Nation "Anarchism" - The new movement know as 3rd Positionis

[MiNdGaMe]

A new breed of morons and racist fascists

An Infoshop Article on this new threat:
http://www.infoshop.org/news6/billwhite.php

Self proclaimed National "Anarchists":
http://www.nationalanarchist.com
http://www.terrafirma.rosenoire.org

[Troy Southgate]

National-Anarchists? Morons? Racists? Fascists?

I challenge you to prove all three.

[Troy Southgate]

And, contrary to your description, we are not 'known as third position fascists', either. We reject both fascism and the third position ...

[Troy Southgate]

Troy Southgate: TRANSCENDING THE BEYOND FROM THIRD POSITION TO NATIONAL-ANARCHISM

Man's obsession with trinitarian concepts has lasted for thousands of years. Indeed, when presented with two distinct choices - both of which are considered inadequate - we often look for a third alternative. In the late sixth century BC, the famous Buddhist sage, Prince Gautama, rejected a life of opulent complacency and experimented with self-disciple and denial. Consequently, after driving himself to the very brink of starvation the Prince realised that there was -a middle way- beyond both luxury and asceticism. In this case, it was the path of meditation and detachment, a process in which both lifestyles were transcended and overcome.

An interesting parallel can be drawn between the example of Gautama-s rejection of hereditary privilege and the search for an alternative to Capitalism during the late-nineteenth and early-twentieth centuries. The -solution-, as we know only too well, was Communism. In fact the last century may be rightly perceived as having been a furious historical battleground for two highly adversarial and bitterly-opposed ideologies. But as Hilaire Belloc observed in The Restoration of Property over sixty years ago, the differences between the two are not as distinct or clear-cut as their supporters often like to contend: -The only economic difference between a herd of subservient Russians and a mob of free Englishmen pouring into a factory of a morning is that the latter are exploited by private profit, the former by the State in communal fashion. The motive of the Russian masters is to establish a comfortable bureaucracy for themselves and their friends out of the proletariat labour. The motive of the English masters is to increase their private fortunes out of proletariat labour. But we want something different from either-. Thus Communism is considered, not as the antidote, but as a symptom and a product of Capitalism. Belloc-s own quest for a genuine alternative to both Capitalism and Communism was represented by The Distributist League, which he founded in 1936 with G.K. Chesterton. Both were famous converts to Catholicism and were inspired by Rerum Novarum, a timely encyclical in which Pope Leo XIII replied to the challenge of atheistic Communism by proposing that property be distributed more fairly and workers treated with more dignity. As we shall see below, Belloc and Chesterton were to become two of the chief ideologues of the new Third Position.

By the late-1970s Britain-s largest Far Right organisation, the National Front (NF), had experienced an unprecedented growth spurt. Virtually indistinguishable from the more mainstream Conservative Party in that it defended family values, law and order, capital punishment and several other Right-wing policies, the NF became a household name due to its opposition to multi-racialism and support for the compulsory repatriation of all non-white immigrants. By 1979, however, the Party was heavily defeated at the ballot box after Margaret Thatcher had herself expressed one or two outspoken comments about the growing immigration problem. As a result, most NF supporters left for the comparatively less extreme realms of the Centre Right, although, predictably, Mrs. Thatcher-s pledge to tighten up on immigration was never practicably consolidated. From that point onwards the NF went through a period of factionalism, as the complicated mish-mash of ideologies which for so long had marched beneath the same banner now resulted in a bitter struggle between reactionary conservatives, blatant neo-nazis and revolutionaries. NF luminaries like Martin Webster and John Tyndall were ousted from the Party in the early-1980s, clearing the way for a new up-and-coming generation of young activists; men like Derek Holland, Nick Griffin, Patrick Harrington and Graham Williamson. These individuals had been motivated by -third way- organisations abroad, not least by Italy-s Terza Pozitione (Third Position) and the exiled Roberto Fiore. The strategy of tension - Anno di Piombo - which had characterised Italian politics during the 1970s had led to the development of the Nuclei Armati Rivoluzionari (Armed Revolutionary Nuclei), and demonstrators had been seen on the streets bearing placards in simultaneous praise of both Hitler and Mao. Many NF members had also been inspired by Otto Strasser, a former member of the German National-Socialist Workers Party who had fought with Hitler over the latter-s betrayal of the NSDAP-s more socialistic tenets. So, for the NF, this was to be a new era for revolutionary politics. One in which the boundaries of -left- and -right- were to be totally rejected and redefined.

