Communist USA - Now you foriegners can go shut the fuck up!!

[black sheep.]

American forces stretching from Washington State to Maine and from California to Texas. 100 million or more men ready to die to defend thier homeland. Myself, Mr. Sheep as leader. We got $12 an hour minimum wage. We got the best schools, farms, and industry in the world. We are not crying about the American Indians, slavery or Jim Crow. Yes, that was bad. But that was our fucking problem. What about the holocaust, the Spanish Inquistion and all that? Now we are a nation ready to push forward into the future. A place in which the times can only get better!! We got hamburgers, pizza, rock and roll, and the best scenery and people in the world.

Happy 4th of July!!!

Black Sheep

[Hegemonicretribution]

Quote: from black sheep on 10:29 pm on June 23, 2003
and the best scenery and people in the world.

Happy 4th of July!!!

Black Sheep

I thought America WAS the world;)

[black sheep.]

Quote: from hegemonicretrobution on 10:55 pm on June 23, 2003

Quote: from black sheep on 10:29 pm on June 23, 2003
and the best scenery and people in the world.

Happy 4th of July!!!

Black Sheep

I thought America WAS the world;)

America is not the world. America is a nation located on the North American continent between Canada and Mexico. It has a different culture than the rest of the world. If other nations choose to adopt our culture then that's thier problem. The Communist USA has no guilt trips.

[Anonymous]

Gotta love that good ol' communist nationalism.

[commie kg]

This post confuses me much. :confused:

[Vinny Rafarino]

It's a nice fantasy Mr. Sheep. Thow in some broads and some good drugs and I'm with you. However I don't think that you will have the economic knowledge to carry out your plan. Therefore you will have to be executed.

Isn't fantasy fun kiddies?

[Zombie]

America is not the world.

you have no idea how much i laughed after reading this.

[Guardia Bolivariano]

Quote: from black sheep on 11:01 pm on June 23, 2003
If other nations choose to adopt our culture then that's thier problem.

Adopt?

Don't you mean IMPOSE?

[black sheep.]

Quote: from Guardia Bolivariano on 1:10 am on June 24, 2003

Quote: from black sheep on 11:01 pm on June 23, 2003
If other nations choose to adopt our culture then that's thier problem.

Adopt?

Don't you mean IMPOSE? I'm describing the world after the American Communist Revolution. America will have no guilt trips after the war. Every nation will be responsible for thier own actions. There will be no American armies pushing American culture on other peoples. However, if people find they like french fries and hamburgers then thier welcome build a few American restaurants in thier native lands.

[black sheep.]

Quote: from COMRADE RAF on 12:49 am on June 24, 2003
It's a nice fantasy Mr. Sheep. Thow in some broads and some good drugs and I'm with you. However I don't think that you will have the economic knowledge to carry out your plan. Therefore you will have to be executed.

Isn't fantasy fun kiddies?

I will appoint another person to do the economic planning. I will be in charge of foreign policy.

[commie kg]

Oh, so this is an egotistical dictatorship fantasy! Now I get it, I've had those, too.

Comrade RAF, I laughed my ass off after reading your post, that was great.

[Sabocat]

Quote: from black sheep on 5:29 pm on June 23, 2003
American forces stretching from Washington State to Maine and from California to Texas. 100 million or more men ready to die to defend thier homeland. Myself, Mr. Sheep as leader. We got $12 an hour minimum wage. We got the best schools, farms, and industry in the world. We are not crying about the American Indians, slavery or Jim Crow. Yes, that was bad. But that was our fucking problem. What about the holocaust, the Spanish Inquistion and all that? Now we are a nation ready to push forward into the future. A place in which the times can only get better!! We got hamburgers, pizza, rock and roll, and the best scenery and people in the world.

Happy 4th of July!!!

Black Sheep



Best scenery and people in the world? I guess you haven't travelled much. Almost everyplace I've been to out of the U$ has better scenery and nicer, warmer, friendlier people. You know what else? I'm not dying for this shithole...you can have it.

[kelvin]

Just curious? Is the membership growing? Is there a May Day in the USA?

[black sheep.]

Quote: from Disgustapated on 11:32 am on June 24, 2003

Quote: from black sheep on 5:29 pm on June 23, 2003
American forces stretching from Washington State to Maine and from California to Texas. 100 million or more men ready to die to defend thier homeland. Myself, Mr. Sheep as leader. We got $12 an hour minimum wage. We got the best schools, farms, and industry in the world. We are not crying about the American Indians, slavery or Jim Crow. Yes, that was bad. But that was our fucking problem. What about the holocaust, the Spanish Inquistion and all that? Now we are a nation ready to push forward into the future. A place in which the times can only get better!! We got hamburgers, pizza, rock and roll, and the best scenery and people in the world.

Happy 4th of July!!!

Black Sheep



Best scenery and people in the world? I guess you haven't travelled much. Almost everyplace I've been to out of the U$ has better scenery and nicer, warmer, friendlier people. You know what else? I'm not dying for this shithole...you can have it.


I live in the Appalachian Mountians of the Eastern United States. I don't like flat land unless there is a beach nearby. I recently traveled through Ohio and Michigan. It did'nt impress me much. I have traveled overseas. I traveled to the Phillippines and South Korea. Both places had mountains. The people in the Phillippines were extremely friendly. South Koreans were not as friendly because of the growning anti-foriegner seniment there. However, they try to be friendly when possible. Generally, American people are not friendly because of the "American Culture".
In order to understand Americans you have to understand American youth. Why do you think there are so many school shootings in American high schools?

American youth respect money, fame, good looks, nice clothes, physical strength, attitude, and rebelliousness.
In other words, they want to be impressed with your looks and attitude. What if you are a nerd or a bum? Then nobody likes you! Another reason many people may hate Americans is because they have visited some northern cities. People in the northern United States are not the same as southerners. They speak their mind. This is interpreted as rudeness by many people.
For example,
crowds of New Yorkers are not going to be liked in a Confucist society like South Korea. They are going to be seen as loud mouthed barbarians. Plus Americans are alot bigger than Koreans. This intimidates them. They are constantly afraid of
foriegners raping their women.

America is a shithole? Your opinion is understandable.
However, it's my shithole and I'm going to defend it. (That's assuming there is a Communist takeover)
I need to ask a question. If you hate America (the people and land) then why are here?

[lostsoul]

Quote: from black sheep on 5:20 am on June 27, 2003

Quote: from Disgustapated on 11:32 am on June 24, 2003

Quote: from black sheep on 5:29 pm on June 23, 2003
American forces stretching from Washington State to Maine and from California to Texas. 100 million or more men ready to die to defend thier homeland. Myself, Mr. Sheep as leader. We got $12 an hour minimum wage. We got the best schools, farms, and industry in the world. We are not crying about the American Indians, slavery or Jim Crow. Yes, that was bad. But that was our fucking problem. What about the holocaust, the Spanish Inquistion and all that? Now we are a nation ready to push forward into the future. A place in which the times can only get better!! We got hamburgers, pizza, rock and roll, and the best scenery and people in the world.

Happy 4th of July!!!

Black Sheep



Best scenery and people in the world? I guess you haven't travelled much. Almost everyplace I've been to out of the U$ has better scenery and nicer, warmer, friendlier people. You know what else? I'm not dying for this shithole...you can have it.


I live in the Appalachian Mountians of the Eastern United States. I don't like flat land unless there is a beach nearby. I recently traveled through Ohio and Michigan. It did'nt impress me much. I have traveled overseas. I traveled to the Phillippines and South Korea. Both places had mountains. The people in the Phillippines were extremely friendly. South Koreans were not as friendly because of the growning anti-foriegner seniment there. However, they try to be friendly when possible. Generally, American people are not friendly because of the "American Culture".
In order to understand Americans you have to understand American youth. Why do you think there are so many school shootings in American high schools?

