'I Remember the Nazis' - an oldie but goody - A letter to th

[Ghost Writer]

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I generally don't post the work of others, but this is a work of art that all people should witness. Good art is so hard to find these days. Please enjoy.
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(Dear Hillary)

During the past several months in the American press, the Democrats have frequently denounced the Republicans as Nazis due to their attempts to control runaway federal spending. How very ironic. I remember the Nazis. Let me share a little about them and recall some of their exploits.

First of all, "Nazi" was gutter slang for the verb "to nationalize". The Bider-Mienhoff gang gave themselves this moniker during their early struggles. The official title of the Nazi Party was "The National Socialist Workers Party of Germany". Hitler and the Brownshirts advocated the nationalization of education, health care, transportation, national resources, manufacturing, distribution and law enforcement.

Hitler came to power by turning the working class, unemployed, and academic elite against the conservative republic. After der fuhrer's election ceased being a political conspiracy and was transformed into a fashionable social phenomenon, pary membership was especially popular with educators, bureaucrats, and the press. Being a Nazi was politically correct. They called themselves "The Children of the New Age of World Order" and looked down their noses at everyone else. As Hitler accrued more power, he referred to his critics as "The Dark Forces of Anarchy and Hatred". Anyone who questioned Nazi high-handedness in the German press was branded a "Conservative Reactionary". Joseph Goebbels, minister of communications, proclaimed a "New World Order".

The Nazi reign of terror began with false news reports on the Jews, Bohemians and Gypses who were said to be arming themselves to overthrow the "New World Order" and Hitler demanded that all good people register their guns so that they wouldn't fall into the hands of "terrorists and madmen". Right wing fanatics of the "Old Order" who protested firearms registration were arrested by the S.S. and put in jail for "fomenting hatred against the Government of the German people".

Then the Reichstag (government building) was blown up and Hitler ram-rodded an "Emergency Anti-Terrorist Act" through Parliament that gave the Gestapo extraordinary powers. The leader then declared that for the well-being of the German people, all private firearms were to be confiscated by the Gestapo and the Wermotten (federal law enforcement and military). German citizens who refused to surrender their guns when the "jack-boots" (Gestapo) came calling, were murdered in their homes. By the way, the Gestapo were the federal marshals' service of the Third Reich. The S.W.A.T. team was invented and perfected by the Gestapo to break into the homes of the enemies of the German people.

When the Policia Bewakken, or local police, refused to take away guns from townsfolk, they themselves were disarmed and dragged out into the street and shot to death by the S.A. and the S.S. Those were Nazi versions of the B.A.T.F. and the F.B.I. When several local ministers spoke out against these atrocities, they were imprisoned and never seen again.

The Gestapo began to confiscate and seize the homes, businesses, bank accounts, and personal belongings of wealthy conservative citizes who had prospered in the old Republic. Pamphleteers who urged revolt against the Nazis were shot on site by national law enforcement and the military. Gypsies and Jews were detained and sent to labor camps. Mountain roads throughout central Europe were closed to prevent the escape of fugitives into the wilderness, and to prevent the movement and concealment of partisan resistance fighters.

Public schools rewrote history and Hitler youth groups taught the children to report their parents to their teachers for anti-Nazi remarks. Such parents disappeared. Pagan animism became the state religion of the Third Reich and Christians were widely condemned as "right wing fanatics".

Millions of books were burned first and then people. Millions of them burned in huge ovens after they were first gassed to death. Unmarried women were paid large sums of money to have babies out of wedlock and then given medals for it. Evil was declared as being good, and good was condemned as being evil. World Order was coming and the German people were going to be the "peacekeepers".

Yes, indeed(Hillary), I remember the Nazis and they weren't Republicans, or "right wing", or "patriots" or "militias". They were Socialist monsters.

Thomas Colton Ruthford

[joanofarch]

"We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions." Hitler (In a speech on May 1, 1927.)

[joanofarch]

By Zeus! Why won’t this thread ascend to the top upon reply? All part of a demonic Turkish conspiracy, no doubt.

[Ghost Writer]

Nice to meet you, Joanofarch. I think you and I will get along just fine.

[Exploited Class]

Quote: from joanofarch on 8:38 am on July 24, 2003
"We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions." Hitler (In a speech on May 1, 1927.)

