save me from the nazi trash - michigan is home to the americ

[Anarchist Freedom]

i live in michigan the same state as the American nazi party !!! ahh somone save me !! and destroy those nazi scum look at this nazi trash in my god damn state! http://www.americannaziparty.com i cannot fathom the problems i am pissed off and disturbed beyond belief that the US allows this shit in here its all bushes fault!

[Invader Zim]

White girls who refuse the advances of Negroids, are publicly gang-raped so as to serve as examples to other shuddering Aryan females. Children are now taken from their houses, by force, to be brought up in a "Multi-Cultural" home of Negroids, Arabs, Muslims and Gooks, all in the name of "brotherhood and love"...

Excuse me while I laugh my self to tears, and then cry until I puke, and puke until I die.

Black and white unite.

[Felicia]

the poster reads

"White Power

for white people

FIGHT!!"


Yeah, like white people have ever need to fight for their power and freedom, they do a good job of repressing and oppressing others and then taking it from them :angry:

edit: do they have a messageboard? ;) :biggrin:

(Edited by felicia at 10:23 am on July 27, 2003)

[Exploited Class]

Quote: from Socialistfreedom88 on 4:32 pm on July 26, 2003
i cannot fathom the problems i am pissed off and disturbed beyond belief that the US allows this shit in here its all bushes fault!


Its called the freedom of speech, and because of this freedom you will have to hear and see things you don't like to. The same rights afforded to me, in theory are the same rights afforded to anybody else. So if they don't get to talk, you don't get to post on message boards anymore.

I am trying to understand how you can pin this one on Bush. I mean, I hate the guy but I doubt he has any connection with the last 400 years of racism. He just doesn't do anything to make it better is all.

And yes, if you aren't part of the solution you're part of the problem. The problem is racism will never leave because of any one leader, it will leave because the people chose it so.

[Felicia]

But you'd think that because it's infringing on the rights of others not to be a victim of racism and racist slander that the nazi party promotes ...... but it IS america after all, a person's individual rights don't seem to be the most important.

Here in canada, we had a German neo-nazi named Zundel, he's been trying for decades to get refugee status in canada and we're against it, he says that if he goes back to Germany he'll be tried (I think for his websites, books, etc) so he went to the US for 10 years (roughly) and now he's back in canada.... oh, did I mention that we keep him in prison? Not out in the world with everyone else who lives here :biggrin:

....We don't tolerate this, let alone us have an actual party, that's just sick.

But for selfamusment, I'm going to see if I can find some far-right parties in canada :biggrin:

[dannie]

mhm, this makes me want to take a rifle, put those racists against the wall and make them feel what they stand for,
but yet again... they have the law on their side :'(

in beglium, we have a far right party too, they like want, police to track down non belgian people and expell them from belgium or taxes for everyone who employes non european people

grmbl, this is discusting

soz for my crappy english

[Felicia]

I have searched and searched and haven't found a profoundly right-wing party in canada. Everyone knows that canada's conservatives are like americas liberals, I'm don't think that you's find any party remotely nazi in canada.... and good too!

[dannie]

http://www.vlaamsblok.be/index.shtml

in the upper corner you can get englisch or french version

extreme right party in belgium (altough they try to voer it up)

[Rastafari]

well, to the folks in the middle, socialism and nazism are near-equal evils. But at least us commie scums don't preach hate and act like we love God. sickening, some people are

[FAB]

i cannot fathom the problems i am pissed off and disturbed beyond belief that the US allows this shit in here its all bushes fault!


that is what freedom in west-"democratic" countries means. the freedom of rascists and capitalists!

[Inti2]

Oh my gosh! "yawn"...

How many are there in this nazi party?? I bet I could take out both of them with half a fart.. The nazis are so ridiculous... They have been trying for years and years here in Sweden, but they havent really got the peoples support, and that isnt that hard to understand. But now it is a little bit harder in sweden to point them out, they used to have no hair on their heads and big bomber jackets and boots.. and full of swastikas.. How are they in Michigan? I used to go with anti racist groups and have a little bit of fun in the evenings a long time ago.. Good old days.. I say you should bunch them up and send them with fedex to Dubya giftwrapped and with some pretzels.. I have heard that the president loves it.. Or when you send them away, you could send them to me as a last resort.. Me and me friends can handle them..

