Ghost Writer
27th July 2003, 07:38
I was recently challenged by someone who disagreed with my assertion that communists acted as cannibals during the Bolshevik Uprising. I thought it was significant enough to warrant its own thread. The following is his response to my calling Bolsheviks cannibals, and my history lesson to the ignorant.
Tell me where do you get these completely stupid thoughts from? It is obviously false yet you still say such rubbish? I realise that a lot of the time you are being sarcastic, unless you are insane, but I still wonder where you get it from?
You are an idiot. It would be wise for you to learn the history of the politics you subscribe to. Any moron should be able to deduce that I did not mean cannibalism in the literal sense, but rather a figurative sense. If anyone wishes to understand what was meant by my statement, I suggest reading the 25 page document, "Workers' Unrest and the Bosheviks' Response in 1919" (http://www.angelfire.com/nb/revhist17/brovkin2large.pdf), by Vladimir Brovkin. This essay appeared in the Slavic Review, Volume 49, Issue 3.
Basically, what it says is that following the October Revolution, which most workers supported in solidarity with their socialist counterparts, degraded into widespread discontent of the workers, due to poor treatment and mismanagement by the commissars.
At this time, the Bolsheviks Reds were actively involved in fighting a civil war against the Whites. The period between 1917-1921 marked a time of peasant uprisings, and general strikes, by people who felt that the Bolsheviks were betraying the workers, who used their namesake as justification for their revolution. Poor rationing, and the suspension of free-elections of factory management left them with bitter feelings that moved them to express their anger in gradually increasing levels. Further ignoring the demands of the people led to widespread disillusionment.
These groups of workers where classified as Mensheviks, Leftist SR's, and White Guardist conspirators. Thus, the Bolshevik leadership lumped them into the classification of the enemy they were fighting, and treated them accordingly. Wide-scale arrests, reduction of rations, and mass executions were the result. To conclude, this document supports my assertion that communists have acted in a cannibalistic manner in the past, specifically following the October Revolution.
Many of the people killed in this time frame were supporters of the original revolution that had felt betrayed by power-seeking revolutionaries that viewed a dictatorship of the proletariat as a dictatorship by them, and only them. The effect was to further alienate a larger population by 1921. What followed from this was the need to further quell elements that had become hostile to the new regime. This time period started the precedent of labeling subversives, that later evolved into denouncing the opposition as enemies of the people, saboteurs, and hidden enemies used by Stalin during his purges.
If you want to know of further accounts of Bolshevik barbarism, research their use of enemy mutilation. Many times the bodies of civilian men, women, and children were mutilated and left hanging as a warning to other subversives. To them it wasn't enough to leave a pile of bodies in the cities they took, but sometimes they had to resort to the most despicable acts of warfare, which is to desecrate your enemies body. Communists are truly sickening creatures.
(Edited by Ghost Writer at 7:41 am on July 27, 2003)
Tell me where do you get these completely stupid thoughts from? It is obviously false yet you still say such rubbish? I realise that a lot of the time you are being sarcastic, unless you are insane, but I still wonder where you get it from?
You are an idiot. It would be wise for you to learn the history of the politics you subscribe to. Any moron should be able to deduce that I did not mean cannibalism in the literal sense, but rather a figurative sense. If anyone wishes to understand what was meant by my statement, I suggest reading the 25 page document, "Workers' Unrest and the Bosheviks' Response in 1919" (http://www.angelfire.com/nb/revhist17/brovkin2large.pdf), by Vladimir Brovkin. This essay appeared in the Slavic Review, Volume 49, Issue 3.
Basically, what it says is that following the October Revolution, which most workers supported in solidarity with their socialist counterparts, degraded into widespread discontent of the workers, due to poor treatment and mismanagement by the commissars.
At this time, the Bolsheviks Reds were actively involved in fighting a civil war against the Whites. The period between 1917-1921 marked a time of peasant uprisings, and general strikes, by people who felt that the Bolsheviks were betraying the workers, who used their namesake as justification for their revolution. Poor rationing, and the suspension of free-elections of factory management left them with bitter feelings that moved them to express their anger in gradually increasing levels. Further ignoring the demands of the people led to widespread disillusionment.
These groups of workers where classified as Mensheviks, Leftist SR's, and White Guardist conspirators. Thus, the Bolshevik leadership lumped them into the classification of the enemy they were fighting, and treated them accordingly. Wide-scale arrests, reduction of rations, and mass executions were the result. To conclude, this document supports my assertion that communists have acted in a cannibalistic manner in the past, specifically following the October Revolution.
Many of the people killed in this time frame were supporters of the original revolution that had felt betrayed by power-seeking revolutionaries that viewed a dictatorship of the proletariat as a dictatorship by them, and only them. The effect was to further alienate a larger population by 1921. What followed from this was the need to further quell elements that had become hostile to the new regime. This time period started the precedent of labeling subversives, that later evolved into denouncing the opposition as enemies of the people, saboteurs, and hidden enemies used by Stalin during his purges.
If you want to know of further accounts of Bolshevik barbarism, research their use of enemy mutilation. Many times the bodies of civilian men, women, and children were mutilated and left hanging as a warning to other subversives. To them it wasn't enough to leave a pile of bodies in the cities they took, but sometimes they had to resort to the most despicable acts of warfare, which is to desecrate your enemies body. Communists are truly sickening creatures.
(Edited by Ghost Writer at 7:41 am on July 27, 2003)