In 1983 the British NF began to publish a series of revolutionary magazines, entitled Rising: Booklet For The Political Soldier, in which detailed articles were given over to the twin concepts of political sacrifice and struggle. Meanwhile, Derek Holland-s pamphlet, The Political Soldier, inspired yet another generation of new activists and was heavily influenced by the Italian philosopher Julius Evola. By 1986 the NF claimed to have finally purged its ranks of -Tories- and -reactionaries- and, much to the chagrin of the traditional Left, was soon forging alliances with Black separatist organisations like Louis Farrakhan-s Nation of Islam and commending the -third way- stance of Khomeini-s Iran. Indeed, whilst the works of Belloc and Chesterton were used to provide the NF with a unique economic platform, the organisation was also advocating Popular Rule, an interesting socio-political theory in which the structure of British society would become so decentralised that it would come to resemble that of Colonel Qathafi-s Libya. Not culturally, but in terms of establishing street, area and regional committees through which power could be decisively channelled up from the grass roots. This, of course, was in stark contrast to the NF-s former dependence upon the electoral voting system. The NF, in awe of its Libyan counterparts, was now distributing copies of Qathafi-s Green Book and happily chanting the mantra -no representation without participation-. As a consequence, therefore, the NF-s rejection of the ballot box confirmed its inevitable admittance into the revolutionary domain of extra-parliamentary politics. The movement went on to express its support for regional independence, European solidarity, positive anti-racism and co-operation with Black and Asian communities residing in England.

These were exciting times for supporters of Revolutionary Nationalism, but the personality clashes which tend to prevail in all political circles eventually tore the organisation apart during the Autumn of 1989. On one side were gathered the supporters of Derek Holland, Colin Todd, Nick Griffin and Roberto Fiore, all of whom were involved in the establishment of a new rural project in northern France. On the other were Patrick Harrington, Graham Williamson and David Kerr, who believed that the administrative core of the organisation should remain in the British Isles. Holland, Todd, Griffin and Fiore all left to form the International Third Position (ITP), whilst Harrington and the remaining supporters of the NF disbanded the movement in March 1990 and formed Third Way. But for those who believed that the revolutionary dynamism of the late-1980s could somehow be recreated, it was to end in disappointment and dejection. Third Way became far more conservative by supporting anti-federalist and -save the pound- campaigns, now portraying itself as -the radical centre-. The ITP, on the other hand, tried to influence traditional Catholics grouped around The Society of St. Pius X, and - to the horror of the overwhelming majority of its membership - took the disastrous road towards reactionary fascism. So whilst one segment of the old NF had become -respectable- and centrist, the leaders of the other were espousing the principles of Mussolini, Petain and Franco. For the ITP, the inevitable spilt came in September 1992.

By this time I had been personally involved with the NF - and, consequently, the ITP - since joining as a teenager in 1984. Throughout those years I had served as Regional Organiser with both Sussex NF and the Tunbridge Wells branch of the ITP, publishing magazines such as The Kent Crusader, Surrey Action, Eastern Legion and Catholic Action. Combined with Northern Rising (published by the ITP-s Yorkshire and Lancashire branches), these publications comprised five-fifths of the organisation-s literary output. When the ITP virtually disintegrated in 1992, these magazines all withdrew their support. The ITP, meanwhile, was left with Final Conflict, comprising a mixture of skinhead youth culture and Christian bigotry.
The split occurred for a variety of reasons, most notably the fact that the ITP had rejected the internal cadre structure which had been used to such great effect during the NF period. Coupled with the fact that Derek Holland and several others had left the country and were now completely disinterested in the Third Positionist struggle in England, Roberto Fiore was attacked by myself and many others for his involvement in a ruthlessly Capitalist enterprise which operated from Central London. Several outgoing ITP activists also accused Holland and Fiore of stealing many thousands of pounds they had invested in property based within the group-s rural enclave in northern France. But the most decisive factor of all, however, was the ITP leadership-s increasing obsession with Catholicism and its gradual descent into the reactionary waters of neo-fascism.

