the death of saddams sons - is bullshit

[Organic Revolution]

for one uday is bald in the picture with a big fucking beard but there was a vdeo just 2 months before where he hada smal beard and hair. and qusai looks totally different. he was a big beard but a photo with him shows him with only a small mustache. conclusion.... there not dead. they are using the photos for propaganada. they plaster them on your tv set to make you believe there dead there not. the us does not care about them. they care about oil.Take a close look at those photo's. First look at Qdai, the facial structure doesn't match. Even with the shaved head and thick beard, you can still tell it is not him! But Much more convincing is Qusai's photo, LOOK AT THE BAD TEETH! Look at the photo of him alive and notice the picture PERFECT smile! Look at the gap in his front teeth in the dead photo and how there is no gap in the live photo. Both sons had over a billion dollars in their pocket before the US dropped the first bombs, why would they stay in Iraq? They would NOT! They are military smart and know that staying together would be stupid!


(Edited by rise up at 11:23 am on July 25, 2003)


(Edited by rise up at 11:25 am on July 25, 2003)

[American Kid]

I'm sorry but I just don't buy the conspiracy theory. I could grow a beard that big in about 8 hours.

And anyone who thinks I'm some kind of "nationalist" because I refuse to subsribe to wantonly paranoid theories like this is just looking for something to be mad about.

Your welcome.

-ak

[Urban Rubble]

I agree with AK.

I wish people would drop this shit, it's been like a day and I'm already sick of it. Can't we just celebrate the deaths of two vicious phsycos ?

[American Kid]

Here, here.

-ak

[Vinny Rafarino]

Everything's a consiracy. AK and comrade Rubble are right. This is way to big to bullshit the public about. Remember, re-election bids are right around the corner. If it was one week before the elections I would entertain a theory that the deaths of these two maggots are propaganda used to gain GOP votes but there is way to much time for this story to be debunked. Leving the GOP with yet another scandal regarding the USA's lies in Iraq this close to the Elections would be devastating to the GOP's platform.

It does not make logical sense for this story to be a fabrication. Why is it that people think polititians are stupid? There are some of the smartest lot on the planet. They duped several country's populations into supporting the occupation of Iraq, and guess what kids....That was child's play to these blokes.

[Ymir]

I thought Oudai's facial structure looked different, but it might have just been the fighting. His nose looked seriously different though, and not just mutilated, it was wider and had a thinner top.

[Organic Revolution]

he looked alot fatter

[Urban Rubble]

I imagine a few months on the run while the nations largest superpower has $30 million on your head may cause some weight fluctuations and other minor cosmetic changes. It would be the same as a crank junkie doing that shit for a few months. They've probably been on little sleep, moving around all the time, really fucking nervous.

Anyway, I'll believe it till I hear evidence otherwise. As for tonight I will drink to the 2 dead fascists and the second good thing I've heard out of this war.

[Sensitive]

It doesn't matter if they're dead or not. The Iraqi freedom fighters aren't fighting for Saddam or his kids. They just don't want to become a fucking American colony.

And AK, if you aren't a nationalist, then why would you want to call yourself an "American" kid? You must love America, thus making you a nationalist. And btw it is spelled "AmeriKKKa" not "America"...

[Zombie]

they're as dead as Saddam and Ossama are/were.

[Rastafari]

I am 50/50 on this. I have seen the photos and want to believe they are dead, but then again, they have no poewr and are just symbolic anyway, so it would be an easy claim for the US, as opposed to Osama and Saddam, who can actually do shit to us

[Vinny Rafarino]

Has anyone seen photos of the bodies.


Exactly.


The men are indeed dead. Good riddance

Fuck them.

[American Kid]

And AK, if you aren't a nationalist, then why would you want to call yourself an "American" kid? You must love America, thus making you a nationalist. And btw it is spelled "AmeriKKKa" not "America"...

Sensitive, you must love it when your television gets bad reception.

Well your avatar blinks in and out with just a terrible reception. I mean, one second I'm gazing in a rapture at the hammer and sickle, and then suddenly -poof!- it's gone.

Then it comes back-----

Then it's gone.

You're sick.

How could you watch television like that?
-American Kid

[American Kid]

look at Qdai, the facial structure doesn't match. Even with the shaved head and thick beard, you can still tell it is not him!