I'm glad you posted that, I think that is a great quote by Hitler. I am not going to look it up to validate it's authenticity because I neither have the time nor the desire right now. But it is great! And I will tell you why.

Capitalism as you have heard from many leftists/communist/socialist on this board is viewed as an abhorant evil economic system. This is true, it is and it is the basis of a lot of what is wrong today. So why wouldn't Hitler say to people, "Capitalism is bad" to get people to go to his side? Why not market the truth of capitalism to gain popularity? Why not sell Socialism, it is a great system, the best to come out so far? Hell yes say you are for it, tote your love for a system that is far superior to others. He used it to gain power and popularity because it is a great system and that is what the people wanted and it isn't hard to denounce capitalism for what it is.

He didn't stick with or introduce a socialist system, why? Because it wouldn't have benefited him to do so, and any type he did try to introduce was a very far cry from what Marx or Engles had written and theorized about. So he wasn't a socialist, he just used a great system as his bandstand popularity achieving marketing scheme.

You can call yourself whatever you want, but if you don't follow through with it, then you are a liar.

If I know that I want to get in well with vegans, it might be a good idea to call myself a vegetarian. Alas, if I am eating a steak, I am a liar.

It is what Bush did in 2000, he called himself a "Compassionate Conservative" on many occasions. Why? Because that is what people want, they want compassion, so he called himself that, but just because he calls himself that doesn't make him so.

Texas had the highest number of executions, not compassionate. Bush as govenor had the lowest number, not rate mind you, but number of stays of executions.

So you can call yourself whatever you want to get popular with a popular idea.

[joanofarch]

Likewise...

[joanofarch]

Quote: from exploitedclass on 9:02 am on July 24, 2003

Quote: from joanofarch on 8:38 am on July 24, 2003
"We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions." Hitler (In a speech on May 1, 1927.)



He didn't stick with or introduce a socialist system, why? Because it wouldn't have benefited him to do so, and any type he did try to introduce was a very far cry from what Marx or Engles had written and theorized about. So he wasn't a socialist, he just used a great system as his bandstand popularity achieving marketing scheme.

You can call yourself whatever you want, but if you don't follow through with it, then you are a liar.

So you can call yourself whatever you want to get popular with a popular idea.


Perhaps you failed to read Ghost Writer’s initial post. Hitler clearly adhered to the tenets of socialism. You are a spineless defender of nazism, how popular does that make you?

[Sensitive]

Hitler had very, very, very strong support from German big business, because Hitler promised them that he would prevent the Communists from taking power. The same was true with the fascists in Italy (the good old "corporate" state).

[Ghost Writer]

Hitler had very, very, very strong support from German big business, because Hitler promised them that he would prevent the Communists from taking power. The same was true with the fascists in Italy (the good old "corporate" state).

Hitler was named "Man of the Year" in 1938 by Time Magazine. They discussed Hitler's rabid anti-capitalistism:

"Most cruel joke of all, however, has been played by Hitler & Co. on those German capitalists and small businessmen who once backed National Socialism as a means of saving Germany's bourgeois economic structure from radicalism. The Nazi credo that the individual belongs to the state also applies to business. Some businesses have been confiscated outright, on other what amounts to a capital tax has been levied. Profits have been strictly controlled. Some idea of the increasing Governmental control and interference in business could be deduced from the fact that 80% of all building and 50% of all industrial orders in Germany originated last year with the Government. Hard-pressed for food- stuffs as well as funds, the Nazi regime has taken over large estates and in many instances collectivized agriculture, a procedure fundamentally similar to Russian Communism."

(Source: Time Magazine; Jaunuary 2, 1939.)

Learn your history, pal.

[Ghost Writer]

Furthermore, Hitler setup the National Labour Front under the National Labour Law on January 20, 1934. Under this law the Nazi government had direct control of all businesses, the employees and employers, with over twenty people on staff. Kind of reminds you of some of the bureaucracies set up by democrats, the EEOC, and OSHA come to mind immediately. This fact is hardly consistent with your view that the National Socialist Workers Party of Germany was somehow pro-business. I beg you to find one business person alive today, or in the 1930's that would agree that this policy is good for business.

Like it or not the economic structure of Nazi Germany is in solidarity with Marx's ten recommendations for a socialist system. The reason the Nazis remained anti-communist was due to a internal power struggle. In actuality their methods were the same. Ask any German that lived in Germany during the Nazi reign, and through the subsequent closing of the Iron Curtain. Some citizens in Eastern Germany had a hard time recognizing that power had even changed hands.

