Re-affirming my faith in my country - Let's get fuckin' mari

[American Kid]

So since the Iraq war I've been in a "funk" as far as my faith in my country goes. I feel like things are out of control, our gov isn't doing things in the best interest of it's people (the reigns, apparently, have come loose) and we only help countries wherein we have a monetary incentive.

The news yesterday that fuckin' Bush is finally considering sending our big bad Marines to help out with that shit-storm in Liberia is just what I needed to hear. Although it should've happened weeks ago when mothers were lobbing their children over the gates of the embassy like grenades, but still, better late than never.

Things have been weird lately. But now it may be a little easier to see that flag waving and not second-guess what I see.

-ak

(fuck Chuck Taylor)

[Felicia]

hmm, I heard that the US may send roughly 2,000 marines. My numbers could be off. But atleast it seems to be for the "right" reasons.

[Loknar]

We shouldnt go in. People will only see this as imperialism. Let the EU deal witrh it.

[pastradamus]

America have always seen themselves as a protector of liberia.But this goes beyond that,its to stop communism spreading across west africa.they'll eventually become involved in Ivory coast's civil war too.

[TXsocialist]

I think this is a move to somehow 'prove' to the world that the US will go to war, even when oil's not involved.

More than that, though, I think this is the beginning of a US campaign against Euro-capitalist holdings of cocoa production in Africa...

[American Kid]

I'm just happy that the people are going to be safer now.

Say what you will, but our Marines will fucking kill you.

-ak

[TXsocialist]

Good ole blind nationalism.

[canikickit]

I don't think any nation should interfere in another nation's business.

[dopediana]

well, liberia is fucked up. why? the us made it a haven for free slaves in the first place. america has a responsibility to care for its own colonies and liberians have expressed desire for us involvement. most other formerly imperialist countries have acknowledged the fact that they have some responsibility to care for old colonies, but america is amazingly selfish.

[Som]

But this goes beyond that,its to stop communism spreading across west africa.

Communism, west africa? Where?

[Liberty Lover]

Quote: from pastradamus on 2:28 am on July 4, 2003
.But this goes beyond that,its to stop communism spreading across west africa.they'll eventually become involved in Ivory coast's civil war too.


We’re really digging deep in search of sinister motives guiding America’s foreign policy now aren’t we comrades.

How about you losers just throw in the towel and recognise the United States as the benign power that it undoubtedly is.

[notyetacommie]

Benign? Does this word have a meaning "murderous"?

[Liberty Lover]

Quote: from notyetacommie on 9:40 am on July 4, 2003
Benign? Does this word have a meaning "murderous"?

Lame-

adj : pathetically lacking in force or effectiveness; "a feeble excuse"; "a lame argument"

[The Feral Underclass]

FUCK U.S NATIONALISM, FUCK U.S IMPERIALISM, FUCK GEORGE BUSH AND FUCK YOU!

What is the difference between a pot of yoghurt and the U.S.A?


If you leave a pot of yoghurt on its own, it will develop a culture!

What is the difference between George W. Bush's tie and a G-string?


A g-string covers up the entire asshole!

GET OUT OF IRAQ!

(Edited by Libertarian Commie at 11:13 am on July 4, 2003)

[Liberty Lover]

Quote: from Libertarian Commie on 10:11 am on July 4, 2003

GET OUT OF IRAQ!
(Edited by Libertarian Commie at 11:13 am on July 4, 2003)

Withdrawing coalition forces from Iraq right now would be exceedingly disadvantageous for the citizens of that country. The only way to prevent a catastrophic civil war if this were to happen would be the reestablishment of a totalitarian government not unlike the one that was just removed. You just have to look at the many groups who will be vying for power to realise this; The Kurdish Democratic Party; the Parotic Union of Kurdistan; Shiite fundamentalists; Shiite moderates; Sunni fundamentalists; Sunni moderates; Baathists; and a plethora of other groups. Consider also the ethnic tension in that country and the possibility of reprisals against the Sunni population by Kurds and Shiites.

(Edited by Liberty Lover at 10:29 am on July 4, 2003)

[notyetacommie]

Hey, Saddam was very convenient for the States, wasn't he?

Liberty Lover calling totalitarian government "the only way to prevent a catastrophic civil war"!!!!

Will the totalitarian government be as benign as the USA? Not hard to guess

[Liberty Lover]

You seem to have misunderstood my post. I meant that if coalition forces were withdraw from Iraq a civil war would transpire unless a totalitarian government came to power and prevented it through iron fisted rule and the establishment of a sort of Pax Romana. The best solution then is to keep the troops in Iraq until it is well on the road to democracy.