Dude, the funny look on his face may have something to do with the fact that he put a fucking gun in his mouth and blew his brains out the back of his fucking head.

I will admit to not having a medical degree, but think about it.

-ak

[Sensitive]

Quote: from American Kid on 12:49 am on July 25, 2003


Sensitive, you must love it when your television gets bad reception.

Well your avatar blinks in and out with just a terrible reception. I mean, one second I'm gazing in a rapture at the hammer and sickle, and then suddenly -poof!- it's gone.

Then it comes back-----

Then it's gone.

You're sick.

How could you watch television like that?
-American Kid
You're drunk.

[American Kid]

You're drunk.

I expected so much more from you.

-American Kid

[Sensitive]

Quote: from American Kid on 1:32 am on July 25, 2003
You're drunk.

I expected so much more from you.

-American KidClever.

[American Kid]

Thanks a lot. I appreciate it. Actually, the-



!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!




.....wait a second you were being sarcastic...

foiled again,
-American Kid

[Sensitive]

Quote: from American Kid on 1:44 am on July 25, 2003
Thanks a lot. I appreciate it. Actually, the-



!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!




.....wait a second you were being sarcastic...

foiled again,
-American KidLOL, you capitalists are gullible.

[American Kid]

Weird.

I'm trying to figure this out.

You're obviously out to antagonize me. You're obviously aiming, consistently, to get "rises" out of me. But basically (and this, in it's concrete certainty, is a glaringly decisive fact you're going to have to bear down and come to grips with) you're never going to get one out of me.

Yet it puzzles me nonetheless.

Unless your profoundly stupid, it should have been made conclusively clear to you by now, based on my own denials and the testimonies of people here who have been around a lot longer than you have and know more about me than you ever will, that I am not a capitalist, certainly not a right-winger, and defintely not a racist/homophobe as you've accused me of being.

Not in the least. And you've woefully failed at any sort of attempt to back any of this up with proof (links maybe?; I don't know, how do you "prove" something like this?; I wouldn't want to be in your shoes).

Operative here is "wanton." People at this site in the past who've had "problems" with me have at least made some sort of agenda clear, no matter how vague or misguided, to back up/validate their hostility towards me. Some of it (most of it) had to do with my ideaologies which presented themselves during my early days of my membership at this site, which would be characterized, primarily, as uneducated and the product mostly of ignorance.

You and me had a relatively entertaining and enlightening conversation some time back about the significance the United States' lend-lease policies had in aiding the Soviet Union during the early days of WW2. I said they made a difference; you said they didn't. We went back and forth and it was cordial and competitive and I don't know about you- but I had a good time.

Now you hate me. And you're like, delusional about it. Seriously. When are you gonna get it through your thick skull we're, basically, pretty much on the same fuckin' team?

When are you gonna get off my back?

When are you gonna shut the fuck up?

When are you gonna grow up and smell the fuckin' logic?

So pat yourself on the back; you've gotten at least with this rant a "quasi-rise" out of me; to paraphrase Christopher Walken, it ain't ever gonna get this good again.

-ak

[Sensitive]

Poor AK, maybe you should stop Private Messaging me shit and then I'll stop returning fire.

[American Kid]

Here's a cut and pasted display of everything I've sent you since the current intifadah and we'll let the public decide who's fucking crazy here:

JULY 19TH, 2003 (from me to you):

Message title:You're way out of line
You're making quite a fool out of yourself in front of the entire forum with your spiteful, unsubstantiated claims- not to mention your attempted (and consequently failed) attempts to "defame" my "character."

I consider myself a pretty good judge of character, but I cannot figure out where this campaign against me (or we can just call it what it is: wanton character assasination) is coming from. From what I remember from that World War 2 thread where we "debated", we sent each other a few PM's to clear the air and things, I thought at least, ended on a relatively amicable note. Why you're dredging up the past and attempting to "illuminate" members here to the so-called "right-wing cappie" in their midst is, simply, beyond me.

You're chasing your own tail.

-AK

(if I could, I would sign this PM for you. I mean, I am, after all, Che-lives.com's biggest celebrity)

Then you responded with this bit of brilliance:

JULY 19TH, 2003:

Message title: Screw you
Stupid homophobic capitalist.


