underground, radicalise, and start the whole RAF thing again.

ex_next_worker
9th December 2008, 13:12
The lack of public organisation that characterises the Greek Insurrectionist leaning anarchists could show to be a real weekness in the coming week.

Jesus fucking Christ, would you stop with this NEFAC organizing obsession? Oh yeah, let's build a huge movement, write a platform that holds together ten thousand people, have a congress, read some Bakunin and proceed from there. That works out way better.

Enragé
9th December 2008, 13:17
Jesus fucking Christ, would you stop with this NEFAC organizing obsession? Oh yeah, let's build a huge movement, write a platform that holds together ten thousand people, have a congress, read some Bakunin and proceed from there. That works out way better.

Well, it likely is going to be a problem. Not to overly criticise the insurrectionists, since it is their style of organisation which is especially suited for times like these (full scale rioting, huge public outrage)

Wanted Man
9th December 2008, 13:23
fuck it, lets try and keep the sectarianism limited for now, its not helping our greek comrades.
i'm going out to score some cloth to make an banner for the solidarity march tonight.
i'll try and keep an eye on the news, as soon as i have updates i'll post them.
Fair enough. I'll have to see about going to the solidarity action, but hopefully many comrades will come. And there should be an article about it on our website before the end of day.

MindYourself
9th December 2008, 16:34
not to me it is, quite the contrary, because the rightwing primeminister seems too totaly agree with you; now who is playing in the hands of the holders of power?

fuck you, 100% solidarity with all protesters in greece and acros the world, al the arrestants have to be freed now.

Hahaha, what a stupid motherfucker you are.
I'm totally unimpressed by the lack of reasoning of your post.
So let me see, i should feel manipulated because it seems Karamanlis said exactly what i said too?
Let me give you a simple alternative: distraction.
This is what Karamanlis is trying to do. Due to the unjustifiable aggresiveness(previous to the attacks of junior students by cops and even to the shot of Alexandros) shitheads like you had been resorting to the last days(or years) in major cities, the fascist acts of the police have almost become justifiable to the eyes of many. That's exactly what shitheads like you are producing, and not damage to capitalism.
The Greek Communist Party had a big guarded protest too, and NOTHING at all happened.
Karamanlis's reign of terror is based to the stupidity of the likes of you to take shape. These acts and his outrageous audacity gives him the right to talk about the terror this mob produces, and not the terror of the fascist police enforcement. Get it?
Go masturbate a bit to get your mind working again.

cop an Attitude
11th December 2008, 17:08
I have heard reoports that it was due to a ricochet bullet from a warning shot. whether this is true or not the coroners report says it was a ricochet. This does not justify any actions brought on by the police, it just proves how deadly their tactics can be. Only thing that I fear is that they will get off due to this. Their goverment is now in shambles so i still have my doubts that the two pigs will be set free and if they are, then they can expect months more of rioting.

ZeroNowhere
11th December 2008, 17:18
I have heard reoports that it was due to a ricochet bullet from a warning shot.

The police says that a police car at Exarchia was attacked by anarchists with rocks and bats and one of the cops shoot in the air (or ground) to scare them off and the bullet hit somewhere, changed course and hit the boy on the chest. However there are eye witnesses that state that there was no attack, only shouts against the cops and that the cop took a straight shot on the boy. The media also mentioned that there are leaks from inside the police verifying the eye witnesses but the official police statement denies that.
.

Vendetta
11th December 2008, 17:35
Pretty hard for a ricochet fired into the air to turn back around and hit someone in the chest like that, don't you think?

Killfacer
11th December 2008, 17:40
Obviously it flew up into the air, went really high and just fell on him from a great height. :confused:

cop an Attitude
11th December 2008, 19:05
yeah I only heard one report about the stray bullet and I had my supisions. Its most likly said to atempt to reduce blame on the police. Ethier way the police are to blame with their past opression and violent tactics. The greek people are doing what is right and actully getting their voices heard. It angers me thought that almost every news station in the US is not mentioning why they are rioting besides the fact that Alex was shot. Also I have only heard one news report mentioning anarchists. another example of news frameworking.