American youth respect money, fame, good looks, nice clothes, physical strength, attitude, and rebelliousness.
In other words, they want to be impressed with your looks and attitude. What if you are a nerd or a bum? Then nobody likes you! Another reason many people may hate Americans is because they have visited some northern cities. People in the northern United States are not the same as southerners. They speak their mind. This is interpreted as rudeness by many people.
For example,
crowds of New Yorkers are not going to be liked in a Confucist society like South Korea. They are going to be seen as loud mouthed barbarians. Plus Americans are alot bigger than Koreans. This intimidates them. They are constantly afraid of
foriegners raping their women.

America is a shithole? Your opinion is understandable.
However, it's my shithole and I'm going to defend it. (That's assuming there is a Communist takeover)
I need to ask a question. If you hate America (the people and land) then why are here?

i don't think most people hate americians themselfs, cause in the end their human being just like everyone else on this planet(if you are thinking Americians are some how better or worst then the rest of the world, then your seriously retarded).

People around the world get pissed when America sticks their nose into their business. Doesn't every nation have the right to decide its own course? Who gave America the right?

The way Americian people say they love freedom, what makes them think other countries won't like it either? Freedom to choose your own path.


Take care.

(Edited by lostsoul at 5:36 am on June 27, 2003)

[Zombie]

Nothing can beat the Meditteranean hospitality.

[black sheep.]

Quote: from kelvin on 3:00 am on June 27, 2003
Just curious? Is the membership growing? Is there a May Day in the USA?
I don't know if the CPUSA's membership is growing. I know there is alot of growing opposition to Bush. However, this opposition is split into different groups. Is there a May Day in the USA? Yes, there is. I have never celebrated one. However, I have only recently became a Communist. The only communication that I get with other Communists is thru the internet. Considering where I am from (American flags flying everywhere and patriotic bumper stickers on every car) I don't think I'm going to meet any Communists around here.

[SlimJin]

Since the beginning of this campaign in Iraq Bush has gained many more enemies around the world, but in AMerica he is only getting more support, except for recently recently since we are seeing his plan of execution being not very effective!

Belive me, I am no supporter of Bush, just an honest informer!

[black sheep.]

Quote: from SlimJin on 6:28 am on June 27, 2003
Since the beginning of this campaign in Iraq Bush has gained many more enemies around the world, but in AMerica he is only getting more support, except for recently recently since we are seeing his plan of execution being not very effective!

Belive me, I am no supporter of Bush, just an honest informer!

People are asking "Where are the weapons of mass destruction?" The die hard Fox News fans are making excuses for the war. However, many moderate supporters of the war are starting to question thier choice. The opponents of the war are getting even stronger. Who are these Fox News fans? Do they represent the majority of Americans? How many people really support Bush? How many people recognize capitalism as the motive for the war? How many people are willing to reject capitalism? I know there are no American flags and bumper stickers in the inner city ghettoes and trailer parks. Nobody in prison is supporting Bush and the war. Bush's war is'nt going to help any Mexican farmworkers. There are many poor white folks who don't support Bush. They don't have anything to gain from Bush's policies. Of course Bush will try to get the support of these people. He will tell them that "Arabs" are the enemy. Just like the Vietnamese and Koreans were the enemy in previous wars. Who is the real enemy? Capitalism

[Sabocat]

Quote: from black sheep on 12:20 am on June 27, 2003

Quote: from Disgustapated on 11:32 am on June 24, 2003

Quote: from black sheep on 5:29 pm on June 23, 2003
American forces stretching from Washington State to Maine and from California to Texas. 100 million or more men ready to die to defend thier homeland. Myself, Mr. Sheep as leader. We got $12 an hour minimum wage. We got the best schools, farms, and industry in the world. We are not crying about the American Indians, slavery or Jim Crow. Yes, that was bad. But that was our fucking problem. What about the holocaust, the Spanish Inquistion and all that? Now we are a nation ready to push forward into the future. A place in which the times can only get better!! We got hamburgers, pizza, rock and roll, and the best scenery and people in the world.

Happy 4th of July!!!

Black Sheep



Best scenery and people in the world? I guess you haven't travelled much. Almost everyplace I've been to out of the U$ has better scenery and nicer, warmer, friendlier people. You know what else? I'm not dying for this shithole...you can have it.


I live in the Appalachian Mountians of the Eastern United States. I don't like flat land unless there is a beach nearby. I recently traveled through Ohio and Michigan. It did'nt impress me much. I have traveled overseas. I traveled to the Phillippines and South Korea. Both places had mountains. The people in the Phillippines were extremely friendly. South Koreans were not as friendly because of the growning anti-foriegner seniment there. However, they try to be friendly when possible. Generally, American people are not friendly because of the "American Culture".
In order to understand Americans you have to understand American youth. Why do you think there are so many school shootings in American high schools?

American youth respect money, fame, good looks, nice clothes, physical strength, attitude, and rebelliousness.
In other words, they want to be impressed with your looks and attitude. What if you are a nerd or a bum? Then nobody likes you! Another reason many people may hate Americans is because they have visited some northern cities. People in the northern United States are not the same as southerners. They speak their mind. This is interpreted as rudeness by many people.
For example,
crowds of New Yorkers are not going to be liked in a Confucist society like South Korea. They are going to be seen as loud mouthed barbarians. Plus Americans are alot bigger than Koreans. This intimidates them. They are constantly afraid of
foriegners raping their women.

America is a shithole? Your opinion is understandable.
However, it's my shithole and I'm going to defend it. (That's assuming there is a Communist takeover)
I need to ask a question. If you hate America (the people and land) then why are here?



I'm here cause I was born, work, and live here. I plan on leaving as soon as I've squirreled enough money away to take off on my sailboat.

I've seen every state in the country on 4 week camping motorcycle trip. There is some truly beautiful land, is it the best scenery? absolutely not. What pisses my off about the U$, is it's total lack of a defining culture. It seems that our culture now revolves aroung what popular TV show is on, how those characters are dressing etc. I like to refer to it as the MTV culture. Don't believe me? Look around. Listen to people talk, listen to what they are talking about.

I actually never said "I hated" the people. I merely said, that in every place I have travelled, I found people much more friendly, much more centered around their local community and families, with their own identity and culture. Not a culture determined by a marketing campaign on Madison Ave.

Btw...the Appalacians are one the prettiest spots in the country next to the Rocky Mountains. Some fabulous motorcycling through there :cheesy: It was one of my favorite sections of the country.

And I maintain....I'm not dying so the the Industrial Military Complex and all the other WTO corporations came make more money. No thanks.

[Nobody]

Mr. Black Sheep I don't think you understand Communism. $12 minium wage? Does that mean some people make more? Not communism. You as leader? There is no leader in a true communist society. And what do you mean by 100 million men ready to die? Is that the size of the standing army, because that size army really goes against communism. While I admire your spirit, not much which you said really belongs in a communist society (Expect for best schools, industry and farms, but dont let redstar hear about the school part : ) )

[Loknar]

Trotsky

Militia men would be useing arms. I believe he was refering to the ammount of guns in America (though I am unsure if there are 100 million). Anyway, people in American in general dont like Communism, so it would never work. People in America wont stand by and allow Communism to take over.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Loknar, I think you are confusing true Communism with marxism-leninism.

Communism happens through >popular< revolution, when almost everyone finds their class conciousness(sp?) and decides not to take any more shit from the system, and destroy it rather than electing a new boss.

Leninism happens when an elite 'in the the know' group decides to lead a bunch of ignorants to violently replace the old boss with a new one that happen to be red coloured.

[black sheep.]