Sensitive

I responded with this:

JULY 24TH, 2003

Message title:Negative
You've got me all wrong.

Pity.

-"that guy"

You went with this bullshit:

JULY 24, 2003

Message title: RE:
No I don't.


Sensitive.

To which I didn't respond.

So, in reference to this latest statement you've made in the post above:

Poor AK, maybe you should stop Private Messaging me shit and then I'll stop returning fire

What the fuck are you talking about?

-ak

[Sensitive]

LOL, AK, you were trying to piss me off by sending PMs (and you did leave out parts of them, conveniently) and I did return fire. However, I'm not going to post everything you sent me, as posting PMs is generally against the rules on most forums.


And actually AK, my first post in the other thread was just a joke (when I told you to go to the Ayn Rand forum, lol). I thought you might appreciate that kind of sarcastic humor. However, your fanclub got very defensive, so I had to get angry with them (and indirectly, at you).

But yes, you are a (liberal) capitalist, and I do not like you because of it. But I don't hate you either. That would be wasting far too much energy on just one liberal capitalist.

[American Kid]

Now I'm convinced you truly are fucking delusional.

I didn't leave anything out. To prove it I'd let any administrator, moderator, whoever, take a look into my outbox and read it line for line.

Seriously. If you're sincere and not just some pathetic low-life weirdo who has nothing better to do than sit at some computer and pretend to be something he's not on the internet, then I just seriously feel fucking sorry for you.

I feel sorry for you either way.

I-did-not-leave-anything-out.

If I did, feel free to "correct" me with some cut and pasting of your own.

Weirdo.

-ak

[Sensitive]

The intent of sending me private messages was quite obvious, you were trying to piss me off. I returned fire as anyone else would.

[American Kid]

I'm breaking my own stringent code of ethics here by doing this, but you leave me with no other choice:

Sensitive you are the biggest fucking moron I have ever dealt with as long as I have lived.

And I've fed food to one-eyed llamas at petting zoos.

At least they had the sense to acknowledge what was right in front of their face.

My proof is the preceding pages of this thread.

I rest my case.

-ak

[Sensitive]

Quote: from American Kid on 3:16 am on July 25, 2003
I'm breaking my own stringent code of ethics here by doing this, but you leave me with no other choice:

Sensitive you are the biggest fucking moron I have ever dealt with as long as I have lived.

And I've fed food to one-eyed llamas at petting zoos.

At least they had the sense to acknowledge what was right in front of their face.

My proof is the preceding pages of this thread.

I rest my case.

-akActually AK, you're the only one - throughout this entire thread - who has been flipping out, cussing, and name-calling. So much for your "ethics".

Your attacks against me are completely worthless. I type many lengthy posts on this forum debating various topics (usually involving the Democratic Party).

In a way, I'm almost concerned about you. You should calm down dude.

[Lefty]

Sensitive, you are a douchebag. I think AK has made it clear. You're a douche. Leave it at that before you make more of a fool of yourself.

And more on topic, I think they are dead. No, I HOPE they are dead. They hurt lots of people, and it is good that they are gone. However, I hope more people don't get hurt as a result of their being killed. In any case, Sensitive is a douche, and it would be good if Saddam's sons are dead because they are also douches, although slightly moreso.

[Sensitive]

Quote: from Lefty on 3:30 am on July 25, 2003
Sensitive, you are a douchebag. I think AK has made it clear. You're a douche. Leave it at that before you make more of a fool of yourself.

And more on topic, I think they are dead. No, I HOPE they are dead. They hurt lots of people, and it is good that they are gone. However, I hope more people don't get hurt as a result of their being killed. In any case, Sensitive is a douche, and it would be good if Saddam's sons are dead because they are also douches, although slightly moreso. LOL, I would only expect a supporter of the Democratic Party to call me that.

Edit: and furthermore, AK has made nothing clear. He made a silly accusation that I am "out to get" (trying to get a rise out of him) which is just BS. This has largely been a misunderstanding between the two of us, but since he is more popular here everyone sides with him. And, Lefty, it is pretty clear that you called me that because I think Howard Dean is another Clinton (we just finished discussing that in another thread).

However, I don't tend to call people names, even when I probably should. So I'm not going to call you anything right now.