From the tattered remains of the ITP came a new independence organisation, the English Nationalist Movement (ENM). New attempts were made to restate the principles of the Third Position, and ENM publications like The Crusader and Catalyst attacked both Hitler and Mussolini and preferred to emulate home-grown English socialists like Robert Owen, William Cobbett, Robert Blatchford and William Morris. This was combined with a call to arms. The ENM also campaigned against Unionism, advocating the break-up of the British Isles into seven distinct nations: England, Scotland, Wales, Ulster, Ireland, Mannin (Isle of Man) and Kernow (Cornwall). Meanwhile, its publishing service, The Rising Press, distributed booklets and pamphlets covering a whole range of topics, including works by Otto and Gregor Strasser, Corneliu Codreanu and Colonel Qathafi.

In 1998 the ENM changed its name to the National Revolutionary Faction and began to call for armed insurrection against the British State in even stronger terms. A series of detailed pamphlets and internal bulletins were disseminated amongst Nationalists across the length and breadth of the country, seeking to end the British National Party-s (BNP) obsession with marches and elections. The revamped organisation also forged contacts with like-minded Third Positionist groups abroad, such as Nouvelle Resistance (France), the American Front, Spartacus (Canada), the Canadian Front, Alternativa Europea (Spain), National Destiny (New Zealand), Devenir (Belgium), Rivolta (Italy), Free Nationalists (Germany) and the National Bolshevik Party (Russia). National Bolshevism is a concept which seeks to establish an alliance between East and West, and has been around for many years. Its earliest supporters were men like Arthur Moeller van den Bruck and Ernst Junger, both of whom tried desperately to unite Germany with Russia. National Bolshevism today is mainly associated with the contemporary Russian thinker, Alexander Dugin, and has become one of the NRF-s main interests. Not least because the NRF supports the creation of a decentralised Eurasian bloc in defiance of American hegemony.

In recent years the NRF has rejected Third Positionism and now describes itself as a National-Anarchist movement. In other words, whilst Third Positionists are committed to going beyond Capitalism and Communism, National-Anarchists have taken things one step further by actually transcending the very notion of beyond. According to the well-known Anarchist thinker, Hakim Bey, writing in Millennium (1996): "Five years ago it still remained possible to occupy a third position in the world, a neither/nor of refusal or slyness, a realm outside the dialectic". He goes on to suggest that "Where there is no second, no opposition, there can be no third, no neither/nor. So the choice remains: either we accept ourselves as the -last humans-, or else we accept ourselves as the opposition." This has led the NRF to praise Anarchist thinkers like Bakunin and Proudhon, as well as to reject the concept of the State and call for independent enclaves "in which National-Anarchists can live according to their own principles and ideals". National-Anarchists also declare that even after the demise of Capitalism they neither hope nor desire to establish a national infrastructure, believing that like-minded and pragmatic individuals must set up and maintain organic communities of their own choosing. This, of course, means that whilst the NRF retains its vision of Natural Order and racial separatism it no longer wishes to impose its beliefs on others. The group has also been involved in ecological campaigns, anti-Capitalist demonstrations and animal liberation circles.

The NRF has also been heavily influenced by Alternative Green, a group set up in the wake of Richard Hunt-s resignation as Editor from the leftist newspaper, Green Anarchist. Hunt-s unique economic analysis of the Western core-s exploitation of the Third World periphery, as well as his wholesale rejection of the division of labour, has led to an open-minded alliance between Alternative Green, the NRF, Nationale-Anarchie (German National-Anarchists), the Wessex Regionalists, Oriflamme (medievalists), Albion Awake (a Christian-Anarchist organisation), the Anarchic Movement (influenced by both Junger and Evola) and various other political groupuscles which all firmly believe that opponents of Capitalism from across the board must come together in order to exchange ideas and strategies. In May 2000 these elements staged the first Anarchist Heretics- Fair in Brighton, launching a new political initiative called Beyond Left-Right. This has since been attacked by a variety of -anarcho-dogmatists- on the Left, including the International Workers of the World (IWW) and Anti-Fascist Action (AFA). To date, however, neither of these organisations has attempted to explain precisely why the NRF or its allies deserve the -fascist- epithet or deserve their threats of violence and intimidation. Furthermore, fewer still have tried to define the actual meaning of -fascism- itself.