In addition, Stalin and Hitler used propaganda in the same manner. Fact is, Nazism and Communism are the only logic results that the implementation of Marxist socialism can have. Communists are Nazis, Nazis Communists. How does it feel to be a Nazi?

To be fair to the argument, we must recognize that theri was a difference in the manner by which the two regimes killed, although the destruction remained devastating to all of the citizens residing in both countries. The Nazis engaged in less democide (politicide), and preferred genocide, while the communists mainly killed based on class and political opposition. One must remember that Stalinist Russia killed more than three times the number of people that the Nazis killed in concentration camps.

[Sensitive]

Quote: from Ghost Writer on 4:18 am on July 24, 2003
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Learn your history, pal.
ROFL! I just took a history course on the 20th century. Hitler most definitely did have very strong support from German big business, because Hitler was always very anti-Communist. Hitler even attacked Communists as being "Jews" because Trotsky and Marx had Jewish backgrounds.

[Ghost Writer]

Perhaps you didn't read the Time Magazine quote. You say that Hitler had the support of big business, and reviled the communists. You are right, but you are ignoring what followed from this support. As stated by Time Magazine Hitler betrayed the businessmen who supported him, and was in fact leftist in his economic policies.

[notyetacommie]

Quote: from Ghost Writer on 10:34 am on July 24, 2003
Furthermore, Hitler setup the National Labour Front under the National Labour Law on January 20, 1934. Under this law the Nazi government had direct control of all businesses, the employees and employers, with over twenty people on staff. Kind of reminds you of some of the bureaucracies set up by democrats, the EEOC, and OSHA come to mind immediately. This fact is hardly consistent with your view that the National Socialist Workers Party of Germany was somehow pro-business. I beg you to find one business person alive today, or in the 1930's that would agree that this policy is good for business.

Like it or not the economic structure of Nazi Germany is in solidarity with Marx's ten recommendations for a socialist system. The reason the Nazis remained anti-communist was due to a internal power struggle. In actuality their methods were the same. Ask any German that lived in Germany during the Nazi reign, and through the subsequent closing of the Iron Curtain. Some citizens in Eastern Germany had a hard time recognizing that power had even changed hands.

In addition, Stalin and Hitler used propaganda in the same manner. Fact is, Nazism and Communism are the only logic results that the implementation of Marxist socialism can have. Communists are Nazis, Nazis Communists. How does it feel to be a Nazi?

To be fair to the argument, we must recognize that theri was a difference in the manner by which the two regimes killed, although the destruction remained devastating to all of the citizens residing in both countries. The Nazis engaged in less democide (politicide), and preferred genocide, while the communists mainly killed based on class and political opposition. One must remember that Stalinist Russia killed more than three times the number of people that the Nazis killed in concentration camps.

!. Does Patriot Act ring the bell?

2. Could you list here all ten Marx's recomendations and compare them with what Hitler did? Prove your point.

3. They were not the only ones to use propaganda. You prove it by your own attitude towards the left wing. You conveniently forget that Bush Junior's granny actually was an important figure in the US-Nazi collaboration. Will his grandson be different? Why?

4. Can you show me the figures supporting your point? Firm figures, not the propaganda "estimates". It has been "estimated", you know, that the USA has killed more foreign civilians than any other nation in history- you won't be able to dispruve such a statement, right? So don't use the same logic speaking about Communism.

Also, Stalin was a dictator. You know it. I know it.
But there was also the Politburo, which is also a form of representative democracy, resembling what you now have, in a sense. Yes, the choice was very limited- everybody could only vote for Comunists. Now, tell me, what choice do you have? Either Bush or Gore, whose political platforms were almost equal- is this what you call a choice?
Yes, the Politburo didn't work the way it should have when Stalin was elected Chairman. But your "democracy" is also faulted, and your Electoral College resembles the Politburo more than you think- it also ensures that the people don't matter during elections.

As for the murderous nature of Socialism, your flag is Stalin. I doubt you can say there was a lot of mass murder while other Soviet leaders were in power- the ones that followed Stalin.

