Trendy Righties - opinions?

[El Brujo]

All true socialists don't care for trendy lefties, obviously. I was wondering what right-wing capitalists think about trendy righties. Do you consider normal people that jumped into the "patriotic" bandwagon and adopted anti-Arab/Islamic sentiment after 9/11 to be comrades, useful idiots or just idiots?

[joanofarch]

I consider them "enlightened." Everyonce and a while you need an apple to drop from the sky to make you realize the obvious.

[El Brujo]

So you consider them "enlightened" for believing what they believe because the media and society tell them to and reacting to emotions instead of doing research and learning about rightism/caplitalism?

[joanofarch]

Yes. If it is in their self-interest to pursue it further they are at liberty to do so.

(Edited by joanofarch at 8:48 am on July 26, 2003)

[CubanFox]

Quote: from joanofarch on 8:17 am on July 26, 2003
I consider them "enlightened." Everyonce and a while you need an apple to drop from the sky to make you realize the obvious.


Right, it's obvious that Arabs and Muslims are "evil". http://www.nationstates.net/forum/images/smiles/icon_rolleyes.gif

[joanofarch]

Charles manson was evil. Arabs and Muslims are worse.

[elijahcraig]

If you are serious, you are a complete moron joanofarc.

[El Brujo]

Yes. If it is in their self-interest to pursue it further they are at liberty to do so.

You believe they have the "liberty" to do so (apparently you are an objectivist), but how do you consider them "enlightened"? There is a difference between allowing people to think the way they do and respecting them for thinking that way.

[CubanFox]

Quote: from elijahcraig on 9:14 am on July 26, 2003
If you are serious, you are a complete moron joanofarc.


I agree.

[Totalitarian]

Quote: from joanofarch on 9:05 am on July 26, 2003
Charles manson was evil. Arabs and Muslims are worse.



What about Jews?

[Ghost Writer]

I hate stupid people no matter what side of the political spectrum they are on. However, it seems that the only ideology that ascribes their thinking to be fashionable is the left-wing, especially the petty bourgeoisie, otherwise known as liberals.

I think this has something to do with MTV, which uses its platform to promote what it considers to be a form of social consciousness. One must be sure that this is a contradiction, considering that medium has perfected the ultimate synergy between product and commercial. Somewhere along the line, marketing geniuses made the two virtually indistinguishable, yet employed a position that convinced many people that rampant commercialism and shallow measures of worth could exist in conjunction with the liberal politics they were pushing. Perhaps this was to alleviate the guilt felt by those who considered themselves to be socially conscious, so they could bring them into the viewing demographic, and make it okay for them to indulge in grand-falooneries like "We are the World", "Hands Across America", and "Rock the Vote".

I think the band that best represents this contradiction is U2. Bono is a multi-millionaire that tries to use his pop-culture status to dictate foriegn policy, with respect to foreign aid, while he himself lives in a mansion. To these demented fucks, I must say, "put your money were your mouth is, and don't try to steal my tax dollars when you yourself do not pay taxes in America." If they want to send American troops to help with a humanitarian crisis, I say, "Fuck you, why don,t you go over there and pick up a gun and lead a brigade of your own."

No, I don't really notice trendy conservatism like I have noticed trendy liberalism. In fact, many people try to equate conservatives with their grandparents generation. Besides there has never been the kind of media machine to present this attitude. The media has always been predominantly liberal. Hence, the rise of talk-radio and Fox News. Grant it, things do appear to be changing. If the conservative movement ever becomes as shallow as their conterparts on the left, I would be highly surprised, since conservatives have existed in an era where liberalism was the trend, in direct opposition to prevailing attitudes. In short, conservatives have never cared about popular perception, as they exist for more important, less shallow considerations than the fake liberalism promoted by MTV.

(Edited by Ghost Writer at 1:01 pm on July 26, 2003)

[Ghost Writer]

Nothing further on this?

[Urban Rubble]

Well, I'm going to have to agree with Ghost Writer on this one. I fucking hate trendy liberals, I hate MTV and I hate kids who have no ther reason for being against the American government that that it's "cool".

However, there are also ALOT of people these days flying the American flag off of every surface they can find simply because these days it's "cool" to show off your patriotism. I think that's alot more dangerous because it turns people into Nationalist morons who can't understand why the rest of the world hates us.

[Ex Nihilo]

Tolerance.org (http://tolerance.org)

Fight for your Rights (http://www.mtv.com/onair/ffyr/discrimination/) (MTV)

Liberal filth.

(Edited by Ex Nihilo at 10:05 pm on July 26, 2003)

[dopediana]

ghost writer, i'm amazed to say that i agree with you on the bono issue. i have no problem with celebrities stating their views, but it's a complete contradiction to claim to fight for human rights when you have a huge house and some people live in trashbag tents. it's also pretty pathetic when someone's opinion hinges on that of madonna's or wallace shaw's (though they both are awesome). however, it's equally stupid when right wingers hinge their opinions on bruce willis' or arnold schwarzenegger's.

and you know what i saw today? some guy courageously to counteract the surge of patriotism by posting flags on cars put an american flag UPSIDEDOWN on his little honda crx. my heart leapt with joy. i sort of jumped out of the car at the red light, told him to rock on, and then jumped back in.

[Ghost Writer]

However, there are also ALOT of people these days flying the American flag off of every surface they can find simply because these days it's "cool" to show off your patriotism. I think that's alot more dangerous because it turns people into Nationalist morons who can't understand why the rest of the world hates us.

For the longest time, it was considered unfashionable to show any form of patriotism. Once a big event changed the political landscape, people realized that they did, in fact, appreciate their country. There is nothing wrong with national pride, or nationalism. I know that some want to equate any form of nationalism to nazism, but this is wrong-headed.

However, I do hate those who wave the flag, yet have no understanding of what makes America great, or any of the documents fundamental to its success. Just as consumerism is a contradiction of the liberal politics preached by MTV. Liberalism contradicts the principles that form the ideological base for our nation. Again it seems to be the liberals who engage in the grand-faloonery here, by waving the flag when they desire to change our system to that of a more socialist one. They are the ones waving the flag while destroying the institutions that have made this country great.