Given that ideologies such as National-Socialism, National Communism and National Bolshevism have each attempted to combine two seemingly diverse and contradictory opposites, the arrival of National-Anarchism always seemed inevitable. But what distinguishes the NRF from its counterparts within the prevailing left-right spectrum, however, is the fact that it is seeking to create a synthesis.

Indeed, Synthesis is the name of a new online magazine established by the Cercle de la Rose Noire, through which NRF thinkers, Evolians and prominent ex-members of the now defunct White Order of Thule (WOT) are promoting the three-fold strategy of -Anarchy-, -Occulture- and -Metapolitics-. The Circle's website, http://www.rosenoire.org has presented National-Anarchists with an esoteric perspective, becoming a huge counter-cultural resource from which articles, essays, poetry, interviews and reviews can be easy obtained.

The similarities between the strategy of National-Anarchism and the triadic analysis of the famous German philosopher, Georg Friedrich Hegel, are tremendous. Hegel believed that when confronted with the ineffectiveness of a thought or affirmation (thesis) and its subsequent negation (antithesis), the result is a yet further negation as the two original precepts are united and thus resolved at a much higher level (synthesis). Once this process takes place, the synthesis itself can then be negated by another antithesis, until the arrival of a second synthesis starts the whole process over again. This brings us back to our long and repeated flirtations with trinitarianism. When considered from this perspective, National-Anarchism appears to be the next logical next towards the raising of
mankind-s spiritual and intellectual consciousness.

TROY SOUTHGATE FOR PRAVDA.RU

(Edited by Troy Southgate at 5:44 pm on July 17, 2003)

[Saint-Just]

We know what you'll say about you not being racist. That you simply think that people should be seperated by race because different races can't live together and that you respect another race as much as your own.

But I wonder what would happen if you got into power. In my opinion you are racists, and you have created a theory to attempt to make it respectable.

All the racists are now espousing the same new theory. Are they simply not racists anymore? I doubt it.

[Troy Southgate]

There are National-Anarchist threads currently taking place in three forums:

FLAG.BLACKENED
http://flag.blackened.net/wwwthreads/showf...&fpart=all&vc=1 (http://flag.blackened.net/wwwthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=a101&Number=52538&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=0&fpart=all&vc=1)

CHE LIVES
http://www.che-lives.com/cgi/community/top...um=13&topic=955 (http://www.che-lives.com/cgi/community/topic.pl?forum=13&topic=955)

RED ACTION
http://www.redaction.org/forum/showthread....hp?threadid=776 (http://www.redaction.org/forum/showthread.php?threadid=776)

[sc4r]

Quote: from Chairman Mao on 6:37 pm on July 17, 2003
We know what you'll say about you not being racist. That you simply think that people should be seperated by race because different races can't live together and that you respect another race as much as your own.

But I wonder what would happen if you got into power. In my opinion you are racists, and you have created a theory to attempt to make it respectable.

All the racists are now espousing the same new theory. Are they simply not racists anymore? I doubt it.


Mao , There is no question of any doubt what this guy is.

NF = Racism.

It is that simple and direct.

[elijahcraig]

I agree, racists. Pure and fucking simple.

[Saint-Just]

I have seen that article before Troy, and similar views. The article itself has little about the actualy ideal, but rather more about the history of racism and its quest for legitimacy.

If we were all to consider your ideas as logical and not simply an excuse to one day physically harm, kill and deport people who you consider of a different ethnicity to you, then we would have this argument between us.
That is we would argue that different races can live together on peaceful terms, and you would argue that they never could because they can never adapt to your own culture etc. etc.

But in our experiences I am sure that here we all know, are friends with and maybe even love people of varying cultural and ethnic backgrounds.

If we can do it why can't you?

How can we ever accept your ideas are logical when in our own personal experience we find that your ideas would likely destroy our own lives as well as the lives of those around us.