(Edited by Sensitive at 3:42 am on July 25, 2003)

[Lefty]

Nice comeback. I support the democratic party only for purpose of election. Or would you like Bush to be elected again?

[Sensitive]

Quote: from Lefty on 3:38 am on July 25, 2003
Nice comeback. I support the democratic party only for purpose of election. Or would you like Bush to be elected again?
I don't care if Bush wins or loses. It doesn't make any difference. Clinton pulled just as much shit (if not more, because he was in office longer) as Bush.

Only the capitalist media makes a big deal about who is in office, but it really doesn't matter as long as the ruling class is still in power.

[Lefty]

See, that's a brainwashed individual talking right there. Ask any normal person in this or any country, and they will tell you: it does matter who is in office. The simple fact is: if someone better than Bush (not saying much, i know) is elected, the situation will improve. What do you suggest doing? A violent revolution? Lol, Good luck with that. I will continue to support the Green and Socialist parties of America, but I refuse to abandon all reason and become a lunatic like you while doing so.

[Lefty]

Oh, and forget Clinton already. I've admitted on numerous occasions already that he was quite the bastard. Come up with a new, if decidedly shaky, argument, or quit arguing.

[Sensitive]

Quote: from Lefty on 3:50 am on July 25, 2003
See, that's a brainwashed individual talking right there. Ask any normal person in this or any country, and they will tell you: it does matter who is in office. The simple fact is: if someone better than Bush (not saying much, i know) is elected, the situation will improve. What do you suggest doing? A violent revolution? Lol, Good luck with that. I will continue to support the Green and Socialist parties of America, but I refuse to abandon all reason and become a lunatic like you while doing so.A violent revolution would not work, because there is not support for it at this time.

I support the Socialist Party and the Greens so that the left will actually grow in this country, not be controlled and weakened the Democrats. The Democrats will not improve anything.

[Sensitive]

Quote: from Lefty on 3:52 am on July 25, 2003
Oh, and forget Clinton already. I've admitted on numerous occasions already that he was quite the bastard. Come up with a new, if decidedly shaky, argument, or quit arguing.
You have to look at what the Democratic Party has done while it has been in power. Its campaign promises are worthless.

[Lefty]

That statement is borne entirely of ignorance. Our currently horrible foreign policy will be better-fied if Dean or Kucinich is elected, for one. Also, our welfare, abortion and gun control laws will be improved from their currently rather conservative states. How's that for improvement?

And I'll state again: I support the Green Party and Socialist Parties wholeheartedly. However, I do not want to see Bush re-elected, and therefore support the democratic candidate because he will undoubtedly be better than Bush.

[Lefty]

As worthless as their campaign promises have been, the situation will at least improve somewhat, and that's better than it not improving at all. Oh, and your support alone probably won't cause the left to grow any more than my support will. Seriously, let's just calm down, lol. I'm trying to let you see my more moderate stance on the election, but apparently I'm failing. I'm going to bed, its 4 in the morning. Peace, Sensitive.

[Sensitive]

Quote: from Lefty on 4:00 am on July 25, 2003
That statement is borne entirely of ignorance. Our currently horrible foreign policy will be better-fied if Dean or Kucinich is elected, for one. Also, our welfare, abortion and gun control laws will be improved from their currently rather conservative states. How's that for improvement?

And I'll state again: I support the Green Party and Socialist Parties wholeheartedly. However, I do not want to see Bush re-elected, and therefore support the democratic candidate because he will undoubtedly be better than Bush. Dean has 100% support from the NRA. He is VERY conservative on gun laws. Dean is also neo-liberal economically (just like Clinton) so he won't help welfare any. And Dean even said he would have "given Saddam 60 days to disarm" or he would have invaded Iraq too. He won't change foreign policy (American capitalism needs imperialist expansion in order to maintain economic dominance, or else the EU and other rivals could become more powerful).

Kucinich has no chance of winning.

It really doesn't matter if Bush stays or goes.

[Sensitive]

Quote: from Lefty on 4:03 am on July 25, 2003
As worthless as their campaign promises have been, the situation will at least improve somewhat, and that's better than it not improving at all. Oh, and your support alone probably won't cause the left to grow any more than my support will. Seriously, let's just calm down, lol. I'm trying to let you see my more moderate stance on the election, but apparently I'm failing. I'm going to bed, its 4 in the morning. Peace, Sensitive.
I am calm, and it is 4 am here too, hehe.