Quote: from Loknar on 2:25 am on June 28, 2003
Trotsky

Militia men would be useing arms. I believe he was refering to the ammount of guns in America (though I am unsure if there are 100 million). Anyway, people in American in general dont like Communism, so it would never work. People in America wont stand by and allow Communism to take over.
Who are people in America? Fox News Fans?
Fox News Fans are white middle/upper class Americans.
They are rapidly becoming a minority. They are the main supporters of American capitalism. It is not in thier best interests to support socialism. They are doing fine under capitalism. Yes, it is true when far right wing groups say that Communists want to destroy the white race. They are right on the money. The white race is who benefits from capitalism. It is white race who are the defenders of American capitalism. They want to keep the world's money and resources flowing into thier pocketbooks. They don't care who they fuck. They have fucked the third world and non-white Americans all thru this century. Trotsky, you fail to realize that many Americans are poor. These people (most of whom are non-white) could become Communist supporters. Now, don't get me wrong. I'm white. I am not racist against white people. However, I feel that most white Americans don't care about third world poverty. Many fail to realize that the United States is to blame for third world poverty. They don't want a Communist takeover because they don't want to share thier wealth with non-whites. A standard of living increase of the third world and non-white Americans will lead to the decrease of the whites. In other words, white Americans will have no more cars, swimming pools, nice homes, racially segregated suburban living areas, Wal-Mart. In other words, the American dream will be over. Why? Because someone will have to go. You can't have the "American Lifestyle" and a pro-third world/ non-white government. It's impossible. So in a sense, I can understand the paranoia of the racist peckerwood. His lifestyle will be gone. He will have to live in government apartments with blacks and latinos. It's all a matter of greed. The American white does not want to give up his status. He wants to keep his wealth. He only wants non-whites to pick his vegtables in California.
Of course, Republicans are know supporting EOC (Equal Opportunity Capitalism). In other words, they are saying anyone (regradless of race) can live the American Dream. Yeah rght! The majority of non-whites in the USA are poor. They will continue to stay poor well into this century. Does anyone disagree?
I don't believe that white Americans can keep thier standard of living under a pro-third world US government. Does anyone disagree? Who will be the losers of the Communist USA? Certainly, the top 1 percent will lose. There will be no more millionares.
However, I think that the average middle class American will lose big time.

About the guns? Well, the Socialist USA won't need a large army unless there is a threat. I know that China and the former Soviet Union had large armies.

[TXsocialist]

Lotsa reverse nationalism on America I see. Hating America for the sake of hating it is as bad as blindly following it.

I love my country, but I am also an internationalist.

And Black Sheep...erm...this all seems to me like a big utopian wet dream :)

Aside from outbursts of class antagonisms from the US's most opressed peoples, the revolution will most likely come from the risin up of proletarians in the 3rd world, then will come the US revolution.

[Loknar]

black sheep


The majority of non-whites are poor? That is a heavy charge, please show me some info on that. Because I am sick an tired of hearing about the poor opressed minotities. if anything white people are more opressed now more so than ever, And if you are a minority and hate America then leave.

In any case now that you and Jesse Jackson are done talking I will. The republicans are growing stronger by the day, the democrats are not even united enough to win a presidential election. And the majority of people in this country white, so naturally there will be more rich white guys. So Capitalism is strong, and most of the country is made up of white middle class males. There's have to be one hell of a population boom in the minority community for something to happen. And aside from that most minorities like capitalism.

[Hampton]

if anything white people are more opressed now more so than ever, And if you are a minority and hate America then leave

You're pathetic. Maybe "non whites" wouldn't be so poor if we didn't get pay less FOR THE SAME JOB.

[Sandanista]

U know what they say, a nation born of fire, dies in fire.

This applies to USA Cuba China etc

[TXsocialist]

And what, a nation born or wanker "reformers" dies by wanker reformers? riiiight.

[Hampton]

Here's some numbers for Locknar:

[list]
38% of blacks lived in extreme poverty or ghetto areas, not a majority by any means right?
It also should be noted that "Nearly two-thirds of all Americans and more than 90 percent of African Americans will experience at least one year of living below the poverty line during their lifetime,"
An average American, now age 20, has about a 60 percent chance of spending at least one year living in poverty at some point in the future
For African Americans nearly 50 percent will experience a year of poverty before age 25; more than 60 percent by age 35; nearly 85 percent by age 65; and a whopping 91 percent will have spent a year in poverty by age 75.
[list]

You might want to look at this (http://www.childrensdefense.org/data.php), if you're to lazy to click the link and look at at some pdfs I'll post a few of the numbers:

[list]
More than 932,000 blacks under age 18 are in that category, a 50 percent increase from the 622,000 classified that way in 1999, according to a Children's Defense Fund analysis of Census Bureau data.
More than 8 percent of all black children lived in extremely poor conditions in 2001, double the percentage for all races, according to the study.
[list]

Sources: http://csf.colorado.edu/mail/homeless/apr99/0037.html
http://www.childrensdefense.org/data.php
http://www.dfw.com/mld/dfw/news/nation/5759557.htm
http://www.poverty.smartlibrary.org/NewInt...fm?segment=2087 (http://www.poverty.smartlibrary.org/NewInterface/segment.cfm?segment=2087)

[Loknar]

Hampton


Thanks. However there is a reason why they live in those conditions. It has mostly to do with social problems in my opinion.

What about the Hispanic community?

[Hampton]

Do your own research.

[Loknar]

Well hell I thought I'd ask you since you seem to know who is 'opressed'.

[Hampton]

Instead, tell me how white people are more opressed now more so than ever.

[black sheep.]

Quote: from Loknar on 5:58 pm on July 1, 2003
black sheep


The majority of non-whites are poor? That is a heavy charge, please show me some info on that. Because I am sick an tired of hearing about the poor opressed minotities. if anything white people are more opressed now more so than ever, And if you are a minority and hate America then leave.

In any case now that you and Jesse Jackson are done talking I will. The republicans are growing stronger by the day, the democrats are not even united enough to win a presidential election. And the majority of people in this country white, so naturally there will be more rich white guys. So Capitalism is strong, and most of the country is made up of white middle class males. There's have to be one hell of a population boom in the minority community for something to happen. And aside from that most minorities like capitalism.
The poor oppressed minorities don't hate america. They just want a different system. A system that improves thier social and economic status. Middle class White Americans are not victims in any way. They are just scared of losing thier status. They want to retain thier white cultural identity and money. Poorer white americans don't have any money to lose.

However, capitalists have brainwashed them with racist doctrines. Therefore, they seek to retain thier "white" culture. Racism is a common tool used by capitalists to control the working class. It is used to keep the poor whites from recognizing their real enemy (the system of capitalism).

Are blacks whiny as you say? Black people must understand that the "Great Society" and "New Deal" have failed. You can't have a half socialist and capitalist government. That is what the United States has now. We must replace our free enterprise system with Cuban style socialism. Otherwise, we will simply have a nation with millions of welfare recipients. So I think blacks don't recognize the real problem. They want to have capitalism and socialism. That is what the Democratic party promises. However, the real solution is to get rid of the failed system of capitalism. Capitalism does not help all of the people. It only benefits some of the people. It is a cruel Darwinist "survival of the fittest" system. It is not based on loving your fellow man.

Txsocialist said that a third world revolution must happen before an American communist revolution. He is probably right. Yes, as Loknar pointed out, there is still a large proportion of white middle class people. However, when they lose thier third world markets they will fold thier cards. The "American Dream" is only possible with third world exploitation. Once the third world is lost then prices will go up. Then capitalism will really suck even for middle class WASPS! Then socialism will be the only alternative.

[black sheep.]

I would like to add these thoughts. Black people have been the victims of the American pop culture. They see all these rich black entertainers on TV. They dream that one day they will be rich and famous. However, most of them don't become rich and famous. Therefore, popular entertainment acts as an "opium of the people".
Black people should be focused on ending the capitalist system not on being an NBA star or Snoop Dogg.

[Loknar]

Quote: from Hampton on 5:18 am on July 2, 2003
Instead, tell me how white people are more opressed now more so than ever.


Simple, affirmative action.

[Loknar]

Quote: from black sheep on 2:59 pm on July 2, 2003

Quote: from Loknar on 5:58 pm on July 1, 2003
black sheep


The majority of non-whites are poor? That is a heavy charge, please show me some info on that. Because I am sick an tired of hearing about the poor opressed minotities. if anything white people are more opressed now more so than ever, And if you are a minority and hate America then leave.

In any case now that you and Jesse Jackson are done talking I will. The republicans are growing stronger by the day, the democrats are not even united enough to win a presidential election. And the majority of people in this country white, so naturally there will be more rich white guys. So Capitalism is strong, and most of the country is made up of white middle class males. There's have to be one hell of a population boom in the minority community for something to happen. And aside from that most minorities like capitalism.
The poor oppressed minorities don't hate america. They just want a different system. A system that improves thier social and economic status. Middle class White Americans are not victims in any way. They are just scared of losing thier status. They want to retain thier white cultural identity and money. Poorer white americans don't have any money to lose.

