Human labor and its value-Marxism

[Black Sheep]

A guy told me this:
Marx at one point, refers to human labor as something of a determined value, something constant.X amount of labor equals with Y amount of a product.

But if the wages spent by the capitalists to pay the laborers are affected by the workers' class struggle, then it is not something of strict value, but a result of a number of factors.

any views on this?

[Drace]

What do wages have to do with the value of labor?

[Black Sheep]

They reward the human labor (in a capitalist society)

[SEKT]

They reward the human labor (in a capitalist society)
Not at all!!!

here two links can help you:
http://www.marxists.org/glossary/terms/v/a.htm
http://www.marxists.org/glossary/terms/w/a.htm

[Dimentio]

The definition of Value for a marxist does'nt have the same meaning as the definition of value for a liberal.

[Black Sheep]

The definition of Value for a marxist does'nt have the same meaning as the definition of value for a liberal.


i m talking about the marxist definition.

[Black Sheep]

Not at all!!!

here two links can help you:
http://www.marxists.org/glossary/terms/v/a.htm
http://www.marxists.org/glossary/terms/w/a.htm look:

Now are the wages of the weaver a share of the cloth, of the 20 shillings, of the product of the work? By no means. Long before the cloth is sold, perhaps long before it is fully woven, the weaver has received his wages. The capitalist, then, does not pay his wages out of the money which he will obtain from the cloth, but out of money already on hand.....Wages, therefore, are not a share of the worker in the commodities produced by himself. Wages are that part of already existing commodities with which the capitalist buys a certain amount of productive labor-power.....

Those links confused me even more btw