Sasha
11th December 2008, 21:33
the cop who shot alexandros was an member of the neo-nazi/fascist organisation "golden dawn", what an coincedence that he was involved in the "accidental" shooting of an anarchist huh....
even leaks in the police force confirm the cops shot alexandros directly and intentioly

bcbm
11th December 2008, 21:35
Now they're spreading outside of Greece...


Suspected anarchist protests which have dogged Greece for the last week spread outside the country today, with mobs causing violent scenes in Italy, Spain, Russia, Denmark and Turkey.
Greek diplomatic missions were vandalised in the attacks, while police, local authority and media representatives were also targeted in what appeared a co-ordinated escalation.
The upsurge took place as protests continued in Greece following the killing last Saturday of Alexandros Grigoropoulos.
Today, mobs pelted 20 police stations with rocks and bottles, overturned cars and blocked streets in central Athens. Police responded with tear gas as sporadic violence persisted amid Greece’s worst rioting in decades.


Four people were detained and at least one man was hospitalised with injuries, authorities said. In a gesture which appeared designed to ease the violence, MPs held a minute of silence for Mr Grigoropoulos.
Yet what were originally relatively localised protests over the killing have since been hijacked by mobs of self-styled anarchists who authorities say are looking for trouble, and today they spread out of Greece for the first time.
In Denmark, a total of 32 people were arrested in Copenhagen after protests turned violent while, in Madrid and Barcelona, several police officers were injured and 11 people were arrested following clashes.
The violence also spread to Turkey, where a dozen protesters were reported to have painted the Turkish-flag red on the Greek consulate. In Moscow and Rome, meanwhile, petrol bombs were reported to have been aimed at Greek Embassies.
Meanwhile, a crew of television journalists from Russia were attacked by 50 youths as they filmed clashes in Exarchia, Greece, a known hotbed of student radicalism. One correspondent from the NTV television station was injured.
So far, hundreds of stores throughout Greece have been damaged or destroyed as gangs of masked youths and self-styled anarchists smashed windows with metal bars, looted stores and set up flaming street barricades in cities.
Greece’s conservative government has come under intense criticism for its handling of the crisis, despite authorities’ insistence that they avoided heavy handed policing to prevent bloodshed.
Costas Karamanlis, the Greek Prime Minister, whose government has a single-seat majority in parliament, has ignored growing opposition calls for early elections. However, he has promised shopkeepers affected by riots handouts of 10,000 Euros to cover short-term needs.
An opinion poll published yesterday showed that 68 per cent of Greeks disapproved of the government’s handling of the crisis, however. Even before the riots, the government was already facing public discontent over the state of the economy, the poor job prospects for students and a series of financial scandals.
"We demand accountability, that this government resigns, and that this farce comes to an end," Spyros Potamias, a 28-year-old architecture student said as he demonstrated at a polytechnic in Athens.
Store owners and most of the public expressed anger, however, that the police had not been firmer with the rioters as they embarked upon what appeared to be a rampage of destruction.
"I can accept anger, I cannot accept looting," said Michael Lavdiotis, manager of a looted Athens coffee shop, where food and even furniture was stolen. "They took everything ... we’re very frustrated. We didn’t deserve this behaviour."
Greece’s influential Orthodox Church has joined authorities in appealing for calm, as more student protests are believed to be planned for tomorrow.
"This tragedy cannot be resolved by burning and destroying the property of people who themselves have problems," said Church leader Archbishop Ieronymos.

Pogue
11th December 2008, 21:37
Are things quietning down now? Have the communists seen any increases in support for their groups? Whats the union situation looking like? Where are things going to go?

Sasha
11th December 2008, 21:45
indy uk reports this;
Over 30 police vehicles, both marked and unmarked, were attacked in Bristol last night by anarchists with catapults. 2 sites were targetted, Broomhill Road in Brislington and Poplar Way in Avonmouth and extensive damage done.

also in both madris and barcalona big demo's took place last night with turned violent.

al over germany solidarity demo's have been taking place.