[F_Hayek]

Originally posted by [email protected] 28 2003, 04:27 AM
i cannot fathom the problems i am pissed off and disturbed beyond belief that the US allows this shit in here its all bushes fault!

that is what freedom in west-"democratic" countries means. the freedom of rascists and capitalists!

Yeah, we should send them all to the gulags!

You should be glad that you have freedom of speech, I wish we had it here in Holland. We have to go to court if we want to start a civil conversation by saying things like "How come no muslim country is democratic?"

[Totalitarian]

I find it ironic that the German government still locks people up for their political beliefs.

[Hampton]

And America dosen't do the same? Oh sorry, they don't have any political prisoners. :lol:

[Totalitarian]

Originally posted by [email protected] 2 2003, 02:35 AM
And America dosen't do the same? Oh sorry, they don't have any political prisoners. :lol:
I never said that, but which prisoners in particular are you referring to?

[Hampton]

Mumia Abu-Jamal
H. Rap Brown
Marshal Eddie Conway
Dr. Mutulu Shakur
Leonard Peltier
The MOVE 8
Herman "Hooks" Wallace

[Vinny Rafarino]

Good show comrade hampton. You indeed gave that bastard a good shot to the ribs. I think perhaps you may have made his liver bleed.




Here's how YOU can save YOURSELF from these monkeys socialistfreedom88;

Get yourself a nice .308 bolt action rifle. Purchase a high-powered scope and some sort of sound suppression device and begin clippping these maggots.

[Totalitarian]

Originally posted by COMRADE [email protected] 2 2003, 07:36 AM

Get yourself a nice .308 bolt action rifle. Purchase a high-powered scope and some sort of sound suppression device and begin clippping these maggots.
Why are you so full of hate and anger?

[redstarshining]

Originally posted by [email protected] 27 2003, 03:53 PM

Quote: from Socialistfreedom88 on 4:32 pm on July 26, 2003
i cannot fathom the problems i am pissed off and disturbed beyond belief that the US allows this shit in here its all bushes fault!


Its called the freedom of speech, and because of this freedom you will have to hear and see things you don't like to. The same rights afforded to me, in theory are the same rights afforded to anybody else. So if they don't get to talk, you don't get to post on message boards anymore.

I am trying to understand how you can pin this one on Bush. I mean, I hate the guy but I doubt he has any connection with the last 400 years of racism. He just doesn't do anything to make it better is all.

And yes, if you aren't part of the solution you're part of the problem. The problem is racism will never leave because of any one leader, it will leave because the people chose it so.
Everyone should have a right to his/her opinion and a right to freely express this opinion.
Racism however, is not an opinion, but rather the expression of natural xenophobia, which is inherent in many people ( the superiority of one "race" over another has not been scientifically proven, and never will. The concept of "pure races" has been disproven. We are at a stage of historical and scientific developement at which this fact can be considered 'commen knowledge' ). This natural, innate fear of the foreign -which could be suppressed and overcome by constructive social education- is used by political parties mostly for political agitation.

Therefore I say that racism is not an opinion, but the manifestation of a lack of social competence. If this is true, political agitation which is based on racism cannot be considered an opinion either, but a crime. The results of this kind of agitation have always been devastating.

But back to freedom of speech. Like all abstract terms, freedom is always relative to its context. The freedom of one group of people always means a lack of freedom for others. Therefore you have to ask yourself which is more important, total, uncompromising freedom of speech or the freedom for everyone to live in a society that does not encourage racial discrimination, the spread of hatred and baseless fear?
I would always chose the latter.

solution: "objective" debate should be tolerated ( even if it is in most cases disgusting )
Racist propaganda, or racist parties should be made illegal.

[Vinny Rafarino]

Why are they so full of hate? Why are you such an imbecile? How many licks does it take to get to the tootsie roll centre of a tootsie pop?

[Sabocat]

Originally posted by [email protected] 1 2003, 10:11 PM
Mumia Abu-Jamal
H. Rap Brown
Marshal Eddie Conway
Dr. Mutulu Shakur
Leonard Peltier
The MOVE 8
Herman "Hooks" Wallace
...and the Miami 5.



Get yourself a nice .308 bolt action rifle. Purchase a high-powered scope and some sort of sound suppression device and begin clippping these maggots.

Mmmm.....308....supremely accurate....nice flat trajectory.

[Vinny Rafarino]

Agreed comrade Disgustapated. I have found the .308 round to be perfect for extremely long range "target" shooting.