[notyetacommie]

You mean till the cows come home

[Liberty Lover]

I’d say it would more likely be til the resistance is wiped out. The terrain in Iraq is really not adequate for an organised guerrilla war like we saw in Vietnam so this should be achieved in the foreseeable future. I have a feeling that if troops were moved up to the Syrian and Iranian boarders, attacks against coalition forces would cease. But I’m sure the Defence Department and the fine generals of the US army have that idea on their minds.

[redstar2000]

I think this is a move to somehow 'prove' to the world that the US will go to war, even when oil's not involved.

Well maybe, maybe not.

A permanent U.S. base in Liberia would have certain "advantages" were it to "someday" prove "necessary" to seize control of the...er...um...oil fields in Nigeria and/or Angola

The U.S. as a "benign power"? :cheesy: :cheesy: :cheesy:

:cool:

U.S. GET OUT OF IRAQ!

[notyetacommie]

hehe... It seems like you specially pick out countries where guerrilla warfare is difficult to organize since you got your asses kicked by the Vietnamese:) How about Liberia? Does it have the terrain not adequate for an organised guerrilla war as well?

As Bush is still uncertain, I might suspect there is JUNGLE in Liberia and he doesn't really want to get his ass kicked.


Anyway, sorry for my flaming, but seriously, do you really think Iraq will be on the road to democracy once the resistance is suppressed? Your ideas of liberating by oppression are cute.

[CubanFox]

As far as I know the only communist state ever in Africa was the Congo (the Brazzaville one, not the DRC) and it ended, as far as I know, in '90.

Liberia is mostly rolling plains; though there are mountains around the northeast and some jungles (these jungles are home to a very rare elephant species and the pygmy hippo)

The Côté d'Ivoire, as the Ivory Coast is properly known (the government requested that it be known by its French name even when used in English a few years back...it means the same thing in French) has essentially the same terrain. Btw, if you're wondering, the adjective for Côté d'Ivoire is Ivorian.

But we're not talking Vietnam type jungle.

[notyetacommie]

Then it beats me why he is still in a doubt... :)

[Red Comrade]

Yes, the US going into Liberia is just to preserve American interests there. The Liberian government cannot be overthrown.

Maines will "fucking kill" who? They are a bunch of pussies with big guns and body armor. Atleast the "enemies" fight with their will, USMC fight with superior weapons and other cowardly assets.

[American Kid]

Good ole blind nationalism.

Good ole misinterperting my fucking post.

And as for Red Comrade (who the above applies to also, but anyway) all one has to do is check out the disturbingly dick-obsessed bullshit he's been posting over in Chit Chat for an accurate guage as to how seriously he's to be taken.

For totally seriously.
-ak

[guidry]

Will any of this affect the legality of having sex with goats? Because I'd hate this to impact my lifestyle...

--- bigbill

[Hampton]

Let them take care of Charles "the savage" Taylor

Yea, all Africans are savages.

(Edited by Hampton at 2:34 am on July 6, 2003)

[Umoja]

Umm... Doesn't the US have some responsibility over Liberia? I mean, I realize that many people look at the United States as completely morally bankrupt, but hey we set up the country and led to slavery black on black slavery so... Maybe we wish to make up for it....

Ever hopeful.

[Unrelenting Steve]

Does no one see the connection between Bush's tour of Africa and this recent commision of troops occuring so close together- Bush couldnt come into South Africa empty handed, Thambo wouldnt take him. And he needs a trip to Africa, just in time for the elections in 6 months; hes just trying to suck up to the black vote in America, thats all. Its not all that complicated, this seems like something just at Bush's level.

(Edited by Unrelenting Steve at 12:39 am on July 6, 2003)

[Unrelenting Steve]

I think thats a pretty probable conspiricy therory.

[Umoja]

Yes, he wants to get black voters back on the Republican side. So what? At least the Republicans aren't doing it because they need black votes. The Democrats try and get them because they need black votes. So whatever, jerk people around however you want Bush, your sending stuff slowly closer to Hell.

[pastradamus]

Quote: from Som on 5:39 am on July 4, 2003
But this goes beyond that,its to stop communism spreading across west africa.

Communism, west africa? Where?



Sorry for not explaining that one comrade.Supposed Left-wing guerilla's are in control of a fraction of land in Ivory-coast according to the news.Its supposed to be spreading rapidly,I presumed that the countrys neighbour Liberia was alot like Ivory coasts struggle.

[Rastafari]

just like he wants to get catholic voters on his side...
He is urging African leaders to stop distributing condoms and to start preaching abstinence instead. Jesus Fucking Christ, what an ideal world HE lives in

[Umoja]

The President of Uganda should've killed him for saying that.

[Iron Star]

that bible basher makes me sick!