If I modded this forum or the site I would have banned you. In our society, whether we are communists or liberals, capitalists etc. we have accepted that racism does not enter the political arena, that it is unacceptable and we will not debate it.

[redstar2000]

#Moderation Mode

The clearest case of a thread (and an individual) which belongs in Opposing Ideologies that I've seen yet.

:cool:

Moved here (http://www.che-lives.com/cgi/community/topic.pl?forum=22&topic=2638)

[Ben Sir Amos]

The ‘Sticky: Please read’ for this Opposing Ideologies forum says ‘No posts which are racist’ and the description of the forum says *No Nazi trash*.

Please could you give me a non-nazi, non-racist interpretation of what “the NRF retains
its vision of Natural Order and racial separatism” means.

If not, please would you, in moderation mode, wipe this trash off the forum and could we get someone to devise a programme that could cleanse my computer?

[Totalitarian]

Racism is the belief that one's race is superior to others. National Anarchists don't need to believe this, so they are not necessarily racist.

[Hampton]

You want to seperate people based on their race right? That makes you a racist, it's not that complicated.

[Ben Sir Amos]

Quote: from Totalitarian on 3:04 pm on July 18, 2003
Racism is the belief that one's race is superior to others. National Anarchists don't need to believe this, so they are not necessarily racist.


Hello Adolf, where did you spring from?

The stench in this thread is getting overpowering now there's more than one of you. It must be all that re-cycled garbage around here since the nazis started going for green credentials.

Come on Redstar. Moderate this thread into the sewer before they start going on about how 'natural order' doesn't imply any superiority, because then it'll be 'separate but equal' and homelands and we'll have 'national apartheid'.

I've got to get out of here before I gag

[rAW DEaL bILL]

yet another disgrace to all anarchists. im afraid i might fucking puke. *sigh* first the so-called "anarcho-capitalists" and no this bullshit. now we have neo-nazi fascists claiming to be anarchists. someone fucking shoot me in the face. christ. BLEGH. shite theres actualy someone here with totalitarian as there name?! chrsit. there sure is a shiteload of stupidity in the "left" ick. redstar please do everyone a favour and dump this whole thread.

[Saint-Just]

These national-anarchists do not claim to be left-wing. Anarcho-capitalists are anarchists, they believe share some of the beliefs you do; that state intervention is oppressive etc. This is why they are anarchists.

These racist-anarchists also share a similar belief, that there should be absolute freedom of speech, liberty in society etc. Although they're plan of forced repatriation doesn't sound like anarachy at all; more like the 'final solution'

Totalitarian... well I have never seen another individual like him, so I wouldn't even bother commenting on him.

[Ex Nihilo]

Quote: from Hampton on 4:03 pm on July 18, 2003
You want to seperate people based on their race right? That makes you a racist, it's not that complicated.


2 entries found for racism.
rac·ism ( P ) Pronunciation Key (rszm)
n.
1. The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
2. Discrimination or prejudice based on race.

NA's are more correctly termed as racialists.

ra·cial·ism ( P ) Pronunciation Key (rsh-lzm)
n.

1 A. An emphasis on race or racial considerations, as in determining policy or interpreting events.
B. Policy or practice based on racial considerations.

[Hampton]

Call them anything you want they still judge you by the color of your skin.

[Urban Rubble]

Exactly Hampton. I love it when these pieces of shit try to cover their blatant racism with titles like " National Anarchism".

Anarch, you, like your ideology, are a fucking joke, Go kill yourself, please.

[Ex Nihilo]

That's not Anarch. Anarch has been here for some time now as 'Anarcho'.

I think.

[Totalitarian]

Quote: from Hampton on 4:03 pm on July 18, 2003
You want to seperate people based on their race right? That makes you a racist, it's not that complicated.


I think people should not be banned from forming racially-exclusive businesses, schools and societies if they so choose. I think the most likely option is that human races will naturally coagulate into a single mass, with many varying tendrils which are the races.

Long-term, the human races can both speciate and mongrelise, which will increase biodiversity. The proportion of "mixed" people is getting higher, while seemingly "pure" races like the euro-aryans tend to try to remain apart.