What strikes me most in your posts is your disability to distinguish between different left wingers.
Have you heard about Bakunin? He was also leftist, he called himself communist, but he argued a lot with Marx. The Great Russian Revolution was mainly carried out by anarchists, who had vast disagreement with the policy of War Communism. I doubt there would be Stalin's terror had they won the fight with Bolsheviks

[Sensitive]

Quote: from Ghost Writer on 5:22 am on July 24, 2003
Perhaps you didn't read the Time Magazine quote. You say that Hitler had the support of big business, and reviled the communists. You are right, but you are ignoring what followed from this support. As stated by Time Magazine Hitler betrayed the businessmen who supported him, and was in fact leftist in his economic policies.
Hitler had big business support throughout the war. Many German companies got very rich from producing war goods (especially with the help of slave labor). Your Time Magazine quote only makes vague socialist accusations against Hitler (if the quote is even real). It proves nothing.

[Exploited Class]

(Dear Hillary)

During the past several months in the American press, the Democrats have frequently denounced the Republicans as Nazis due to their attempts to control runaway federal spending.
hehehe how cute. I love seeing giant generalization of people. "The Democrats", so 1 or 2, publicly elected officials? The whole DNC? People he knows are registered democrats said this? He just thinks Democrats say this all the time, he reads it on message boards? Nice way to just make it sound like Democratic Congress just goes around on all news shows throwing around the word Nazi all the time. Maybe it was two out of the couple thousand that said it...??? We will never know, because he doesn't want to tell us and would rather make huge personal opinions and generalizations. Awesome writing!

How very ironic. I remember the Nazis. Let me share a little about them and recall some of their exploits.
See here, we are almost led to believe that he was a survivor in the holocaust or lived in Germany at the time. The way he uses a reflection or recall, it would make one consciously or subconsciously believe the person was reflecting on past first hand experience. Oh he doesn't say it, but leads one to believe it.


First of all, "Nazi" was gutter slang for the verb "to nationalize". The Bider-Mienhoff gang gave themselves this moniker during their early struggles. The official title of the Nazi Party was "The National Socialist Workers Party of Germany". Hitler and the Brownshirts advocated the nationalization of education, health care, transportation, national resources, manufacturing, distribution and law enforcement.
Here he makes you almost think he is perhaps a history scholar or perhaps an expert on German history. He does so by throwing irrelevant data that makes him sound very clued in and maybe make you just assume the rest is true since he sounds intelligible. Because "First of all, "Nazi" was gutter slang for the verb "to nationalize". The Bider-Mienhoff gang gave themselves this moniker during their early struggles.Because that has no applicable reason for being there other than that reason.

Hitler came to power by turning the working class, unemployed, and academic elite against the conservative republic.
What the author fails to tell you is that 90% of all change comes this demographic, and that anybody who would want to seize power would go for the largest and most easily exploited group of people. You might realize that America's own "Revolutionary War" was done much the same way. The upper-class made cheap easily read pamphlets and distributed them among the working class, unemployed and people in bondage against the ruling class the conservative monarchy. But he makes it sound much more sinister.

After der fuhrer's election ceased being a political conspiracy and was transformed into a fashionable social phenomenon, pary membership was especially popular with educators, bureaucrats, and the press. Being a Nazi was politically correct. They called themselves "The Children of the New Age of World Order" and looked down their noses at everyone else. As Hitler accrued more power, he referred to his critics as "The Dark Forces of Anarchy and Hatred".
Well if he is going to try and use this to distinguish the difference between Republicans and Nazi's he is going the wrong way. As Hitler accrued more power, he referred to his critics as "The Dark Forces of Anarchy and Hatred". I am pretty sure Bush is saying this blanket statement against nations, calling them Evil, and I believe Reagan used the term Evil Empire to describe USSR. So if anybody's pants are on fire for making accusations and blanket judgment statements about people, it would be Republicans. How many times have I heard, "Gays are Evil from the religious right?" Its strawman... party membership was especially popular with educators, bureaucrats, and the press. That makes me think of Capitalism in this country, what with business schools, economic classes, business section in every newspaper and it is pretty popular and socially acceptable to say you are a Capitalist.

“I had an opportunity several times to testify before the Senate and the House, and to make the point that what we're dealing with here is not immigration; we're dealing with evil.”