[honest intellectual]

The Americans would not lie about their deaths because they'd be proven wrong too easily. What would happen if they showed up in public now? The US aren't going to put themselves in a position where they could be embarassed so easily. Besides, why would they lie about it?

[CubanFox]

Why would they lie? Because the purpose of Uday & Qusay's death is to prove to Iraqis that the Hussein regime is gone for good. For the US army, that's worth lying about.

(Edited by CubanFox at 10:07 pm on July 25, 2003)

[Invader Zim]

Quote: from Sensitive on 1:12 am on July 25, 2003
It doesn't matter if they're dead or not. The Iraqi freedom fighters aren't fighting for Saddam or his kids. They just don't want to become a fucking American colony.

And AK, if you aren't a nationalist, then why would you want to call yourself an "American" kid? You must love America, thus making you a nationalist. And btw it is spelled "AmeriKKKa" not "America"...


You are a fool, I didnt want to say it but the truth will "out", as they say.

Firstly the remnance of the Iraqi retalation to the USA is largly from the area where Saddam Hussain came from, those who still support him. They fight to return him to power. So tell me as you obviously support there attempts to reinstate a fascist ruler to Iraq, surley you comments to American Kid about being a homophobic racist would be better directed at your self? Considering that you show open and blatant support for the returning to power of a fascist.

They just don't want to become a fucking American colony.

I am not even going to bother ripping that to shreds, its obviously stupid.

And AK, if you aren't a nationalist, then why would you want to call yourself an "American" kid? You must love America, thus making you a nationalist. And btw it is spelled "AmeriKKKa" not "America"...

Its a screen name, its meaningless, your screen name is Sensitive yet you do not post Sensitive remarks. My screen name is AK47 yet that has no bearing on my political stance. From my own (and limited experiance of American Kid) he has no political ideology. Hense the reason he is called the apolitical New-Englander.

In conclusion SHUT UP

AK47

[Sensitive]

I would respond to your lame attack of the Iraqi people that want to free themselves from the iron grip of the American empire. But you are already on my "ignore list" AK47 for your support of British/American imperialism, so I won't waste time typing any more than this.

[Invader Zim]

Quote: from Sensitive on 11:56 pm on July 25, 2003
I would respond to your lame attack of the Iraqi people that want to free themselves from the iron grip of the American empire. But you are already on my "ignore list" AK47 for your support of British/American imperialism, so I won't waste time typing any more than this.

Or to be more accurate because you cannot respond because you are wrong and obviously so. Your cheap responce of ignoring me because of a well founded political opinion wont wash. This is a political message board it is designed to discuss political opinions so it is foolish to place a person on an "ignore list" for support of a political opinion on such a message board. You are even more foolish than I had previously thought it seams.

[Sensitive]

Sensitive says he will waste no more time replying to lame, pro-US imperialists like AK47 (on June 5, 2003). (http://www.che-lives.com/cgi/community/topic.pl?forum=22&topic=1893&start=280)

[Invader Zim]

Quote: from Sensitive on 12:11 am on July 26, 2003
Sensitive says he will waste no more time replying to lame, pro-US imperialists like AK47 (on June 5, 2003). (http://www.che-lives.com/cgi/community/topic.pl?forum=22&topic=1893&start=280)

1) I am not pro US.
2) I am not an imperialist.
3) You are the only capitalist in this thread, if only a state capitalist.
4) That post you made makes you look dumb, you posted some foolish figures and when asked to show a source failed to do so. Also as you openly declared support Saddam Hussain and his fascist thugs I stand by my judgement that you are a fascist.


quote from AK47: -

Go and hero worship Saddam you goose stepping fool, if you really want, but no-one will take you seriously.


Also I am still waiting for you to back up your figures. Which you cant because you made them up and blatantly did.