in greece, altough the pitch street batles seem to quite down (a very small bit) it is now replaced by cordinated attacks on police office's (more than 20 attacked all over greece within one hour this morning)

optimist
11th December 2008, 23:06
tomorrow there are demonstrations planned in athens and in other big cities.in athens at 12 noon there are 2 ,high school and university students in both of them but in different places 400 metres away.nothing ends,not because of communists of all kinds, or anarchists,but because high school kids wont let it end.today the 22 police stations were attacked by hundreds of local kids,regardless the area,from working class to high class suburbs.they feel that alexis was one of their friends and they cant forget.

bcbm
12th December 2008, 19:28
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/media/ALeqM5gHz8pEeliRZMrL508LVu3m6Ny2mw?size=m

Greeks riot for 7th day; anger at govt escalates

By ELENA BECATOROS and DEREK GATOPOULOS – 1 hour ago
ATHENS, Greece (AP) — Greek youths hurled rocks and Molotov cocktails and heavily armed Athens police responded with stun grenades and tear gas Friday, as deep discontent with the government and the global economic meltdown erupted on the country's seventh straight day of riots.
Greece's prime minister rejected calls to resign and hold early elections, insisting Friday that a steady hand was needed in times of financial crisis.
"There should be no confusion between the emotions felt by young students over the tragic death of a colleague ... and this destructive mania," Prime Minister Costas Karamanlis said Friday.
Terrified workers in banks along Athens' central Syntagma Square watched in fear as protesters shattered windows just replaced days ago after being damaged in the worst riots Greece has experienced in decades.
Protesters also smashed their way into the main branch of the National Bank of Greece, sending employees fleeing in panic. One protester walked up to the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier outside Parliament and threw a black-and-red anarchist flag at it. Petrol bombs left one policeman covered in flames.
Protesters briefly occupied a private Athens radio station and read a statement on the air and took over a municipal building in the northwestern city of Ioannina.
The riots broke out Saturday within hours of the police shooting death of 15-year-old Alexandros Grigoropoulos, and have since expanded to encompass general anger over economic hardship. Hundreds of stores and dozens of cars have been destroyed or damaged in cities across the country.
"What started as an outburst of rage over Alexandros' killing is now becoming a more organized form of protest," said Petros Constantinou of the Socialist Workers Party.
The violence has hammered Karamanlis' conservative government, which already faced vociferous opposition to economic and social reforms. Karamanlis, whose party has only a single seat majority in parliament, rejected calls for him to resign, saying Friday that Greece needed to focus instead on the global financial crisis.
"That is my concern and the concern and the priority of the government, and not scenarios about elections and successions," Karamanlis said in Brussels, Belgium, where he was attending an European Union leaders meeting on climate change.
A spokesman for the opposition Socialists said the government was "refusing to face reality."
Protesters who are occupying high schools and universities are demanding a reversal of public spending cuts, the resignation of the country's interior minister and the release of arrested riot suspects.
About 200 people have been arrested during the riots and 70 injured.
As unrest spilled over into other European cities, concerns have been raised that the clashes could be a trigger for opponents of globalization, disaffected youth and others outraged by the continent's economic turmoil and soaring unemployment.
"Financial targets are being attacked — like banks — to prove a point of economic oppression ... some people hardly have enough eat," said Constantinos Sakkas, a 23-year-old protest organizer.
"We're against the attacks on small stores," he added. "The purpose of all this is for our demands to be heard. This just isn't for us. It's for everyone."
Protesters in Spain, Denmark and Italy this week have smashed shop windows, pelted police with bottles and attacked banks, while in France, cars were set ablaze outside the Greek consulate in Bordeaux.
Turkish leftists staged a peaceful protest Friday outside the Greek consulate in Istanbul, carrying a banner reading: "We're saluting the resistance of the Greek people."
"End the police terrorism!" the group chanted before dispersing.
The two police officers involved in the shooting have been jailed pending trial, one for murder and the other as an accomplice. They say they were attacked by a group of youths and that one officer had fired warning shots, but witnesses have disputed the claim.
Their defense lawyer, Alexis Cougias, said ballistics testing of the bullet that killed Grigoropoulos showed it had ricocheted. The ballistics report has not been released.
Greek police will review their firearms policy, Panayiotis Chinofotis, the deputy minister for Public Order, assured parliament on Friday.
Protestors are planning daily marches in the capital next week.