However, capitalists have brainwashed them with racist doctrines. Therefore, they seek to retain thier "white" culture. Racism is a common tool used by capitalists to control the working class. It is used to keep the poor whites from recognizing their real enemy (the system of capitalism).

Are blacks whiny as you say? Black people must understand that the "Great Society" and "New Deal" have failed. You can't have a half socialist and capitalist government. That is what the United States has now. We must replace our free enterprise system with Cuban style socialism. Otherwise, we will simply have a nation with millions of welfare recipients. So I think blacks don't recognize the real problem. They want to have capitalism and socialism. That is what the Democratic party promises. However, the real solution is to get rid of the failed system of capitalism. Capitalism does not help all of the people. It only benefits some of the people. It is a cruel Darwinist "survival of the fittest" system. It is not based on loving your fellow man.

Txsocialist said that a third world revolution must happen before an American communist revolution. He is probably right. Yes, as Loknar pointed out, there is still a large proportion of white middle class people. However, when they lose thier third world markets they will fold thier cards. The "American Dream" is only possible with third world exploitation. Once the third world is lost then prices will go up. Then capitalism will really suck even for middle class WASPS! Then socialism will be the only alternative.


First off I must apologize, I am sorry for sounding like such an asshole. When I come to post here I just expect to be insulted so it rubs off on me at times.

Anyway to address your comments.

You can have both Socialism and Capitalism in my opinion. It worked in Communist Russia and to some extent it works here in America. There is no such thing as a %100 Free-Market or %100 Controlled market system.

I think white people will fold their cards as you say eventually. But I think over time white people will change it back. Right now though it doesn’t look like things will change much. The Republicans are very popular now-though they are compromising on allot recently and I am disappointed, the less government the better-and the Democrats seem to be becoming disunited.

[Hampton]

So let me get this straight: You're comparing not getting into your first choice of a college to 38% of blacks living in extreme poverty, 1 million blacks in prison, Ousmane Zongo, Diallo, redlining, gentrification, racist drug laws, police brutality, and what happened in Tulia Texas?

And if the Supreme Court takes away the right to allow more points because of someone's race, why do they still allow points if you are the son/daughter of an alumni? But I suppose you have no problem with that.

http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=11192

[Vinny Rafarino]

Oi Loknar...Say it loud....I'm black and I'm proud.

How exactly as a white male in the USA could you possibly have any problem with affirmative action. Get with the programme mate. Blacks still can't get a fair shake in this country. The problem is not with affirmative action, the problem is with white America.

I can't wait to see your response to comrade hampton's question.

[Loknar]

Quote: from Hampton on 9:19 pm on July 2, 2003
So let me get this straight: You're comparing not getting into your first choice of a college to 38% of blacks living in extreme poverty, 1 million blacks in prison, Ousmane Zongo, Diallo, redlining, gentrification, racist drug laws, police brutality, and what happened in Tulia Texas?


Didn’t Martin Luther advocate acceptance according to someone’s abilities and not their race?

And what police brutality in Texas? Some moron gets his ass kicked for doing something stupid? Big deal! And if 1 million black people are in jail then it is their own fault. Are we not responsible for our own actions?


And if the Supreme Court takes away the right to allow more points because of someone's race, why do they still allow points if you are the son/daughter of an alumni? But I suppose you have no problem with that.

No I do have a problem with that. People should be accepted on their own merit not their parents and not because of race.

[Anonymous]

Stop with the social engineering bullshit. If people want to be racist that's their business. If I don't want to hire someone because their black, asian, queer, etc. then I shouldn't fucking have too! Fuck 'social justice'.

[Anonymous]

Quote: from black sheep on 3:19 pm on July 2, 2003
I would like to add these thoughts. Black people have been the victims of the American pop culture. They see all these rich black entertainers on TV. They dream that one day they will be rich and famous. However, most of them don't become rich and famous. Therefore, popular entertainment acts as an "opium of the people".
Black people should be focused on ending the capitalist system not on being an NBA star or Snoop Dogg.


Hey, they're the ones responsible for creating that degenerate filth. Now they can wallow in it.

[Moskitto]

I believe in a case by case affermative action system, such as where 80 white people and 20 black people apply for 10 places, assuming individuals are fairly equally qualified, 8 of the jobs should go to white people and 2 should go to black people. A blanket affermitive action system is too simplist and doesn't take into account different ethnic populations in different regions and job/college application. Companies should be advised to run their own equal oppertunities policies and if these are found to be breached then affermitive action should be imposed.

[Unrelenting Steve]

"The majority of non-whites are poor? That is a heavy charge, please show me some info on that. Because I am sick an tired of hearing about the poor opressed minotities. if anything white people are more opressed now more so than ever, And if you are a minority and hate America then leave. "

I just love that last sentence, if only they had crashed a plane into the Statue of Liberty, then they could rewrite the corresponding bit and replace it with, and I quote; "And if you are a minority and hate America then leave".

[Hampton]

15 percent (39 people) of a towns African American population are arrested and put in jail on the testimony of one cop, not to mention the whites that were arrested were involved interracial relationships, but I guess they are responsible for their own actions, in this case, being black and not selling or having drugs. That's Tulia.

(Edited by Hampton at 6:20 pm on July 3, 2003)

[Vinny Rafarino]

Quote: from Moskitto on 10:43 pm on July 2, 2003
I believe in a case by case affermative action system, such as where 80 white people and 20 black people apply for 10 places, assuming individuals are fairly equally qualified, 8 of the jobs should go to white people and 2 should go to black people. A blanket affermitive action system is too simplist and doesn't take into account different ethnic populations in different regions and job/college application. Companies should be advised to run their own equal oppertunities policies and if these are found to be breached then affermitive action should be imposed.


What percentile based programmes will not account for is skill. Lets now use the same numbers from your posts and add skill levels.

Lets say that those 20 black people are more qualified for the position than 70 of the white appliicants. Would you still use a percentile based hiring system? No indeed. Affirmative action is not meant to be a "cure all". It is simply there to increase awareness to the fact that Whitey-USA would rather hire NONE of the black applicants regardless of skill level. It's a shame that companies run by grown adults need "punishment" standards to get them to act as responsible humans.

Affirmative action is in place because there is a PROBLEM in the corporate world with racism. It's not fucking nuclear physics here lads, you would have to be quite dim to not see the facts. Or perhaps similar in intellect to DC.

[Sabocat]

Quote: from Dark Capitalist on 5:39 pm on July 2, 2003
Stop with the social engineering bullshit. If people want to be racist that's their business. If I don't want to hire someone because their black, asian, queer, etc. then I shouldn't fucking have too! Fuck 'social justice'.



And as such you are declaring yourself a racist. This statement of yours of course is the reason that affirmative action needs to exist. If every cracker like you had the ability to do the hiring, nobody but white males would be able to get jobs. Hey, why not keep the minorities out of the voting place too? And lets keep em off the public transportation. I mean if you were the driver and you didn't want to pick them up, then why should you have too? You ignorant little fuck.

I love your theories while you sit at home, living with your parents in your sheltered little world. Are you even old enough to vote? Do you have a real job? Do you support a family or a household?

Affirmative action exists because of people like you. Look around. If you had a job, when you go there, how many minorities do you see working there? In private schools how many minorities do you see there? Do a quick Google search at how many minority or woman CEO's you see? I'm sure racism and sexism has nothing to do with it right?

[Loknar]

Disgustapated

You're yet to tell Dark Capitolist why he is wrong.... You merely state an opinion. WHo the fuck are you to tell me I couldnt be a racist?

[Hampton]

Who are you to say he can't?

[Sabocat]

Quote: from Loknar on 4:47 pm on July 3, 2003
Disgustapated

You're yet to tell Dark Capitolist why he is wrong.... You merely state an opinion. WHo the fuck are you to tell me I couldnt be a racist?


I'm sorry to inform you that if you think it's your god given right not to hire "blacks, asians and queers" there's a very good chance you're a racist.