[Mr MOAB]

Is there no end to this mans stupidity? While initially reading this thread made me want to quickly come to American Kids defense, I quickly realized that he already made you look stupid. What puzzles me in all this is how you managed to rope The American Kid into a battle of wits. He's clearly smarter than you could ever aspire to be. Interesting indeed. Anyway. I think it's abundantly clear that The "Sons of Saddam" are burning in hades. The reprecussions of a conspiracy of that magnitude at this time would be disastrous politicly. Love em or hate em, the administration knows this and would not be that stupid. And sensitive, DON'T WORRY. Although my screen name is MR. MOAB, I won't blow up your house.

[Urban Rubble]

Good God people.

AK, good post, it made me laugh.

Sensitive, shut the hell up.

As someone else said, how stupid would we look if Uday rolled out in his wheelchair with a cigar in his mouth. I doubt the U.S would take that chance.

[Invader Zim]

Quote: from Urban Rubble on 2:52 am on July 26, 2003
Good God people.

AK, good post, it made me laugh.

Sensitive, shut the hell up.

As someone else said, how stupid would we look if Uday rolled out in his wheelchair with a cigar in his mouth. I doubt the U.S would take that chance.

AK, good post, it made me laugh.

Why thank you UR.

As someone else said, how stupid would we look if Uday rolled out in his wheelchair with a cigar in his mouth. I doubt the U.S would take that chance

It would be very funny though... but then he would start killing the civillians... not funny.

[Urban Rubble]

Sorry AK, I was talking about American Kid. It was way back, but it was funny.

[American Kid]

There's actually been times when someone was having a hissy fit over something AK 47 has said and I thought they were talking about me and was really confused and flipping through the rolodex in my brain, trying to remember who I'd pissed off lately...

I want to retract something I said before in regards to Sensitive trying to "get a rise out of me." I might have overreacted there and misinterperted what he wrote and blown it out of proportion.

Or maybe I didn't and he's fucking crazy.

Bottom line is, Sensitive is someone I'll continue to deal with on the best possible terms whenever...possible. I re-assesed the situation and he's probably not the troll I made him out to be.

But yeah, there it is.

Mr. MOAB sorry I didn't call you tonight. My ankle's absolutely destroyed. You'll probably be online later, we'll rap.

-ak

(Uday and Qusay are fucking dead as dead)

[Lefty]

Shut up, you filthy liberal.

[Invader Zim]

Quote: from Urban Rubble on 3:55 am on July 26, 2003
Sorry AK, I was talking about American Kid. It was way back, but it was funny.


HAHAHA LOL sorry man.

[peaccenicked]

Robert Fisk {applause}

[Liberty Lover]

Objective journalism {applause}

[Liberty Lover]

It doesn't feel me with delight, I don't think they "deserved" to die for their cruel actions. Sure, they were a pair of assholes (I presume), but I don't think anyone has the right to take anyone else's life. Two wrongs don't make a right.

I think it likely that the families of Uday and Qusay’s victims would disagree with this to considerable extents.

[Zombie]

I would just like to ask all those who say they are dead, do you have physical proof? Apart from hearing it on CNN or reading it in Time magazine, do you know for sure they are what they are? Nop. All you can do is speculate.
Sometimes you people scare me. You go off pretentiously saying Fox News and co are nothing but corporate medias serving the interests of capitalists enterprises, then when you hear headlines this good, you furiously clap your hands and say "good ridance"!

I'm confused because when the Us invasion of Iraq took place, most of you (leftists) were against such actions, even if it dealt with the removal of Saddam.

Now you're cheering Bush's latest spectacle.

Strange, to say the least.

.Z.

[Invader Zim]

Quote: from Zombie on 12:47 am on July 29, 2003
I would just like to ask all those who say they are dead, do you have physical proof? Apart from hearing it on CNN or reading it in Time magazine, do you know for sure they are what they are? Nop. All you can do is speculate.
Sometimes you people scare me. You go off pretentiously saying Fox News and co are nothing but corporate medias serving the interests of capitalists enterprises, then when you hear headlines this good, you furiously clap your hands and say "good ridance"!

I'm confused because when the Us invasion of Iraq took place, most of you (leftists) were against such actions, even if it dealt with the removal of Saddam.

Now you're cheering Bush's latest spectacle.

Strange, to say the least.

.Z.

What you mean other than the photographic evidance?

Apart from photographic evidance I have seen I also have no physical proof that the earth is flat, yet I choose to believe the authorties on that.