F9
16th December 2008, 21:58
http://www.gate9.com.cy/gallery/albums/userpics/10001/normal_IMG_0592.JPG (http://javascript%3Cb%3E%3C/b%3E:;)
the black banner with white text says: a 15 year old dead of a cops bullet, above the usual and global ACAB, and next Alexi you live

http://www.gate9.com.cy/gallery/albums/userpics/10001/normal_IMG_0595.JPG
(http://javascript%3Cb%3E%3C/b%3E:;)white banner with black and red text: COPS EXECUTE...... ORDERS

http://www.gate9.com.cy/gallery/albums/userpics/10001/normal_IMG_0348.JPG
(http://javascript%3Cb%3E%3C/b%3E:;)^^

http://www.gate9.com.cy/gallery/albums/userpics/10001/normal_IMG_0354.JPG
(http://javascript%3Cb%3E%3C/b%3E:;)white banner on right of ACAB: Murderers in uniform


http://www.gate9.com.cy/gallery/albums/userpics/10001/normal_IMG_0349.JPG (http://javascript%3Cb%3E%3C/b%3E:;)

Around 300 people protest last sunday on our way to the field, a km or 2, 300 people only from one stand(GATE9) without Anarchists(beside me of course:p) or other people from the antiauthoritarian movement of cyprus, its a very good number for our "history" in protests, we dont usually overcome 200!A lot of slogans were said mainly against cops, and in the memory of Alexis!
Cops didnt appear at all in our way, just one came and tried to take some pictures but he understood that he isnt "welcomed" and he left!We had some problems in the entrances to the field, but they knew that we could do whatever we want so they let us pass!
(http://javascript%3Cb%3E%3C/b%3E:;)

mykittyhasaboner
16th December 2008, 22:03
Some great high-quality pictures here (http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2008/12/2008_greek_riots.html).

BIG BROTHER
16th December 2008, 22:04
All right man, thank you for sharing this historical pictures!:thumbup:

Dóchas
16th December 2008, 22:09
Some great high-quality pictures here (http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2008/12/2008_greek_riots.html).

those pictures are awsome!! i cant help laughing to myself when i see police imersed in flames...pity they were extinguished

Drace
17th December 2008, 04:57
Just what are they protesting against? Anything political? Or just mad over the shooting?

Black Sheep
18th December 2008, 14:33
ANOTHER KID WAS SHOT YESTERDAY Wed. 17/12 by an "unidentified person", undercover cop most probably.Fortunately he was shot on the arm from a distance.The kid was a member of the Communist Youth of Greece,a student and an active syndicalist,and the news said that A NEIGHBOUR MIGHT HAVE SHOT HIM BECAUSE HE WAS BEING LOUD AND IT WAS 23:00 !!!!!

fucking hell!


FUCK

Psy
18th December 2008, 17:19
Just what are they protesting against? Anything political? Or just mad over the shooting?
They really didn't like the goverment prior to the shooting so I'd say they are protesting against the goverment.

Dóchas
18th December 2008, 17:22
those greeks must be realyy organised because there seems to be hardly any police infiltration. if there was the the protests would have ended long ago...how do they do it? :confused:

F9
18th December 2008, 17:46
those greeks must be realyy organised because there seems to be hardly any police infiltration. if there was the the protests would have ended long ago...how do they do it? :confused:

its called passion!Passion for better days, passion for better living, passion for fellow comrades solidarity!

Dóchas
18th December 2008, 17:49
its called passion!Passion for better days, passion for better living, passion for fellow comrades solidarity!

oh i see man...you guys must be overflowing with it!!! :lol:

F9
18th December 2008, 17:55
oh i see man...you guys must be overflowing with it!!! :lol:

i am not in greece, nor a greek!;)
I just seem to know things better and from closer, because we speak the same language and i have easy navigation on whats happening there, plus a lot of friends that study there and inform me!:p

Fuserg9:star:

Dóchas
18th December 2008, 17:56
i am not in greece, nor a greek!;)
I just seem to know things better and from closer, because we speak the same language and i have easy navigation on whats happening there, plus a lot of friends that study there and inform me!:p

Fuserg9:star:

ye sorry bout that i even knew you werent greek, sorry :blushing:

BIG BROTHER
18th December 2008, 19:58
so can anyone give me some updates on the situation?

bcbm
18th December 2008, 19:59
Goto google news and search "Greece." There are major protests in Athens planned for today, or they've probably already happened by now.