Races are easy to form; they are simply group associations based on ancestry. With reproductive technology, a group of people could get together and try to make their children's genes as good as they can, and this race would be behaviourally (and over many generations) genetically different from the rest of society.

Races are social constructs, with a long term goal of speciation.

The out-breeding of whites is occuring on western land. Euro people have a much lower birthrate than most other races (with the exception of sino-japanese and ashkenazi jews).

Because of this, Euro people will become minorities throughout integrated areas of the west within x generations.

While some are indifferent to this extinction peril, others choose to bravely speak out against race-denial and its accompanying genocide.




(Edited by Totalitarian at 11:28 am on July 20, 2003)

[CompadreGuerrillera]

Well, look what the cat dragged in from the slaughterhaus. National Anarchism?

o my, it seems racism and fascism have grown smarter, delluding reasonable theories to draw the left into their mad scheme of segreation and nationalism

Do you oppose the system, only because it is in your way? Do you oppose it because, you would rather be in power, dictating the people?

Or is it just some more propoganda, to get anarchists and socialists to blindly join you?

You know, i dont know the answer to these questions, and i personally dont care, you WONT get Nazi RECRUITS here!

I would really appreciate it, Troy-The-Nationalist-Psychopath, if you could explain in simpler terms,

WHAT THE HELL IS THIS?

thank you very much

[Saint-Just]

You can have right-wing anarchism though.

The problem here is that this individual is not an anarchist, he proposes a violent and forceful solution to a problem that is non-existant. He may have forgotten to mention the part where he wishes to remove other races from his society by any means necessary.

[Vinny Rafarino]

These fucking cock suckers always fail to mention that eh comrade Mao? Now that the skinny is out in the open we should expect this racist **** (oh excuuuuuse me fuckwads, "racialist" ****) to now openly support violent searatist beliefs. So does the NF, KKK and what'sthatcrackersname...the old governor of Louisiana in the USA circa early sixtees...

[Ex Nihilo]

(oh excuuuuuse me fuckwads, "racialist" ****)


You'd better excuse yourself, *****.

[Vinny Rafarino]

Who's this fucking idiot? Am I to presume you are one of these twats? I assumed you were DC in hiding. Well if you are of the these racist little ****s then you are worth about as much the the shite I stepped in yesterday. So what is it boy? Racist **** capitalist or Racist **** national anarchist?

Speaking of *****es, I met a few blokes like you in prison. Big talkers at first, then six months down the line they are wearing makeup, mesh tank tops, and had their hair growing out.

The only ***** here is you son. Perhaps a few of these National Anarchist jokes as well.

[Totalitarian]

[i]"We believe that we should lift the level or the standard of our own society to a higher level wherein we will be satisfied and then not inclined toward pushing ourselves into other societies where we are not wanted.....black nationalism is that which is designed to encourage our people, the black people, to gain complete control over the politics and the politicians of our own community."

--- Malcolm X, 1964


"The colonies of the United States- and that includes the black ghettoes within its borders, North and South- must be liberated"

--- Stokely Carmichael, 1966


"The position which we of the South occupy on this question is not one of hostility...It is one of patriotic love for our race. We would not destroy the negro, but we would preserve the Caucasian. We will do the black man no harm, and we will not allow him to harm the white man."

---Frank Clark, 1908

[Hampton]

"The colonies of the United States- and that includes the black ghettoes within its borders, North and South- must be liberated"
--- Stokely Carmichael, 1966

Liberated from police and political oppression. Where does it say separate the two races?

"We believe that we should lift the level or the standard of our own society to a higher level wherein we will be satisfied and then not inclined toward pushing ourselves into other societies where we are not wanted.....black nationalism is that which is designed to encourage our people, the black people, to gain complete control over the politics and the politicians of our own community."
--- Malcolm X, 1964

How does your racist idea of separating the races even come close to what Malcolm is saying here? When he speaks of certain societies he most likely means upper class white society, he doesn’t mean the whole white society in general, there are poor whites who live in the ghetto. Black Nationalism made and still makes a lot of sense when Malcolm described it, but you take it out of context and most likely haven't read any other of this works on Black nationalism because if you did you would know that it describes blacks controlling the capital that is in their community, to not have another person come into the community and not employ the people who work there and not live in that community, spending the money that they get from the people in other communities. It dosen't decribe what you allude to.