[Anarchist Freedom]

well people i respect the fact that they have a differnet point of veiw but i dont like the fact that this nazi bullshit is in america there is not going be a helter skelter like charlie manson predicited yes white people are moving to become the minorty but its highly unlikely that were gunan be hung and women will be gang raped it is sad though that they have rascism. like why do they still have the KKK what do they do when they meet huh"do we hate everyone still yep ok seeya next week " cmon rasicm is an old and outdated theory that will not work in society today but its america so who am i to judge? also in michigan there all a bunch of right wingers little *****es today i was proud beacause on my way to my friends i took this persons support our troops sign and threw it at her house 8 D fuck bush thx all screw nazis!

[Vinny Rafarino]

If you feel that these cretins are not a threat then why did you make such a "passionate" plea for assistance? If you think they are harmless, then why don't you attend one of their meetings and yell "I'm a communist whole loves black people and jews and I think you are all morons!"

Sounds absured right? Of course it is. Underestimating your opponent's will to survive is one of the biggest tactical mistakes that can be made. Nazi's have no intention of simply marching off into the sunset to the german national anthem.

[elijahcraig]

Nazis are possessed by a nonsensical ideology, which leaves them with the ability to, while possessed with this nonsensical ideology, to commit acts of terror against anyone at anytime, depending on who their nonsensical ideals catch onto. It's class struggle, the same as everything else.

And, when's the last time killing nazis was considered a crime?

[Vinny Rafarino]

In some states and countries I believe it's possible to kill Nazis and easily get either a mistrial with the DA refusing to re-file charges or a complete jury acquittal.


It's simply better to not get caught.

[elijahcraig]

Here's a guy who killed a nazi and is in prison. And he was defending his little brother!:

Nazi Killer (http://www.worldrevolution.org.uk/pages/campaigns/mariointro.html)

[Felicia]

Originally posted by COMRADE [email protected] 4 2003, 01:37 AM
..... why don't you attend one of their meetings and yell "I'm a communist whole loves black people and jews and I think you are all morons!"
I'd do that :lol:

[Felicia]

Originally posted by [email protected] 4 2003, 03:12 AM
Here's a guy who killed a nazi and is in prison. And he was defending his little brother!:

Nazi Killer (http://www.worldrevolution.org.uk/pages/campaigns/mariointro.html)
That's unbelievable :(

[Abiyot]

In terms of my sentiments, regarding Nazi, far right etc scum, I am with Comrade RAF, Disgustapated etc. "Extermination" is the only solution. As for debate, discussion, exchange of views, "democracy" and so on. I believe that the extreme right should be always regarded with caution and always "fought". Remember, your history, it was the German Nazis, Italian Fascists and their scum allies in the rest of the World, that were responsible for WW2 and the holocaust which led to the organised, genocidal externimation of Jews, Roma, Russians, Poles and others. So I think it should never be forgotten what they are capable of. And all actions, stances and positions regarding the far right should be framed with this historical memory in mind.

I believe that there is some sort of symbiotic relationship between "liberal democracy" as a political system and extreme right wing politics and issues. Very simplistically, and at the same time objectively, we could argue that "liberal democracy" is a form of Capitalist/Bourgeoisie class rule. Within this context, we have the civil, political liberties, the multiparty system, regualr periodic elections. But all this occurs in a context, where objectively and structurally the interests of the privilegded social groups are not substantially threatened. Gramsci's notions of hegemony are also very useful here. I think that the far right here objectively and structurally, in its policies , programmatic intentions and actions plays an important role in ensuring the survival of the system, (very functionalist reading but,,,). The far right functions as a vent, it allows accumulated pressures and resentments to be defused safely and harmlessly (the vacuous populistic and false socialistic slogans and intentions of these organizations which appeal so much to the lumpen, petit bourgeoisie and elements of the working classes in the Western societies). The Far Right identifies target groups and communities which function as scapegoats fro the ills and contradictions of the system. Crime, unemployment, social and individual alienation and dislocation are blamed on the Jews, Gypsies, Blacks, Indians and/or immigrant communities. This is extremely useful for the whole social order and economic system. The parties of the establishment have even began adopting elements of the party programs and issues that were traditionally the preserve of the far right, eg. immigration etc. This symbiotic relation becomes apparent, when we look at the puzzling and paradoxical tolerance and forbearance of the liberal democratic state regarding the Far Right. In spite of all their very provocative propaganda and crimes, they are not suppressed, their publications enjoy freedom, they are not brought up before the legal organs and institutions. Prison terms are extremely lenient, when it comes to offenders from the Far Right. To give you an idea of what I am talking about here, check out this following site, http://lists.village.virginia.edu/~spoons/...sm/marxism.html (http://lists.village.virginia.edu/~spoons/marxism/marxism.html)

The Far Right in a very false and distorted fashion pretends to appeal to the oppressed and exploited social groups. It seems to have a social agenda . This is all pretense. However, these orgainizations and programs are not in any sense of the term revolutionary or transformational. In fact their primary enemy is the revolutionary Left (Marxist & Anarchist).