Attorney General John Ashcroft Outlines Foreign Terrorist Tracking Task Force October 31,2001


Anyone who questioned Nazi high-handedness in the German press was branded a "Conservative Reactionary". Joseph Goebbels, minister of communications, proclaimed a "New World Order". This is hilarious, Joseph Goebbels re-incarnated into our own Rumsfeld. Who said they would "Reward" the media organizations that did a good job and not the others. Although he never defines what a "Good Job" is.

The Nazi reign of terror began with false news reports on the Jews, Bohemians and Gypses who were said to be arming themselves to overthrow the "New World Order" and Hitler demanded that all good people register their guns so that they wouldn't fall into the hands of "terrorists and madmen". Right wing fanatics of the "Old Order" who protested firearms registration were arrested by the S.S. and put in jail for "fomenting hatred against the Government of the German people".

Now we see what the real message of this whole letter is, "Gun Control = Nazis" Yah that hasn't been said about a million times. Try google search Democrats+Nazi+Gun+Control I guess one always equals the other, so I suppose that in Great Britain who has gun restrictions, we should expect to see a Hitler and day now.... I am on the edge of my chair for this one. Man this guy is so original to put those two together, Gun Restrictions can only be done by Nazis. That's it, no room for debate, if you oppose guns you enjoy killing millions of Jews, it's true. Just that one idea of Gun restrictions or gun control makes you an immediate wanter of genocide and World War.

Then the Reichstag (government building) was blown up and Hitler ram-rodded an "Emergency Anti-Terrorist Act" through Parliament that gave the Gestapo extraordinary powers.
So this would be a slander on the republicans for their Patriot Act? Which was for anti-terrorist reasons? Gestapo got extraordinary powers, so did our CIA and FBI and local Police. We even developed a whole new department for this called Homeland Defense. So he is still building a bigger verdict of Conservative Republicans as Nazi's than he has Democrats with just their Gun Restriction Lobbies. So I get it, the Republican Conservatives will setup a police state/fascist state through legislation, but it won’t bear fruit till the guns are taken away by the evil Democrat Nazis.

The leader then declared that for the well-being of the German people, all private firearms were to be confiscated by the Gestapo and the Wermotten (federal law enforcement and military). German citizens, who refused to surrender their guns when the "jack-boots" (Gestapo) came calling, were murdered in their homes. By the way, the Gestapo were the federal marshals' service of the Third Reich. The S.W.A.T. team was invented and perfected by the Gestapo to break into the homes of the enemies of the German people.
I like how again shows off his incredible in depth knowledge into German internal policies during Hitler's time. Wermotten (That is Federalies for you dummies unlike me) Yah and nobody has heard of Urban Warfare? Really big training in the 80's during Reagan's time, oh wait his administration defended it by saying it was for S. American Militant Groups.

When the Policia Bewakken, or local police, refused to take away guns from townsfolk, they themselves were disarmed and dragged out into the street and shot to death by the S.A.
Uh... that was anybody that disagreed or refused to do anything against the will of the ruling class. But let's just center on GUN CONTROL for the purpose of this letter. Because speaking about the other atrocities wouldn't strengthen his Democrats=Nazi with gun control theory.

and the S.S. Those were Nazi versions of the B.A.T.F. and the F.B.I. When several local ministers spoke out against these atrocities, they were imprisoned and never seen again.
Yes you can really compare the F.B.I. to the S.S. So if this is true, and Stormin Normin agrees with this, I suppose when anybody on this board suggests that the F.B.I. is horrible organization used by the upper class to suppress and strike fear into the lower class like the S.S. did he will have to agree. If not then he needs to agree that this guy is a gun raving lunatic.


The Gestapo began to confiscate and seize the homes, businesses, bank accounts, and personal belongings of wealthy conservative citizens who had prospered in the old Republic.
Gee you think? You think Hitler took out his strongest opposition, people with power and resources? Who would have thought that oh and he went on to do this to the rest of Europe too without taking away their guns first. Oh man and also isn’t this what we did to the Japanese immigrants of WW2 with on our own states? How many businesses did they lose and homes, or were unable to make payments on things while in camps and lost their belongings? So America is full of Nazis!

Public schools rewrote history and Hitler youth groups taught the children to report their parents to their teachers for anti-Nazi remarks.
I remember a few news articles here in America where Anti-American remarks in papers got children in trouble.