Wanted Man
18th December 2008, 20:01
Well, one development that another poster already mentioned was that a young militant was shot at yesterday. Giorgios Paplomatas was wounded in the attack. He is a member of the communist youth. Statement from the KKE here: http://inter.kke.gr/

bcbm
18th December 2008, 20:04
Well, one development that another poster already mentioned was that a young militant was shot at yesterday. Giorgios Paplomatas was wounded in the attack. He is a member of the communist youth. Statement from the KKE here: http://inter.kke.gr/


This murderous attack, that aims against the organized student’s movement and its elected organs, will be given an immediate response through the intensification of struggle for the problems of education and the fight against all forms of repression mechanisms, against the anti-peoples’ policy.

By condemning the occupations and rioters, no doubt. :rolleyes:

bcbm
18th December 2008, 20:46
Digging this letter...


An open letter to students by workers in Athens, against the background of the social upheaval following the police shooting of a young boy. A letter to students. Our age difference and the general estrangement make it difficult for us to discuss with you in the streets; this is why we send you this letter. Most of us have not (yet) been bald or big-bellied. We are part of the 1990-91 movement. You must have heard of it.

A letter to students, December 2008

An open letter to students by workers in Athens, against the background of the social upheaval following the police shooting of a young boy.

A letter to students

Our age difference and the general estrangement make it difficult for us to discuss with you in the streets; this is why we send you this letter.

Most of us have not (yet) been bald or big-bellied. We are part of the 1990-91 movement. You must have heard of it. Back then, and while we had occupied our schools for 30-35 days, fascists killed a teacher because he had gone beyond his natural role (that of being our guard) and crossed the line to the opposite side; he had come with us, into our struggle. Then, even the toughest of us got to the streets and riot. However, we didn’t even think of doing what you easily do today: attack police stations (although we sang “burn police stations…”).

So, you’re gone beyond us, as always happens in history. Conditions are different of course. During ‘90s they passed us off the prospect of personal success and some of us swallowed it. Now people cannot believe this fairy tale. Your older brothers showed us this during the 2006-07 students’ movement; you now spit their fairy tale to their faces.

So far so good.

Now the good and difficult matters begin.

We’ll tell you what we’ve learned from our struggles and our defeats (because as long as world is not ours we’ll always be the defeated ones) and you can use what we’ve learned as you wish:

Don’t stay alone. Call us; call as many people as possible. We don’t know how you can do that, you will find the way. You’ve already occupied your schools and you tell us that the most important reason is that you don’t like your schools. Nice. Since you’ve already occupied them change their role. Share your occupations with other people. Let your schools become the first buildings to house our new relations. Their most powerful weapon is dividing us. Just like you are not afraid of attacking their police stations because you are together, don’t be afraid to call us to change our life all together.

Don’t listen to any political organization (either anarchists or anyone). Do what you need to. Trust people, not abstract schemes and ideas. Trust your direct relations with people. Trust your friends; make as many people as possible in your struggle your people. Don’t listen to them when they’re saying that your struggle doesn’t have a political content and must seemingly obtain. Your struggle is the content. You only have your struggle and it’s in your hands to preserve its advance. It’s only your struggle that can change your life, namely you and the real relations with your fellowmen.

Don’t be afraid to proceed when confronting new things. Each one of us, as we’re getting older, has things planted in their brains. You too, although you are young. Don’t forget the importance of this fact. Back in 1991, we confronted the smell of the new world and, trust us, we found it difficult. We learned that there must always be limits. Don’t be scared by the destruction of commodities. Don’t be scared by people looting stores. We make all these, they are ours. You (just like we in the past) are raised to get up every morning in order to make things that they will later not be yours. Let’s get them back all together and share them. Just like we share our friends and the love among us.

We apologize for writing this letter quickly, but we do it swinging the lead from our work, secretly from our boss. We are imprisoned in work, just like you are imprisoned in school.

We’ll now lie to our boss and leave work: we’ll come to meet you in Syntagma sq with stones in our hands.

Proletarians