The third position

[The Douche]

How does the third position differ from neo-fascism? They both claim to be the "third way" not socialist, and not capitalist, not right nor left, but above. How is this different from neo-fascism? I want to read some third position ideological texts to see if I can discern a difference between the two. But obviously I don't want to buy them from the fascists, anybody know where I can get them online?

[Killfacer]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_position

Best i can do mate.

[Vendetta]

What the hell is the third position?

[Holden Caulfield]

What the hell is the third position?
a class collaborational form of economics, a third way between socialism and capitalism

[GPDP]

I find the concept of a "third way" ridiculous, to be honest. It's basically all about trying to transcend the untranscendable: class antagonisms.

IMO, it is nothing but the same old capitalism masquerading as something new.

[Holden Caulfield]

I find the concept of a "third way" ridiculous, to be honest
i dunno, i think it is opportunism at its best/worst,

it 'allows' them to suck up to the established order and also gain the support of the 'opressed classes'

[Melbourne Lefty]

Third way Ideology makes perfect sense if you believe the 'tribe' to be more important than class.

Its the best way to pull the tribe together across economic barriers.

[thejambo1]

i think holden has hit it on the head when he sees it as opportunism. it certainly is, it allows third positionists a chance to make headway with people that would have no truck with traditional far right organizations. it can appeal to people who are not sure about various ideologies, witness the "national anarchists":rolleyes:

[thejambo1]

double post, damned computer!!!

[Sand Castle]

Is Peronism and Justicialism Third Position?

[JimmyJazz]

Third way Ideology makes perfect sense if you believe the 'tribe' to be more important than class.

Its the best way to pull the tribe together across economic barriers.

Indeed. Here's a good discussion on the pros/cons of a third way:

http://www.***************/forum/showthread.php?t=502133

[zider]

en.wikipedia dot org/wiki/Third_Way_(UK)

another wiki link, with a few links to external sites.

[Melbourne Lefty]

i think holden has hit it on the head when he sees it as opportunism.


Sorry but I have to disagree, every true fascist movement in history has put third positionist economics at centre stage of EVERYTHING.

Even when the situation is not ripe for third positionism they still use it, even when it hurts them they would still use it.

To all effects and purposes, third positionism, the drawing together of the 'tribe' across class barriers to work together to create a better nation is the true heart of fascism.

Everything else is just right-populism or reactionary capitalist politics.

[Holden Caulfield]

To all effects and purposes, third positionism, the drawing together of the 'tribe' across class barriers to work together to create a better nation is the true heart of fascism.
no, it is to 'the drawing together of the tribe' in order to protect the class system which is at the true heart of fascism, at least historically, I would say '3rd way' economic system is the opportinist means of doing this, speaking from a theoretical level.

of course this, could be seen as being undermined by the nutzi bigots we get now adays who just want to establish some kind of carbon copy of Nazi Germany, because they are bitter repressed sexual deviants with paternal issues and a few Skrewdriver records

[Melbourne Lefty]

no, it is to 'the drawing together of the tribe' in order to protect the class system which is at the true heart of fascism,


true, but not from the fascist perspective. Certainly from the historical capitalist perspective.

[palotin]

Check out this article on the National Anarchists from Public Eye (the quarterly mag from Political Research Associates). http://www.publiceye.org/magazine/v23n4/rebranding_fascism.html
It's written by the anarchist Spencer Sunshine and does a decent job of explaining where Third Position ideology comes from. As regards the question of its relationship with neo-fascism, I'd say TP is just a sub-genre of that and not a very large one, at least not in the US.

[spartan]

True Fascism is a syncretic/Third Positionist ideology, hell it is probably the founder of Third Positionism as we know it today!

As original Fascism was nationalist, as opposed to racist, and in favour of public ownership, as opposed to the later compromise of class collaborationism and a mixed economy with lots of state regulation and intervention (all in the intrests of the country which they loved of course and the continued financial input of their rich backers scared of the Socialists), I would say that Third Positionism (i.e. classical Fascism) differs from modern day Neofascism in that it didn't have the whole racist baggage with it.

Third Positionism (i.e. Fascism) was originally a Socialist alternative (until it's later compromises) to Marxist inspired Internationalist Socialism which Italian Socialists like Mussolini despised due to it's anti-Nationalist beliefs (Mussolini being a good old Italian patriot).

Fascism of course wasn't to bothered about race during it's early years (until Mussolini was forced to adopt discrimnation laws by the Fuhrer who was bothered about race), indeed Mussolini had this to say on race in 1933:


Race! It is a feeling, not a reality: ninety-five percent, at least, is a feeling. Nothing will ever make me believe that biologically pure races can be shown to exist today. [...] National pride has no need of the delirium of race.

Therefore modern day Neofascism is original Third Positionist Fascism (and it's later class collaborationist compromises) plus the racist crap of the Nazis thrown in for good measure.

[Melbourne Lefty]

True Fascism is a syncretic/Third Positionist ideology, hell it is probably the founder of Third Positionism as we know it today!


The more I look at modern 'third position' political leaders [Blair, Obama, et all] the more certain similarities show themselves.

Is modern day 'beyond partisanship' politics a revived form of fascist economics?:confused::(



Therefore modern day Neofascism is original Third Positionist Fascism (and it's later class collaborationist compromises) plus the racist crap of the Nazis thrown in for good measure.


Take away the nazis racist crap and many modern political parties begin to look familiar.

[Holden Caulfield]

Take away the nazis racist crap and many modern political parties begin to look familiar.
erm yeah.... capitalist.

[Melbourne Lefty]

erm yeah.... capitalist.

Yup.

Got it in one.

The fascist outlook and the modern capitalist influenced political party outlook are really not that different.