"The position which we of the South occupy on this question is not one of hostility...It is one of patriotic love for our race. We would not destroy the negro, but we would preserve the Caucasian. We will do the black man no harm, and we will not allow him to harm the white man."
---Frank Clark, 1908

Did he say this one after a lynching?


(Edited by Hampton at 1:03 am on July 22, 2003)

[Vinny Rafarino]

Totalitarian,

None of your three examples had anything to do with separatism. The closest thing would be the cracker from 1908, but I don't think you were trying to incriminate other whiteys in your drivel here...whoops.

The KKK still this day claim they do not "hate" anyone that is not white. That is until you put a group of blacks in front of them that are not going to take their backwards racist bullshit. Then the truth comes out quickly. Fucking jackasses.

Perhaps in place of getting that pint comrade Hampton, we should go cracker-hunting down south together.

[Sabocat]

Quote: from COMRADE RAF on 3:29 am on July 21, 2003
Totalitarian,

None of your three examples had anything to do with separatism. The closest thing would be the cracker from 1908, but I don't think you were trying to incriminate other whiteys in your drivel here...whoops.

The KKK still this day claim they do not "hate" anyone that is not white. That is until you put a group of blacks in front of them that are not going to take their backwards racist bullshit. Then the truth comes out quickly. Fucking jackasses.

Perhaps in place of getting that pint comrade Hampton, we should go cracker-hunting down south together.

Ahhh...but where to start. You'd need an awfully large cache of ammunition to do the job right in the South and Midwest. Does, Remington, Federal, or Winchester even make ammunition in that quantity? ;)

I only have a couple of cases of Core Lokt .30-06 150gr. ammo on hand...

(Edited by Disgustapated at 8:52 am on July 21, 2003)

[Saint-Just]

People like Malcolm X achieved a lot for the black community. I would argue that his views were somewhat beyond equality. But people like that were needed to achieve equality.

He didn't say black should be seperated from whites, but that only blacks could achieve equality. He wanted blacks to govern themselves so they could create communities that couldn't be oppressive towards them. In fact, they never achieved this, but they did achieve recognition and some levels of political participation, it does though still need to go further. In my opinion, black-only shortlists for candidates and generally executing racists would help. In addition, the circumstances of society can be changed that we don't breed this kind of prejudice and that blacks also do not live confined in urban squalor. Once you put whites into the equation you make very little progress because all that comes out is compromise. The blacks had to step a mile for the whites to step back an inch.

In the U.S. today, blacks are far more equal in society, people like Malcolm X and all the blacks who fought for it are those that achieved this.

I agree we should take some time out for some red-neck gizzard-brook chicken huntin'. Cut their fingers and eyes out so they won't be posting on message boards anymore.

[Rastafari]

Call me a dumb fuck, but who is who here and whats going on!?

[Vinny Rafarino]

Ahhh. It is good to be with my comrades.

Comrades Mao, Hampton and Disgustapated I salute you.

Rasta,

We we just commenting on this riduculous individual that is trying to state that "separatism" is not a racist ideal and that Malcom X and Stokey Carmichael were national separatists. He provided quotes from these individuals that in no way suggested they were separatists.

The really absurd part being that Malcom in his early days published an assortment of separatist rhetoric for the NOI prior to cutting his ties with them. It's not hard to find this information. This leads me to believe the individual here is not only a a useless racist that requires puging but also a fucking imbecile.

I am not busy late next month, I have to be in Mexico city for a the first two weeks of August. Perhaps we can all meet up in Louisiana and hunt us some cracker-ass crackers then. I've been itching lately to leave some hillbillies swinging from that ole' oak tree for a while now. The south still provides a enormous range of targets that will do the gene-pool a favour.