[Zombie]

The eyes can be deceiving AK47.
An image produced by American national agencies can deceive them even more.

That Earth example was a bit weird.
You are trying to say that centuries of studies and experiments by renouned international Travellers, Geographists, Topologists and other scientists are nothing but bull.

I'm talking of a pic taken by the AP & co.

[Urban Rubble]

Zombie, the reason I was against the war but aplaud the deaths of these two is simple, they were evil, so are we.

I fully, %100 support taking Saddam out of power, but the methods we chose to do so were illegal and immoral. I wish we just would have said "We don't like Saddam, he's sick, we want to kill him" rather than all the bullshit we spouted. I think this war was horrible, but as I said, this has been one of the positive things to come out of it. Do you wish these two were still alive ? What about Saddam ? Are you so biased that you can't see that this piece of shit deserves to die ?

I said this before, I don't care if Hitler and the rest of the Nazi's took over Iraq, I would still applaud if they killed Saddam. I'd be pissed that they took over Iraq, but I would still be enjoy Saddam being dead.

[Invader Zim]

Quote: from Urban Rubble on 2:13 am on July 29, 2003
Zombie, the reason I was against the war but aplaud the deaths of these two is simple, they were evil, so are we.

I fully, %100 support taking Saddam out of power, but the methods we chose to do so were illegal and immoral. I wish we just would have said "We don't like Saddam, he's sick, we want to kill him" rather than all the bullshit we spouted. I think this war was horrible, but as I said, this has been one of the positive things to come out of it. Do you wish these two were still alive ? What about Saddam ? Are you so biased that you can't see that this piece of shit deserves to die ?

I said this before, I don't care if Hitler and the rest of the Nazi's took over Iraq, I would still applaud if they killed Saddam. I'd be pissed that they took over Iraq, but I would still be enjoy Saddam being dead.

I agree with most of that.

However what irritates me is that what else do you suggest, invasion or saddam. I choose invasion, however some people come up with absolute bull. They say a revolution would be better... what shit is that. What would you rather happen, a strategic removal from power of Saddam by a powerful nation causing as few civillian casualtys as possible, or a civil war from an under equipt force. History has repeatedly shown such civil wars are extreamly bloody in terms of civillian and military lives.

[American Kid]

AK 47 I think hit it right on the head here actually, Zombie, mate.

Supporting the USA killing Uday and Qusay does not entail supporting how the USA killed Iraqi civillians. They're not the same.

The AP and Co don't work for the USA gov anymore than Reuters or, for that matter, Foxnews do (though Foxnews I'm sure gets one hell of a gift basket come Christmas time).

There's been substantial eye-witness acounts not just from USA sources but from Iraqi neighbors who were literally ringside and saw the whole thing.

I don't understand how the Bush administration could benefit from this, politically; there hasn't been a single jingoistic attempt through the press or any other means to rally the country into some psuedo-post-9/11-style of solidarity and celebration. Hardly anyone cares, really, it seems.

And even if they did try to turn it into re-election fodder (like they are the image of Bush arriving on that aircraft carrier in a fighter jet wearing a fucking flight-suit, after the war was over) it wouldn't matter anyway because according to the latest polls the American public is finally starting to show signs of losing their patience over the absence of so-called "WMD's" and come next November he, along with the rest of his cabinet, are going to find themselves unceremoniously inducted into the fraternal order of the unemployed.

God-willing.

-ak

[Urban Rubble]

Oh God, here I am, in agreement with the 2 Ak's, everyone is going to attack me as a liberal =) Just kidding, although Ak-47, I'm still pissed at you for *****ing at me. You owe me a pack of Starburst. Oh well, on to the topic.

You what I wish ? I wish, for once fucking time, the United States would sacrifice some of their soldiers for some fucking civlians. Now don't jump on me saying that's what they are doing. What I mean is this, instead of cluster bombing a entire neighborhood (which by the way, we said we wouldn't do) send some soldiers in there and extract the few fuckheads that you are looking for.

The U.S could have gone about this in a totally different way. Still, no one would have wanted it to happen, but if they are going to do it, they should show some fucking restraint. I hate how it's O.K to spray and entire crowd of protestors because 3 U.S soldiers thought that someone with a pistol was shooting at them. People like that shuld be looked at as war criminals, not an innocent soldier who made a mistake.

