Question for Stalinists - On Judaism

[Klondike]

I have seen many fellow comrades, mostly Stalinists, express generalizations of Jewish people as counter-revolutionary or the Jewish faith as a counter-revolutionary one, more so than other religions. Somehow they have decided that Judaism is a reactionary bourgeois doctrine, and all I want to know is how this is so. How is Judaism more destructive to our cause than any other religion?

[Vinny Rafarino]

I do not know of any "stalinist" individuals that support anti-semitism. As a member of many "stalinist" organisations for 20 years I can say I am quite knowledgeable in this field. Any individual that expresses racist views towards ANY community is not a Marxist/Leninist.

[Cassius Clay]

It's not. Judaism like all other religions is reactionary rubbish, but no more so than the others. I'm not sure who your talking about, Stalin was absoblutly NOT a anti-semite and 'Stalinists' are and have been fighting anti-semtism since before Hitler came to power. Your probably confusing us with NB's who are just little kids in Russia wanting a return to the days of 'Empire'.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

I always wondered what Ymir's sig is all about. It says something along the lines of I do not have as many computers as there are Jewish fingers up Malte's ass--Che Guevara

I have no idea if he's a stalinist or what.

[Vinny Rafarino]

The jury is still out on Ymir. He means well enough however his young age still prevents him from being completely free of the programming his parents have surely done to him.

[YKTMX]

On the contrary, Jews (is the word Jews PC?) have had a particular storming part in revolutionary history. Marx, Trotsky and even Lenin were Jewish or had Jewish blood. In fact, one of the main tenets of Nazi anit-semitism was that all Jews were "Bolsheviks". What Stalinists have to say about this......who cares?

[Guardia Bolivariano]

Lenin was the son of jews that convertid to cristianity I think..

[Invader Zim]

Quote: from Cassius Clay on 12:18 pm on July 27, 2003
It's not. Judaism like all other religions is reactionary rubbish, but no more so than the others. I'm not sure who your talking about, Stalin was absoblutly NOT a anti-semite and 'Stalinists' are and have been fighting anti-semtism since before Hitler came to power. Your probably confusing us with NB's who are just little kids in Russia wanting a return to the days of 'Empire'.


Amen to that...

Bah religion is just stupid anyway, the whole thing is full of idiotic contradictions. Anyway through out history religion has been used as yet another tool of the landed classes to place fear into the minds of the lower classes and use it as a weapon to control them. Fuck religion.

[Saint-Just]

Quote: from YouKnowTheyMurderedX on 1:15 am on July 28, 2003
On the contrary, Jews (is the word Jews PC?) have had a particular storming part in revolutionary history. Marx, Trotsky and even Lenin were Jewish or had Jewish blood. In fact, one of the main tenets of Nazi anit-semitism was that all Jews were "Bolsheviks". What Stalinists have to say about this......who cares?


What are you on about? What do you mean no one cares what 'Stalinists have to say'. If you look at the thread on this site 'On The Jewish Question' you can see Marx said society has to be emancipated from the Jew for the Jew to be emancipated from Judaism.

We know these Marx and Lenin were from Jewish blood, but they didn't pursue the religion.

Hitler also said that Jews were capitalists. What the Stalinists say is not that Jews are counterrevolutionary but that Judaism and Jewish culture is. And, Karl Marx agreed with us.

How can you suggest that the Judaism would somehow fit with Marxism. All Marxists mustbe atheists.

[Ymir]

"I always wondered what Ymir's sig is all about. It says something along the lines of I do not have as many computers as there are Jewish fingers up Malte's ass--Che Guevara

I have no idea if he's a stalinist or what. "

It was written by a former member of Che-lives.com CheGuevara and he wrote it in spanish but I translated it. He was banned because he didn't like Jews.

I am a Stalinist because I support Stalin's USSR as a legitimate continuation of Lenin's ideas, and I believe that Stalin was a Marxist-Leninist. I wouldn't find it necessary to label myself a Stalinist if the Trots did not accuse him of being a traitor.

"The jury is still out on Ymir. He means well enough however his young age still prevents him from being completely free of the programming his parents have surely done to him. "

What programming?


My opinion on Jews, is based on my personal experiences with them in the USA. The Jews I know live in the wealthy neighborhoods with the rest of the bourgeoisie. I am against these Jews because I am against the bourgeoisie. I would not be regretful about eliminating the bourgeois simply because they had some minorities with them. The Jews I knew were lawyers and computer tycoons. One Jew owned a three-story, $3,000,000 home, with an elevator...

[Vinny Rafarino]

Don't take offense comrade Ymir. I am referring to you in the sense that you are new chick hatched from an egg which is indeed true. Your views are still being formulated by your environment and your intellect. You are on the correct path of shedding the bourgoise ideals of capitalism yet I feel it is a safe bet that your are not completely secure in what you believe. There are not insults comrade. I am proud that you have chosen the proper path for yourself and will continue to provide you with whatever you need in the future.

[Ymir]

So you were not thinking of any specific "programming"?

[Vinny Rafarino]

No. It was a simple generalisation. Nothing too specific. It would indeed be ignorant of us to assume you have shed all of your capitalist programming. There still should still be some small "wrinkles" that need to be ironed out.