He has proven my point and even you should be able to see it. This sentiment is exactly why there needs to be affirmative action.

Affirmative action tries to alleviate workplace racism, thus allowing everyone of color an equal shot at decent employment regardless of how the hiring employer feels about it.

What is your basis that there doesn't need to be affirmative action? That there is no such thing as racism? If you are admitting that there is indeed racism, then you are saying that it's okay to discriminate against someone for their color, sex, religion etc. If indeed that's your opinion, then you should be banned from this board. Being a dispicable capitalist (even though I'm sure that you live at home, probably don't work, probably don't vote yet, basically a non contributing member of society) is one thing. Being a filthy racist is something else altogether.

I don't care if a few white people don't get accepted into the first school of their choice, or the first job of their choice. There are unlimited possibilties for them. The same cannot be said for minorities.

To quote a Bob Marley song,..."Until the color of a man's skin, is of no more signifigance than the color of his eyes, then there'll be war."

[Loknar]

Discrimination in the work place is one thing ., but if someone wants to be a racist who am I to stop them?

And if you want to throw affirmative action into this then maybe black business should hire at least 1 white employee.

[black sheep.]

Quote: from Dark Capitalist on 10:39 pm on July 2, 2003
Stop with the social engineering bullshit. If people want to be racist that's their business. If I don't want to hire someone because their black, asian, queer, etc. then I shouldn't fucking have too! Fuck 'social justice'.

Don't get me wrong. I'm against affirmative action too.
The Democratic Party wants social justice in a capitalist system. It will never work. Why? Because capitalism is designed to promote inequality. People attempting to get social justice in a capitalist system are wasting thier time. Affirmative action will not be needed in a socialist nation. Sir, you have the right to not hire people based on thier race. You can do whatever you want. However, the government run industries will not be racist. If you don't like the Socialist USA then your welcome to leave and form your own nation. You leave us alone and we'll leave you alone.

[black sheep.]

Quote: from Loknar on 12:32 am on July 4, 2003
Discrimination in the work place is one thing ., but if someone wants to be a racist who am I to stop them?

And if you want to throw affirmative action into this then maybe black business should hire at least 1 white employee.
Loknar, I agree totally with you. Why in the heck would a person want to work for a racist anyways?
You can't change people. If someone does'nt like you then they don't like you. People who are racist have a disease. So I say "let them stay in islolation". I don't care what they do. Just like I don't care if people in an insane asylum are claiming to be Napoleon. They can hire whoever they want to. However, I'm not doing business with them. Also, they better stay very far away from my property.

The best way to deal with racists is to ignore them. I'm on no moral crusade to convert Dark Capitalist to "Politcal Correctness". If he needs moral instruction then he can study philosophy or religion.

My goal is to change the economic system. I cannot change individuals. If individuals choose to rebel against my government then they two choices.

1. They can leave.

2. They can shut up and keep thier personal views to themself. . If they choose to have a private business and don't hire non-whites then it's thier right. However, if they try to preach racist doctrines then it will be considered harrassment.

I cannot have Jim Crow and Socialism.
Government run industries will not be racist. The philosophy of the socialist government is to bring social justice and economic equality. Threrefore, supporters of inequality will recieve an inferior position in the socialist nation. Hey, everybody can't win! Someone has to lose.

Also, I would like to add that I admire Dark Capitalist.
He believes in social inequality. He's not playing games.
He's not a democrat. The democrats are saying they want social justice within the capitalist system. What a bunch of crap!!! At least Dark Capitalist realizes that you can't have social equality in an economic system based on inequality. So he's saying he's for straight out fascism. At least he's honest. He is for inequality. He does not value equality and social justice. His views are based on the works of Fredrich Nietzche. Nietzche was against equality and social justice. He viewed those ideas as "bad". Well, that was his right. And my right is to fight for social justice and equality.

[black sheep.]

Quote: from Dark Capitalist on 10:42 pm on July 2, 2003

Quote: from black sheep on 3:19 pm on July 2, 2003
I would like to add these thoughts. Black people have been the victims of the American pop culture. They see all these rich black entertainers on TV. They dream that one day they will be rich and famous. However, most of them don't become rich and famous. Therefore, popular entertainment acts as an "opium of the people".
Black people should be focused on ending the capitalist system not on being an NBA star or Snoop Dogg.


Hey, they're the ones responsible for creating that degenerate filth. Now they can wallow in it.
I don't care about the moral behavior of black people. My goal is to change the economic system. If they need moral instruction they can study philosophy or religion.

The economic system of capitalism promotes inequality. It also promotes war. It promotes poverty among the majority of the world's population. Supporters of capitalism say "It's the individual's fault he's poor.".
Is it? If the poor of Latin America took personal responsibility for thier poverty would thier poverty end?
Good jobs require education. What poor Latin American has money for education?

How many Latin American right wing governments support public education with large funds? Most Latin Americans cannot afford a private grade school education or college education. They make minimum wage. They are like pack animals. They are only one step above a slave. Are these people in that position because they are dumbasses? Maybe in America, but not there.

In America, people can recieve an education and better themselves. However, the American system still promotes war and racism. It still is based on screwing the third world. Until recently, the American system was anti-education. For example, African slaves wer'nt allowed to read and write. Also, it was impossible for poor people to get a good grade school education or go to college.

I would say alot of the present problems in the African American Community are a result of rage. Rage at mistreatment and inequality in the past. Hopefully, a change from capitalism to socialism will heal some of that anger.

Dark Capitalist,
You are opposed to equality. Therefore, you don't care.
You are a follower of Nietzche. You believe that inequality brings out the best in mankind. You believe that equality is not natural. It is not nature's design for
animals or man.
However, my thoughts may influence some socialists on this forum.

[black sheep.]

Hey what happened to you guys? Don't take my posts personally. I'm just having some fun. I need some feedback here!!! Hey, I'll leave the forum if that's what you guys want. I'm just doing this stuff for fun. Right now I'm waiting for a job so I don't have nothing else to do.

[Hampton]

Quote: from Dark Capitalist on 5:42 pm on July 3, 2003

Quote: from black sheep on 3:19 pm on July 2, 2003
I would like to add these thoughts. Black people have been the victims of the American pop culture. They see all these rich black entertainers on TV. They dream that one day they will be rich and famous. However, most of them don't become rich and famous. Therefore, popular entertainment acts as an "opium of the people".
Black people should be focused on ending the capitalist system not on being an NBA star or Snoop Dogg.


Hey, they're the ones responsible for creating that degenerate filth. Now they can wallow in it.


American culture is responsible for creating it. Sadly it's almost ever American's dream to get as much money as possible and to be able to flaunt it to show how high up on the social ladder they are. It's hardly degenerate, and if you want to make it about race, it's no worse than a middle aged white guy owning 4 cars that cost over $50,000 each or a soccer mom cutting you off in her SUV.

[Vinny Rafarino]

Quote: from black sheep on 3:19 pm on July 2, 2003
I would like to add these thoughts. Black people have been the victims of the American pop culture. They see all these rich black entertainers on TV. They dream that one day they will be rich and famous. However, most of them don't become rich and famous. Therefore, popular entertainment acts as an "opium of the people". Black people should be focused on ending the capitalist system not on being an NBA star or Snoop Dogg

I missed this piece of drivel. Thanks for commenting on it Comrade Hampton.

Mr. Sheep, are you trying to say that its cool for White men like Bill Gates to have 86 billion dollars by writing software, but if a black man makes a million dollars rapping it's not cool? I think it's a simple matter of you, DC and Loknar hating those "pesky negroes". You can pretend to be a communist all yiou want Sheep, but the fact remains this, "sheep" is the perfect name for you.

[black sheep.]

Quote: from COMRADE RAF on 6:29 am on July 5, 2003
Quote: from black sheep on 3:19 pm on July 2, 2003
I would like to add these thoughts. Black people have been the victims of the American pop culture. They see all these rich black entertainers on TV. They dream that one day they will be rich and famous. However, most of them don't become rich and famous. Therefore, popular entertainment acts as an "opium of the people". Black people should be focused on ending the capitalist system not on being an NBA star or Snoop Dogg

I missed this piece of drivel. Thanks for commenting on it Comrade Hampton.