[Totalitarian]

Quote: from Hampton on 6:01 am on July 21, 2003
"We believe that we should lift the level or the standard of our own society to a higher level wherein we will be satisfied and then not inclined toward pushing ourselves into other societies where we are not wanted.....black nationalism is that which is designed to encourage our people, the black people, to gain complete control over the politics and the politicians of our own community."
--- Malcolm X, 1964

How does your racist idea of separating the races even come close to what Malcolm is saying here? When he speaks of certain societies he most likely means upper class white society, he doesn’t mean the whole white society in general, there are poor whites who live in the ghetto. Black Nationalism made and still makes a lot of sense when Malcolm described it, but you take it out of context and most likely haven't read any other of this works on Black nationalism because if you did you would know that it describes blacks controlling the capital that is in their community, to not have another person come into the community and not employ the people who work there and not live in that community, spending the money that they get from the people in other communities. It dosen't decribe what you allude to. (Edited by Hampton at 1:03 am on July 22, 2003)



I am fine with any form of nationalism which accepts the possibility of co-existence with other nations (not nescessarily integration of the enforced "melting pot" sort), including White and Black nationalism.

If you think Black nationalism is fine but White nationalism is somehow immoral, then that would make you a hypocrite.

[Totalitarian]

Quote: from COMRADE RAF on 8:29 am on July 21, 2003
Perhaps in place of getting that pint comrade Hampton, we should go cracker-hunting down south together.



Please don't hold back....reveal to us your true feelings towards "crackers".

[Totalitarian]

Quote: from Chairman Mao on 5:00 pm on July 21, 2003In my opinion, black-only shortlists for candidates and generally executing racists would help.

And how would the Death Squads decide who is and isn't a racist?

[Hampton]

It all has to do with positions of power. Black nationalism espouses what it does because they have no power to control what goes on in their community, something tells me your average white suburb doesn't have that problem. White nationalism just screams of supremacists and people like Jared Taylor who say that United States was created by white individuals for white people, and the white race should be concerned about securing white individuals' role as a majority in this country. There are obvious diffrences.

[Totalitarian]

Quote: from Hampton on 4:41 am on July 23, 2003
It all has to do with positions of power. Black nationalism espouses what it does because they have no power to control what goes on in their community, something tells me your average white suburb doesn't have that problem. White nationalism just screams of supremacists and people like Jared Taylor who say that United States was created by white individuals for white people, and the white race should be concerned about securing white individuals' role as a majority in this country. There are obvious diffrences.


Okay, point taken. But white people aren't like some invincible monolith. All western countries are destined to have white minorities within 2-4 generations at the rate things are going, and at that time (when whites are in a much more vulnerable position), White nationalism would become more justified.

[Vinny Rafarino]

Yes we all know Totalitarian. I don't like crackers. Being a white european male, I feel comfortable in stating the truth. How a racist windbag like yourself views me is irrelevant to me. I've been dealing with backwards twats like you for over 20 years. You don't intimidate me.

In case you did not notice boy, I don't subscribe to the "resistance by peacefull demostration and boycott" attitude. You clip one of mine? I will clip 20 of yours.

What is even more absurd is that you actually care about the "white race" becoming a minority. You silly bastard, globally the white race has always been a minority but aside from that, to have the type of pedomorphic thought processes necessary to actually bother with skin colour in the first place is simply beneath the more evolved thought processes of the socialist and communist parties.

How does it feel to actually be the lesser being son? Everything you know and believe is a lie and you are just too primitive to grasp it.

[Ex Nihilo]

How does it feel to be a self hating cracka?

[Totalitarian]

Comrade RAF:

It's nice to know that you can talk tough over a message board. How impressive!

What is even more absurd is that you actually care about the "white race" becoming a minority. You silly bastard, globally the white race has always been a minority

That is true. However, the prospect of whites becoming a minority in the west is a significantly different concept, and entails the possibility of political oppression against us in these lands.

to have the type of pedomorphic thought processes necessary to actually bother with skin colour in the first place is simply beneath the more evolved thought processes of the socialist and communist parties.

I never said anything about skin colour.

[Hampton]

Quote: from Ex Nihilo on 3:20 pm on July 25, 2003
How does it feel to be a self hating cracka?


This is lame, just because he hates you and other jackasses who act like yourself and you happen to be the same skin color as him dosen't make him a 'self hating cracka", you make it sopund like you have to love everyone who shares your skin complexion.

[Totalitarian]

I have the same skin complexion as some asians, polynesians and other non-whites.