I'll reply with more later, I just got home from work and immediatlely I get on here. I really need to get a life. I'm going skateboarding and then to the lake. Later guys.

[Invader Zim]

Quote: from Urban Rubble on 2:58 am on July 29, 2003
Oh God, here I am, in agreement with the 2 Ak's, everyone is going to attack me as a liberal =) Just kidding, although Ak-47, I'm still pissed at you for *****ing at me. You owe me a pack of Starburst. Oh well, on to the topic.

You what I wish ? I wish, for once fucking time, the United States would sacrifice some of their soldiers for some fucking civlians. Now don't jump on me saying that's what they are doing. What I mean is this, instead of cluster bombing a entire neighborhood (which by the way, we said we wouldn't do) send some soldiers in there and extract the few fuckheads that you are looking for.

The U.S could have gone about this in a totally different way. Still, no one would have wanted it to happen, but if they are going to do it, they should show some fucking restraint. I hate how it's O.K to spray and entire crowd of protestors because 3 U.S soldiers thought that someone with a pistol was shooting at them. People like that shuld be looked at as war criminals, not an innocent soldier who made a mistake.

I'll reply with more later, I just got home from work and immediatlely I get on here. I really need to get a life. I'm going skateboarding and then to the lake. Later guys.



Oh God, here I am, in agreement with the 2 Ak's, everyone is going to attack me as a liberal =) Just kidding, although Ak-47, I'm still pissed at you for *****ing at me. You owe me a pack of Starburst. Oh well, on to the topic.

I am sorry, it was the spelling comment, the whole thing just pisses me off. But I can forgive you...

[American Kid]

Nice work, dude.

I'm always thrilled to hear it when other people have lives outside of Che-lives, too.

Seriously.
-ak

[canikickit]

I don't care about Saddam's sons deaths. It definitely doesn't make me happy. Why would it?

Saddam's regime had crumbled, U Day and WhatchamaSay weren't going to come back and take over, all they were going to do was keep running until they were caught, so why be happy?

It doesn't feel me with delight, I don't think they "deserved" to die for their cruel actions. Sure, they were a pair of assholes (I presume), but I don't think anyone has the right to take anyone else's life. Two wrongs don't make a right.

I also think it's ridiculous that they were killed. They should have been taken alive, or there should at least have been an attempt to take them alive. I read an interesting article by Robert Fisk, and apparently there was little effort on that front.

"U Day and John-Ay killed by valient US liberators" reads a lot better than "U Day and John-Ay to spend the next five months in a decent cell as they await their trial.

I don't like it.

[Zombie]

I don't think anyone cares, like Cani said.
Uday and Qusay didn't actually do anything wrong to the general American public, or any other foreign people for that matter.
Why should it matter to anyone if they died?
Had Bush said it was Osama who died, or that the two brothers masterminded the 9-11 attacks, THEN it would have had some sort of an effect. Revenge is sweet, isn't it?
Bizzarly enough, they chose to go for the infants, leaving the primary target, Saddam, still at large.


I said this before, I don't care if Hitler and the rest of the Nazi's took over Iraq, I would still applaud if they killed Saddam.

See I would disagree with that. Is replacing a ruthless dictator by another rationnal according to you? Who's biased here? Me? I wanted to see Saddam out as much as any of you do (even the right-wingers among us), but not at the expense of having another dictator (in this case, corporate America) take its place.

What have you [we] achieved this way?
Nada.

But hey, as long as those Hussein kids died, it's all good right?

[Urban Rubble]

"Uday and Qusay didn't actually do anything wrong to the general American public, or any other foreign people for that matter. "

Well, technicaly Hitler didn't do anything to us either.

"Had Bush said it was Osama who died, or that the two brothers masterminded the 9-11 attacks, THEN it would have had some sort of an effect. Revenge is sweet, isn't it? "

Yes, it is. I don't care that they didn't attack us, they tortured and murdered ALOT of people, that, in my mind, justifies it.

"What have you [we] achieved this way? "

No, I already said that. I wish it could have gone down differently.

"But hey, as long as those Hussein kids died, it's all good right?"

I never said it was ALL good, in fact, I said that none of it was good. What I did say is that I can take solace in the fact that they are dead.