Mr. Sheep, are you trying to say that its cool for White men like Bill Gates to have 86 billion dollars by writing software, but if a black man makes a million dollars rapping it's not cool? I think it's a simple matter of you, DC and Loknar hating those "pesky negroes". You can pretend to be a communist all yiou want Sheep, but the fact remains this, "sheep" is the perfect name for you.

Blacks can escape poverty in three ways:

1. sports

2. music

3. crime

I'm not trying to sound like a bigot. However, that's the facts. Yes, Bill Gates can make "easy" money. However,
writing computer software was not his only option. Black people don't have too many options these days. They full of rage. They view any attempt to better themselves (besides the big 3 ways I mentioned) as "Uncle Tom". I will make a bold statement. This will make me unpopular on here, but I don't care.

"The American Capitalist system and Black racism are responsible for poverty in the African American community..."

True Communists are not racists. However, many black people are racist. This holds them back big time. Now I admit there was a time when Jim Crow existed. However, now black people can better themselves with education. However, thier fear of being "Uncle Tom" is holding them back.

I recently made a comment about the movie "American History X". Let me talk a little bit about the movie.
In the town of Venice Beach, California many white kids were getting beat up everyday by black students. The black kids were racist. Naturally, the white kids wanted to defend themselves. Eventually they got tired of it So they resorted to racism. Why not? The black kids were racist. It's not right, but understandable.

Black people have to end thier racism! They have to love all people. That includes hillbillies. They have to accept people as people. Sometimes black people will accept "Eminem" kind of whites. However, they to accept all whites. Now do you think they are doing that now? Go to any big city and see if they are. I'm not being a bigot. I'm just stating true facts.

Now I admit there is still racism against blacks. However, there is not enough racism to keep blacks in poverty. That was a thing of the past. I admit that capitalism is keeping the third world in poverty. However, capitalism is not responsible for poverty in the United States. However, I still advocate destroying it.

Why? Because it is designed to fuck the third world. It also leads to inequality. In other words, you got guys like Snoop Dogg and Bill Gates and you got regular people (not in poverty, but not in the upper middle or upper class). The only solution for the world's poverty (not the USA's) is Communism. This communism will end Bill Gates and Snoop Dogg for the sake of the third world. That is what I am fighting for.

Am I racist against black people? Not really. Any white nationalist group would love to lynch my ass. They don't like my message (except maybe the part about black racism). They want racism. I want an end to racism. However, this will require black people admitting they are racist. It will require black people to make a real effort to love whites. In other words, I should be able to go into South Central LA without getting my butt kicked.

[black sheep.]

I would like to make a correction on my last comment.
Black racism is responsible for black poverty (not American capitalism). Capitalism is responsible for poverty in the third world. Therefore, I support the destruction of capitalism. However, it's not for the sake of the USA. It is for the sake of the third world. Now this leads to some interesting questions.

If capitalism in the USA was ended would black racism end? I don't know. I know a communist victory in the USA would help end third world poverty. It might change the attitude of black racists. There would no longer be any inequality of income to encourage racism.
However, as I said before, I do believe blacks can escape poverty (in a capitalist system) by ending thier racism.

In summary, what I am trying to say is this. Black people can escape poverty in the capitalist USA. That does not mean capitalism is better than communism. It's just saying that alot of thier problems were self-inflicted. However, looking at the whole world, I feel that Communism would end third world poverty. Therefore, an end to capitalism is needed, but not necessary to end the poverty of African Americans.

[black sheep.]

I would like to make another comment. Look at Indian immigrants to the USA. They are not in poverty. However, they come from a poverty stricken nation. Why are they not in poverty? Because they don't harbor hostility against white people. They don't have an attitude problem. They don't have any Malcom X type leaders. They don't know what an "Uncle Tom" is.

[Unrelenting Steve]

I agree with what you have said here, but America will never choose moral behaviour over behaviour in its best "interest", that is why i believe America will never become communist, atleast not before the world changes drasticly around it, America has got everthing to loose and nothing to gain thorugh communism- because even though there are great differances in wealth in Ameica, relitive to Afririca, you all live like kings, and your not going to chance the system that keeps you ontop.

[Vinny Rafarino]

Quote: from black sheep on 9:32 am on July 6, 2003
I would like to make another comment. Look at Indian immigrants to the USA. They are not in poverty. However, they come from a poverty stricken nation. Why are they not in poverty? Because they don't harbor hostility against white people. They don't have an attitude problem. They don't have any Malcom X type leaders. They don't know what an "Uncle Tom" is.


Mr. Sheep the quality of your post has fallen to the leverl of a Hong Kong knock-off Rolex. I would imagine an Indian immagrant does not know what an uncle-tom is simply because THEIR ANCESTORS WERE NOT BLACK AMERICAN SLAVES! If you don't think Indians harbour hostility towards white people than you are simply living in fucking cuckooville. Remeber, the brits treated Indians like dogs for a long time. Do you think Indian Immigrants think Whiteys in America are "hard-working folk that gave this poor defeated brown man an "opportunity" to work at 7 fucking 11? Let me fill you in on a little secret just because Indians are nice to paying customers does not mean they don't make fun of your cracker arse when you leave. It just wouldn't be good business to belittle you when you're paying their bills now would it? No Malcolm-X type leaders. What the fuck are you thinking son?

[Hampton]

Black racism is responsible for black poverty (not American capitalism). Capitalism is responsible for poverty in the third world.

Huh? Capitalism was built off the backs of slaves most of who, now catch this, were black. After the slaves were freed, they got nothing in return for their work for the government or their former owners, they had nothing, lived in poverty. It wasn't their racism against white people that didn't give them 40 acres and a mule and it wasn't their racism that made them "separate but equal" or not allowed to vote when they get out of prison.

Blacks can escape poverty in three ways:
1. sports
2. music
3. crime

I think you missed one: selling drugs, which I wouldn't put under the label of crime because it's way to general, and which is a more realistic than your bad stereotype of playing sports and making rap music. It's also the one which they will be sent to prison for the most for, which may be the biggest problem.

Now I admit there was a time when Jim Crow existed.

Holy fucking shit, thanks Mr. history!

Now I admit there is still racism against blacks. However, there is not enough racism to keep blacks in poverty. That was a thing of the past.

Can I ask you a question: do you think white people get pulled over because they're white? Do you think a black cop hates white people so he's going to pull them over to harass them? Does the white cop pull over a black driver because the color of his skin?

Black people have to end thier racism! They have to love all people.

Why should I love someone who hates me for the color of my skin? My name isn't Martin Lauther King Jr.

In the town of Venice Beach, California many white kids were getting beat up everyday by black students. The black kids were racist. Naturally, the white kids wanted to defend themselves. Eventually they got tired of it So they resorted to racism. Why not? The black kids were racist. It's not right, but understandable.

So it's understandable to turn into a nazi and want to kill all the black people who stole back your basketball court?

Am I racist against black people? Not really.

I don't know if its' racism as much as it is ignorance.

It will require black people to make a real effort to love whites. In other words, I should be able to go into South Central LA without getting my butt kicked.

You make it seem like every black man, woman, or child you see on the street is going to stab or shoot you if you look at them, and this simply is not true. Their is racism, and that's something that no one would deny. But your answer to end my poverty is to end my racism is just not going to cut it, it's not a real answer, I'll end my racism but then when I go for a job and the white manager thinks I'm going to steal from the store and doesn’t hire me, what good did that do? And I should be able to walk down a upper class suburb without getting looked at like I'm going to rob someone's house, but it ain't gonna happen.

(Edited by Hampton at 1:42 pm on July 7, 2003)

[Felicia]

America is a nation located on the North American continent between Canada and Mexico. It has a different culture than the rest of the world.
you mean is void of culture....

[black sheep.]

Quote: from Hampton on 6:41 pm on July 6, 2003
Black racism is responsible for black poverty (not American capitalism). Capitalism is responsible for poverty in the third world.