Pagan animism became the state religion of the Third Reich and Christians were widely condemned as "right wing fanatics".
Prove it you nut! I only remember so many speeches with god in it by Hitler and his close association with Catholicism. So now, according to this guy, if you don't believe in one of the 50 gods to chose from on this planet, you are also a NAZI. Sorry, he does single it down to just Christians, I can’t tell what faith this guy is, if you don't believe in the Christian god you are a nazi. Pagan? What the fuck? Out of all the books and stories I have read, I never saw Pagan and Nazi's associated, but okay.

Millions of books were burned first
So there were still Christians in Germany after all, or the Christian groups in America that burn books must also be Nazis? BUT THIS CONFLICTS!!!! Democrats want gun control = Nazis but Christians burning books does not equal Nazis???? So it a pick and chose kind of story, nice….

and then people. Millions of them burned in huge ovens after they were first gassed to death.
So the people weren't burned, their corpses were, because they were first gassed. But hey how he worded it, you would first think people were burned alive... not that it makes it any better or worse, just his intelligence is showing in his writing prose. And oh by the way in case anybody reading this letter to editor didn't know, now this is going to be shocking but thankfully this guy pointed out a historical fact that we might all not be aware of, Nazi's murdered millions of innocent people. Oh and NAZIs just like democrats want your guns, the two are indifferent.

Unmarried women were paid large sums of money to have babies out of wedlock and then given medals for it. Evil was declared as being good, and good was condemned as being evil. World Order was coming and the German people were going to be the "peacekeepers".
See in Germany a lot of people didn't know this but 3 of 3 things happened that this writer is aware of, not a lot of people knew this.
1. Evil and Good are easily defined (by the reader)
2. Germany had a giant bored where they kept two columns. One was a column of Evil and the other Column of Good, they switched around the things listed under them. Also Night turned to Day and Day to Night and this is what Democratic/Nazi's want to do.
3. Hitler had a magic Good/Evil ring that he twisted to change everything.
The "Peacekeeper" thing at the end is a jab at Pres. Clinton for the whole sending troops to Yugoslavia. I would really love to hear this guy’s views on Iraq's "Liberation Forces",
Oh he is probably a right wing hypocrite that agrees 100% with whatever Bush does. Because
A. Bush will not take away the guns
B. Bush is Christian
C. Bush is a Capitalist
D. Bush is a republican
E. Bush Like a big military and starting new organizations like homeland defense.

Yes, indeed(Hillary), I remember the Nazis and they weren't Republicans, or "right wing", or "patriots" or "militias". They were Socialist monsters.

But of course Nazis were socialist monsters; throw the word evil in there some more. Don’t hold back, tell us what you really think Mr. Obsessed with Hillary Clinton. Because everybody had a job, all companies were controlled by the people, not one political party; everybody was given what they could do, to each his ability was a big Nazi slogan. Nazis never used capitalistic terms like "Work will set you free"

Thomas Colton Ruthford Gun Fanatic Nut, the exact freaks I wish to take guns away from.

Man this guy makes a better argument for Conservatives, republicans and America in general as being Nazis than just Hillary Clinton, or all those supposed democrats.

[Exploited Class]

Quote: from joanofarch on 9:11 am on July 24, 2003

Quote: from exploitedclass on 9:02 am on July 24, 2003

Quote: from joanofarch on 8:38 am on July 24, 2003
"We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions." Hitler (In a speech on May 1, 1927.)



He didn't stick with or introduce a socialist system, why? Because it wouldn't have benefited him to do so, and any type he did try to introduce was a very far cry from what Marx or Engles had written and theorized about. So he wasn't a socialist, he just used a great system as his bandstand popularity achieving marketing scheme.

You can call yourself whatever you want, but if you don't follow through with it, then you are a liar.

So you can call yourself whatever you want to get popular with a popular idea.


Perhaps you failed to read Ghost Writer’s initial post. Hitler clearly adhered to the tenets of socialism. You are a spineless defender of nazism, how popular does that make you?

Perhaps you didn't read his initial post.
"Hitler and the Brownshirts advocated the nationalization of education, health care, transportation, national resources, manufacturing, distribution and law enforcement."

Advocated is the word here, not implement.
Big difference.

Advocate: One that argues for a cause; a supporter or defender:

Implement: To put into practical effect; carry out: implement the new procedures.

Its okay, we have a lot of people here who speak english as a second language, I am guessing it is your second language as well.