So for Marxists, the struggle against the Far Right scum is a dual and at the same time a single struggle. It is part of the struggle to destroy the worldwide Capitalist order and at the same time it is a struggle against a very vicious and dangerous product of Capitalism. I end this very long post, with soemthing I read on the walls in Lisbon, Portugal, which says,

MATA NAZI!!!. :) :)

[Abiyot]

Sorry, website in the earlier post is incorrect. This is the correct website,
http://www.searchlightmagazine.com/default.asp :o :o

[Anarchist Freedom]

i agree nazis should be wiped out and stuff they have a useless old ideal they hate everyone and there thepories are wrong really its bullshit

[CubanFox]

Has anyone here ever had a debate with a Nazi?

Most of them are utter idiots. At least you cappies have brains.

[Funky Monk]

On the contrary, i think some members of the far right are extremely intelligent. The surround themselves with the muscle who believe the ideas and act as thougthless promoters of simple slogans implanted in their minds.

The hierarchy tends to be made up of power hungry men who have a fair idea how to manipulate the disenchanted public and to present thier policies in a favourable way. They are especially good at distancing themselves from previous failures by renamng policy.

[elijahcraig]

I have tried debating nazis, but I was banned the minute I posted a joke where Hitler was dressed as a ice skater in a pink tutu. They also didn't like my Lenin avatar.

[Moskitto]

Originally posted by [email protected] 4 2003, 06:12 AM
Here's a guy who killed a nazi and is in prison. And he was defending his little brother!:

Nazi Killer (http://www.worldrevolution.org.uk/pages/campaigns/mariointro.html)
It sucks that "Self Defense" doesn't extend to helping friends and family members or even strangers who are being attacked.

I find it funny that while reading the world church of the creator forums they contacted the ISP of someone because they said they were Jewish and Hitler sucks and actually thought they'd be banned from using the internet.

[commieboy]

Man, the hate here in Michigan is pissin' me off too. And i live up here in the sticks! where these nazis play soldier preparing for the race war! My dad was offered membership because he's anglo, And the KKK! theres a bar where they meet every month! and you people call me crazy for having guns.....anything darker than them they call a "Nigger" and shoot!

[Anarchist Freedom]

omg a fellow comrade from michigan who would have though comrade i live in novi michigan!!!! what city do you live in ?

[F_Hayek]

Originally posted by [email protected] 4 2003, 01:20 PM
In terms of my sentiments, regarding Nazi, far right etc scum, I am with Comrade RAF, Disgustapated etc. "Extermination" is the only solution. As for debate, discussion, exchange of views, "democracy" and so on. I believe that the extreme right should be always regarded with caution and always "fought". Remember, your history, it was the German Nazis, Italian Fascists and their scum allies in the rest of the World, that were responsible for WW2 and the holocaust which led to the organised, genocidal externimation of Jews, Roma, Russians, Poles and others. So I think it should never be forgotten what they are capable of. And all actions, stances and positions regarding the far right should be framed with this historical memory in mind.

I am the only one who sees the contradiction? The extreme left and right aren't that far apart I see. :(

[elijahcraig]

Hayek, a big fat "DUMBASS" should be tattooed on your forehead.

[Hampton]

I don't really see it as a contradiction, some dirty nazi wants to kill me because I'm black what am I supposed to do? Accept it and hope he dosen't come after me? Nah.

[F_Hayek]

Hayek, a big fat "DUMBASS" should be tattooed on your forehead.

That's the spirit, marked for death now? Nah, the nazis are after all your comrades.


I don't really see it as a contradiction, some dirty nazi wants to kill me because I'm black what am I supposed to do? Accept it and hope he dosen't come after me? Nah.

No, violence out of self defense is permittable. I am allright when you shoot one if they come after you for trying to tie you up a tree.