Huh? Capitalism was built off the backs of slaves most of who, now catch this, were black. After the slaves were freed, they got nothing in return for their work for the government or their former owners, they had nothing, lived in poverty. It wasn't their racism against white people that didn't give them 40 acres and a mule and it wasn't their racism that made them "separate but equal" or not allowed to vote when they get out of prison.

Blacks can escape poverty in three ways:
1. sports
2. music
3. crime

I think you missed one: selling drugs, which I wouldn't put under the label of crime because it's way to general, and which is a more realistic than your bad stereotype of playing sports and making rap music. It's also the one which they will be sent to prison for the most for, which may be the biggest problem.

Now I admit there was a time when Jim Crow existed.

Holy fucking shit, thanks Mr. history!

Now I admit there is still racism against blacks. However, there is not enough racism to keep blacks in poverty. That was a thing of the past.

Can I ask you a question: do you think white people get pulled over because they're white? Do you think a black cop hates white people so he's going to pull them over to harass them? Does the white cop pull over a black driver because the color of his skin?

Black people have to end thier racism! They have to love all people.

Why should I love someone who hates me for the color of my skin? My name isn't Martin Lauther King Jr.

In the town of Venice Beach, California many white kids were getting beat up everyday by black students. The black kids were racist. Naturally, the white kids wanted to defend themselves. Eventually they got tired of it So they resorted to racism. Why not? The black kids were racist. It's not right, but understandable.

So it's understandable to turn into a nazi and want to kill all the black people who stole back your basketball court?

Am I racist against black people? Not really.

I don't know if its' racism as much as it is ignorance.

It will require black people to make a real effort to love whites. In other words, I should be able to go into South Central LA without getting my butt kicked.

You make it seem like every black man, woman, or child you see on the street is going to stab or shoot you if you look at them, and this simply is not true. Their is racism, and that's something that no one would deny. But your answer to end my poverty is to end my racism is just not going to cut it, it's not a real answer, I'll end my racism but then when I go for a job and the white manager thinks I'm going to steal from the store and doesn’t hire me, what good did that do? And I should be able to walk down a upper class suburb without getting looked at like I'm going to rob someone's house, but it ain't gonna happen.

(Edited by Hampton at 1:42 pm on July 7, 2003)


Dude, I was raised in redneck USA. There were few blacks where I went to school. Most of the kids I knew were racist, sexist, xenophobic, and homophobic. What do you expect? They are East Tennessee hillbillies!

I'm might be sounding a bit harsh. However, I have to tell the truth. Most white kids (where I was raised) don't give a shit about blacks. Yes, some of them might like rap music and stuff. However, most of them either don't care or hate black people. They have'nt seen large numbers of blacks (except on TV). For the most part they go on with thier lives without interacting with blacks. I'll give you some examples from my life.

One time a classmate of mine (This was in college) said
"Well that's what you get when you get a bunch of niggers together" "you know niggs" I did'nt say anything back. He's said

"Ah do you like them??" Another time I was watching the movie "Glory" in high school. This kid said "Niggers Do you like them???" You see these cracker kids can't relate to a move like "Glory" Why? Because there are no blacks there (at least not a large number of them). So naturally chauvanism sets in and the kid says "This is bullshit".

Now this racist problem is'nt unique to America. You can meet some hillbillies in South Korea too. Some kids were saying "fucking USA". I looked surprised and they
said "Americans Do you like them???"
See, Americans are viewed as niggers over there. A bunch of big freaks who rape thier women and keep thier land divided.
Another time a fellow Korean teacher (He was about 21) said "I don't like black people" He would constantly tell me this every few days. Another Korean teacher complained there was too many black people at the New York Airport.

So what's my point? The world is full of ignorant fucks. East Tennessee has some and so does South Korea.
Yes, the people where I live are ignorant cracker fucks.
You guys view me as being one of them. Well, I can't help where I was born. I did'nt choose my damn parents.

I belive people are naturally chauvanistic and racist. You black people say your not that way. Bullshit! You care about your people first. You don't give a fuck about whites. Just like the hillbillies I mentioned don't give a fuck about blacks.

Black people are raised around blacks. They listed to rap and other ethnic music. Thier whole lives are lived in black areas. You don't think thier going to be racist, chauvanistic ignorant fucks? You don't think thier going to pick on honkies that come in thier neighborhood?

The same goes with hillbillies. They have no exposure to African Americans. They listed to heavy metal, rock and country thier whole lives. You don't think they are going to be distrustful of blacks? You don't think some prejudice is going to set in?

It would be great if everyone was sensitive to other cultures. However, people are not. Thier chauvanistic, racist, closed-minded assholes! This goes for all people.
Blacks, whites, asians, latinos. It's a sad truth about life. Now I'm making generalizations. However, I can say the majority of people are assholes. I know this from experinces in my life and my world travel.
So let's quit all this "bleeding heart liberal" bullshit. The average joe on the street is a piece of shit. He don't care about other cultures. He just wants to better himself and mock everyone else.

Hampton,
You think only whites can be racist assholes. That is your error. Plus, you have no desire to forgive crackers, honkies whatever you want to call them. That's not a real communist. That sounds like a racist to me. Your racism is'nt helping communism. It's dividing the races even further. This serves the cause of the ruling class.

The truth is that you view crackers as sub-human. You desire to kill or hurt as many of them as possible. You no desire to forgive them. Even if they accepted communism you would'nt forgive them. Tell me I'm not saying the truth? Yes, you a certainly not Martin Luther King. You fail to understand that hate brings hate.
If black kids beat me up then I'm going to fight back. What the hell do you expect?

[black sheep.]

Quote: from COMRADE RAF on 4:39 pm on July 6, 2003

Quote: from black sheep on 9:32 am on July 6, 2003
I would like to make another comment. Look at Indian immigrants to the USA. They are not in poverty. However, they come from a poverty stricken nation. Why are they not in poverty? Because they don't harbor hostility against white people. They don't have an attitude problem. They don't have any Malcom X type leaders. They don't know what an "Uncle Tom" is.


Mr. Sheep the quality of your post has fallen to the leverl of a Hong Kong knock-off Rolex. I would imagine an Indian immagrant does not know what an uncle-tom is simply because THEIR ANCESTORS WERE NOT BLACK AMERICAN SLAVES! If you don't think Indians harbour hostility towards white people than you are simply living in fucking cuckooville. Remeber, the brits treated Indians like dogs for a long time. Do you think Indian Immigrants think Whiteys in America are "hard-working folk that gave this poor defeated brown man an "opportunity" to work at 7 fucking 11? Let me fill you in on a little secret just because Indians are nice to paying customers does not mean they don't make fun of your cracker arse when you leave. It just wouldn't be good business to belittle you when you're paying their bills now would it? No Malcolm-X type leaders. What the fuck are you thinking son?


I know that the ancestors of Indian Immigrants were not African slaves. My point was they don't view work as degrading. They don't view work as "kissing the white man's ass".

Yes, they might be making fun of me behind my back. I'm sure alot of people are. I don't really give a fuck.
Anyways, they should never make fun of people paying their bills. I pity them. I thought they were more well rounded, sensitive, and intellegent. But that proves my point that most people are chauvanistic racist assholes.
Comrade RAF, you say I'm a cracker? Who are you? You sound like someone from Britan, New Zealand, or Australia. Where in the fuck do you think crackers came from? They came from Britain. So don't give me this "holier than thou" crap. The British provided the gene pool for the American honky. It started with the Mayflower.

You and Hampton think it's perfectly OK to hate honkies.
But, you are angry when honkies hate blacks. All hate is the same. We have to treat everyone as a human being. Communism is against racism. But you guys are advocating racism. Don't you see your error?
I want to be your friend. However, your acceptance of racism angers me.

I admit I made alot of generalizations. I don't think every black person wants to beat me up. That's silly!
I'm saying that there are many ignorant people. They belong to every race. This ignorance leads to racism and hate. Hate causes hate in return. We should not be surprised when white kids fight back. Why should they take a bunch of crap from black gangs? Human nature is evil. The probability is that white kids are not going to turn the other cheek. They are going to become racist bigots.