[Exploited Class]

Quote: from Sensitive on 11:30 am on July 24, 2003

Quote: from Ghost Writer on 5:22 am on July 24, 2003
Perhaps you didn't read the Time Magazine quote. You say that Hitler had the support of big business, and reviled the communists. You are right, but you are ignoring what followed from this support. As stated by Time Magazine Hitler betrayed the businessmen who supported him, and was in fact leftist in his economic policies.
Hitler had big business support throughout the war. Many German companies got very rich from producing war goods (especially with the help of slave labor). Your Time Magazine quote only makes vague socialist accusations against Hitler (if the quote is even real). It proves nothing.


It seems many buisnesses today are being sued by Jewish people who had to work for those buisnesses as slave labor. Not suing the country, but the buisnesses.

[Invader Zim]

Ghost you have shown you are more ignorant than I had ever imagined.

I have had the displeasure to read some of Mein Kamph, i did not finish it as I could feal my eyes turning brown with the shit, however what I did read heavily supported the views of Adam Smith, and the free market ideals. Also the segregation of different race's to improve the betterment of another race. These are hardly socialist ideals, infact they are capitalist and right wing, the fact that hitler stuck National infrount of socialist shows it to be an oxymoron. Socialism is against imperialism, and socialists do not see them selves or there nation as being better than another nation. Where as a nationalist believes quite the oppersit, so a national socialist cannot exist in any logical form, all you get is right wing Nazism. Like you.

[Cassius Clay]

All these Capitalists forget one thing that Nazi Germany was Capitalist between 1933 and 1945. As Capitalist as uncle sam and the British Empire.

[Vinny Rafarino]

This idiot cannot even research how the name Baader-Meinhof is properly spelled prior to actually sending his drivel in a post.

Is this moron saying that the Baader-Meinhof group (or RAF) used the Nazi moniker during their early stages in '68?

What a fucking imbecile. The guy has no idea what he is talking about. The Red Army Faction has never been associated with the Nazi party, they were a fucking communist urban armed struggle group! I should fucking know!

Let's break it down;

RED-ARMY-faction

[Liberty Lover]

Quote: from Sensitive on 9:58 am on July 24, 2003
Hitler had very, very, very strong support from German big business, because Hitler promised them that he would prevent the Communists from taking power).


The American communist historian David Abraham wrote a book on this titled, The Collapse of the Weimer Republic. In it Abraham deliberately invented and falsified archival material in order to discredit German capitalism and blame it for the fall of the Weimer republic. Hundreds of egregious mistakes have been exposed in Abraham’s books, including the printing of inaccurate paraphrase as if they were direct quotations from the documents, mistranslations, inventions and falsifications of the sources.

For example, Abraham cites a major German industrialist as writing in a private letter that it was desirable 'to crystallize the bourgeoisie right and the Nazi party into one'. However the word 'not' was conveniently omitted by Abraham in order to substantiate his claims.

If German enterprises were to blame for the rise of Nazism would Abraham need to do this? I think not.

Source: In Defence of History, by Richard Evans

[Exploited Class]

You know what this whole letter boils down to is this,

A universal accepted fact, accepted by all but a very, very small majority, Nazis are evil.

Nobody ever argues that, minus perhaps actual klansmen and Nazis.

Since it is accepted around the globe that Nazis are the universal lowest and vile evil in the world, to tag a group you do not like as somehow being associated with Nazis in some form or another.

If you are a christian and you don't like heathens, then define Nazis as heathens then you can cut to the chase and make heathens evil like the nazis.

If you don't like gun control, then associate it with what the Nazis did so you can call people who want gun control evil and tie them in with Nazis.

If you are a capitalist and hate communists then find some way to tie communism with nazis so communists can be evil.

If you are a communist and hate capitalism then you can try and tie capitalism to nazis and have an easy out to calling capitalism evil just like Nazis.

Because it is all about nobody ever wanting to be tied to something evil. Christians have done it, "Satan would do that, and Satan is evil, so if you do it you are evil." Well fuck nobody wants the stigma of being evil, nazi, satan or otherwise. So one tries to win some type of argument by saying "Action A was done by the Nazis, Group B wants to do Action A so Group B are nazis and since Nazi's are evil, group B must be evil as well."

