Useful indicator of class counsciousness?

[eyedrop]

In a recent poll by Visendi done, in Norway, Sweden and Finland on 2343 employes, 50% said they could do a better job as a boss than their boss.

That most people believe that they are fit to rule is a requierement for a libertarian socialist revolution viability and this poll measures it in an indirect way.

Unfortunately most people buy into the lie that they are gonna be the a boss in the future.

Source (http://www.dagbladet.no/2008/12/04/nyheter/innenriks/arbeidsliv/3927799/)


Hmmmm, I thought i had something substancial to say, but it evidently slipped out.

[Potemkin]

Well, you (and the poll) bring up a few interesting points. At least in the United States, one of the big impediments to organizing as a class is the false belief in upward mobility. Even though something like over 90% of people will die in the same class they were born into, they go on thinking that they'll end up rich someday. In doing so, they often identify more with the upper class than with their own class, and often work against their own interests. This, of course, is something the ruling class tries to perpetuate.

So, while it may seem like people are "ready to rule" they mean they're ready to rule others, not themselves, and I would argue that it just goes to show how bought into the system everyone really is.

[Oneironaut]

From my experience in the workplace, almost all of my coworkers know that they could run the show better than our bosses. Our favorite lunch topic is how arbitrary bosses are. Potemkin does raise a very valid point and one that we must attack in the workplace. I also get the feeling, at least with my coworkers, that some feel they would be better bosses, but bosses none the less. I try to attack this idea as much as possible and I've gotten a few coworkers to realize that the proletariat really is in the shit together. We even sport stickers on our hardhats that they "Fire your boss", much to the dismay of our bosses :laugh:.

Nevertheless, I feel like it still is a gain when a worker feels she can do her boss's job better than he. At least these workers realize how unproductive and inefficient upper management is and that a worker would be better at running the show. Its our job to take them to the next level of consciousness through as much education and conversation that we have available so they realize their class interests and how our class can only collaborate together for lasting gains.

[eyedrop]

Well, you (and the poll) bring up a few interesting points. At least in the United States, one of the big impediments to organizing as a class is the false belief in upward mobility. Even though something like over 90% of people will die in the same class they were born into, they go on thinking that they'll end up rich someday. In doing so, they often identify more with the upper class than with their own class, and often work against their own interests. This, of course, is something the ruling class tries to perpetuate.

True, altough most studies shows that class status is mostly decided by inheritance, as shown by the masters degree by Magne Flemming earlier this year. Link (http://www.dagbladet.no/magasinet/2008/04/30/534051.html) (In Norwegian :()

Another interesting statistic from the research he did was that the economical upper class only has an average of 1 year of education above college (? the one you are finished with when you are 18-19)


The next time a movement emerges I have hope that most people will believe they themselfes can rule and not just appoint some new leaders, ie politicians and union bosses.