Well Nazis drank water and alcohol and ate food. So by this rational I guess we are all a little bit of nazis.

It the weakest of arguments ever presented and anybody who resorts to it is grabbing at straws because they don't have any real argument to bring aboard.

I am not suprised that Stormin Normin enjoys this insepit writings of a class A moron. Nor am I suprised that somebody that doesn't know the difference between advocate and implement, also enjoys Stormin Normin and this big pile of steaming crap.

If this writer would have turned this into a college proffesor, he would have flunked.

[Liberty Lover]

How old are you?

[Exploited Class]

Quote: from Liberty Lover on 11:27 am on July 25, 2003
How old are you?

Whenever somebody asks any of the following to me on the internet, A/S/L? I always have to ask back first...

Why?

[Ghost Writer]

"If you are a capitalist and hate communists then find some way to tie communism with nazis so communists can be evil."

There is no need to tie the nazis to communism in order to make communism evil. Communism is evil to the core. It is just remarkable how similar communist and nazis actually are.

[canikickit]

There is no need to tie the nazis to communism in order to make communism evil. Communism is evil to the core. It is just remarkable how similar communist and nazis actually are.


Hey hey! You completely missed out on her point.
Here is the rebuttal I prepared for your well thought out argument:

There is no need to tie the nazis to capitalism in order to make capitalism evil. Capitalism is evil to the core. It is just remarkable how similar capitalists and nazis actually are. I hate all evil, don't you?

[synthesis]

If advocating a workers' democracy makes me evil, then hand me a pitchfork and call me Lucy.

[Vinny Rafarino]

Isn't there several threads where it is proven Hitler was a capitalist? Yes indeed.

I love how this moron here quotes Hitler from 1927. This was well before he became a political power for fascist capitalism. There have been many cases of people switching Ideals. Hitler used Socialism to rally the german masses and then used their unity for his own imperialistic, fascist and CAPITALIST policies.

The quality of capitalist in this forum is very low.

[Ghost Writer]

"The quality of capitalist in this forum is very low."

This coming from a from a factory reject, like Comrade RAF. When was the last time you posted anything of value?

[Vinny Rafarino]

Ghost whiner's pussy must be hurting again. He is whining quite a bit lately.

[Ghost Writer]

If I thought we lived in close proximity, I would challenge you to a fight. Just like everything else, I am sure I would prove that I am better than you at yet another skill. I wish it were possible to find out exactly who the bigger pussy is, fucktard.

[Vinny Rafarino]

EDIT: I hope you wrote it down.

Come on down "fucktard"


(Edited by COMRADE RAF at 8:29 am on July 27, 2003)

[Ghost Writer]

I doubt that you would post your real address on the internet. However, I have some friends in AZ. Next time I am visiting them perhaps I will give it a try. At last, we may be able to settle this once and for all. Ever been curb checked?

[Vinny Rafarino]

I hope you understand why I took it down...So hopefully you wrote it down you spineless bastard. Please I'm begging you. Come and "curb check" me.

[Ghost Writer]

I didn't. I didn't think you would remove it so quickly. If you really wish for me to come and beat the shit out of you, feel free to PM me. I will get to it as soon as my schedule permits.

P.S. I fully understand why you took it down, because you as spineless as all communists. No, seriously, I wouldn't have put it up in the first place, and in reality I doubt we will be meeting in person. For now, I am content keeping my hatred for you on this board. I don't really wish to end up in prison. I must admit, it wouldn't be too satisfying to kick hell out of a pussy like yourself. As I have stated before, I like a challenge.

[canikickit]

My daddy would beat the hell out of your daddy!

[Invader Zim]

Quote: from canikickit on 6:07 pm on July 27, 2003
My daddy would beat the hell out of your daddy!

Probably.

[Ghost Writer]

"My daddy would beat the hell out of your daddy!"

My dad is dead, so I guess he could if he wanted to dig him up.

[Vinny Rafarino]

Now that I have PM'd it to him lets see what this **** does with it. I got 100 quid that says the little pussy never shows up here.

Come and kick my ass boy.

[Ghost Writer]

Okay, I'll drive 1000 miles just to fight some idiot I met over the internet. If you lived in my town, I'd have been their last night. Like I said, if I go on vacation in AZ to visit my friends, I will be sure to coming knocking on your door, Lerch.

[Vinny Rafarino]

Right-o toughguy.