[CienfuegosJnr]

TOPIC OF RICH IMMIGRANTS;
What ever you people might think about Mexico and crime, any body from Mexico, would tell you that the Chicano gangs in the American big citys are worse than crime found on the streets of Mexico ...... while there is street crime in Mexican citys such as muggings, corruption and bank robberies, its rare to find trive bys, colour gangs and whole neighbourhoods (like i.e south central) living in such fear!!

This also brings up the topic of 'mexican racism', were I get labeled as a young 'chicano' male, by some elements of the Mexican (in mexico) population (i.e teachers, police and leftys- ) (not to mention Europeans, but eeehhh...) and therefore I'am a little street kid, a waanabee, a druggie and stupid, with out getting to know me .... thank you the global spread of american culture!

And not all Indians are poor, I'd say most shop owners were probably middle class before they arrived!

(Edited by CienfuegosJnr at 10:06 am on July 6, 2003)

[Vinny Rafarino]

Your problem Sheep is that you only make generalisations. You profess to speak for every black man in the country...Blacks think this...Blacks think that...
It's all bollocks. White America spends too much time looking for excused from the minority communities to allow them to continue with their racists beliefs and feel good about it. The fact of the matter is whitey is now scared of the black man. The days of Kunta Kinte are long gone you dig? White people in the US and UK would rather attempt to mould their racist views into "self defence" rather than simply change them. In 1960 if a white man wanted to demoralise a black man he simply called him "nigger" and told him to get the fuck to the back of the bus. Now that the Black man has decided not to take your racist shite any longer, it suddenly becomes "I'm only racist 'cos they are racist against me". Fucking whiney babies.


(Edited by COMRADE RAF at 8:07 am on July 7, 2003)

[black sheep.]

Quote: from Hampton on 6:41 pm on July 6, 2003
Black racism is responsible for black poverty (not American capitalism). Capitalism is responsible for poverty in the third world.

Huh? Capitalism was built off the backs of slaves most of who, now catch this, were black. After the slaves were freed, they got nothing in return for their work for the government or their former owners, they had nothing, lived in poverty. It wasn't their racism against white people that didn't give them 40 acres and a mule and it wasn't their racism that made them "separate but equal" or not allowed to vote when they get out of prison.

Blacks can escape poverty in three ways:
1. sports
2. music
3. crime

I think you missed one: selling drugs, which I wouldn't put under the label of crime because it's way to general, and which is a more realistic than your bad stereotype of playing sports and making rap music. It's also the one which they will be sent to prison for the most for, which may be the biggest problem.

Now I admit there was a time when Jim Crow existed.

Holy fucking shit, thanks Mr. history!

Now I admit there is still racism against blacks. However, there is not enough racism to keep blacks in poverty. That was a thing of the past.

Can I ask you a question: do you think white people get pulled over because they're white? Do you think a black cop hates white people so he's going to pull them over to harass them? Does the white cop pull over a black driver because the color of his skin?

Black people have to end thier racism! They have to love all people.

Why should I love someone who hates me for the color of my skin? My name isn't Martin Lauther King Jr.

In the town of Venice Beach, California many white kids were getting beat up everyday by black students. The black kids were racist. Naturally, the white kids wanted to defend themselves. Eventually they got tired of it So they resorted to racism. Why not? The black kids were racist. It's not right, but understandable.

So it's understandable to turn into a nazi and want to kill all the black people who stole back your basketball court?

Am I racist against black people? Not really.

I don't know if its' racism as much as it is ignorance.

It will require black people to make a real effort to love whites. In other words, I should be able to go into South Central LA without getting my butt kicked.

You make it seem like every black man, woman, or child you see on the street is going to stab or shoot you if you look at them, and this simply is not true. Their is racism, and that's something that no one would deny. But your answer to end my poverty is to end my racism is just not going to cut it, it's not a real answer, I'll end my racism but then when I go for a job and the white manager thinks I'm going to steal from the store and doesn’t hire me, what good did that do? And I should be able to walk down a upper class suburb without getting looked at like I'm going to rob someone's house, but it ain't gonna happen.

(Edited by Hampton at 1:42 pm on July 7, 2003)


Yes, there was extreme capitalist exploitation of black people before the 1960's. A similar situation took place in South Africa. South Africa is just now beginning to recover.
The question is this. Is there extreme capitalist exploitation of blacks now in the USA? The answer yes and no.

Yes, prisons have become a thriving industry in the fascist USA. The government tells us to not do drugs.
However, prisons are a big industry. Secretly, the government wants to put blacks in prison. Also, imprisoned blacks cannot vote. Is thier something fishy going on? Imprisoned blacks cannot vote for the Democratic Party. Therefore, more votes are given to the Republican Party. The Republican party supports fascism. It is controlled by coorperations. Are the Republicans aware that black imprisonment takes away democratic votes? Yes. Have you ever noticed that the Republican party is tough on crime?

Now comes the "no" part. Who is making blacks take drugs? They have a free choice to use or not use drugs.
A drug free black america is dangerous. You got a bunch of people who will support socialism (thru the democratic or communist parties). The fascists will never be able to control America. Blacks are a big group that don't buy into thier shit. How many black people do you see with "United We Stand" bumber stickers?
So I think blacks should try to avoid using drugs. They should realize that this is what is enslaving them. It is the tool used by the capitalists to keep thier power. Hampton, Don't you agree? It makes sense to me.

Also, I aplogize to you and Comrade RAF for the harsh language. I'm just trying to get my point across.
I would also like to add that I never laughed at or went along with the racist stuff I have heard. I've tried to be an open minded person. But, the people around me are not open minded.

PS : There is alot of police harrasment of blacks. I'm not denying that racism against blacks exists. I just believe that blacks should stop the "blame game" somewhat. They need to have pride and self respect.
They need to take some responsibility for thier actions.
This is necessary so that they can rid thier communities of drugs.

[black sheep.]

Quote: from COMRADE RAF on 8:05 am on July 7, 2003
Your problem Sheep is that you only make generalisations. You profess to speak for every black man in the country...Blacks think this...Blacks think that...
It's all bollocks. White America spends too much time looking for excused from the minority communities to allow them to continue with their racists beliefs and feel good about it. The fact of the matter is whitey is now scared of the black man. The days of Kunta Kinte are long gone you dig? White people in the US and UK would rather attempt to mould their racist views into "self defence" rather than simply change them. In 1960 if a white man wanted to demoralise a black man he simply called him "nigger" and told him to get the fuck to the back of the bus. Now that the Black man has decided not to take your racist shite any longer, it suddenly becomes "I'm only racist 'cos they are racist against me". Fucking whiney babies.


(Edited by COMRADE RAF at 8:07 am on July 7, 2003)


It's not that I'm being a baby. It's just that were all human. We have feelings. I did'nt like it when South Koreans would say "Fuck You" behind my back. It's a natural human reaction. I understood why they said it. I tried not to take it personal. But, it's hard not too. You see I don't hate these people. So I can't understand why they hate me. Now IF I was wearing a USA T shirt then maybe I would be a target. But these people don't know me. They don't even know that I'm American. I have said nothing to these people. They are just picking on white guys.

I'll tell you the truth. I like most people (except for prejudiced people or capitalist pigs). I'm not prejudiced. That's why It burns me up. Now if the KKK said fuck you then I'd say fuck you back. Because I don't like those bastards. I would'nt like them even if they liked me. I don't welcome thier support. It's easy to take insults from people that you hate anyways. For example, if a drill seargeant said I'm a scum sucking maggot then I would'nt care. You expect it. But, when people you don't know attack you it's different.

I just wanted to be treated fairly. If people start trouble then they deserve trouble. But, I have'nt started no trouble. Therefore, I want to be left alone.
Of course, that's not the way the real world is. But, you can understand my position. I'm sick of talking about this. From now on I'm going to discuss something else.

[black sheep.]

From now on I will make no more generalizations. I admit I am sort of interested in black history. But, I will leave the stuff alone. I'm not black, so what do I know about being black? I did attend a black church for a few years. But, I'm going to keep my mouth shut. We can switch to another topic.

[Hampton]

I'm not going to respond because my response would simply be labeled racism toward whites by you. However, I would like to add this:


Hampton, You think only whites can be racist assholes. That is your error. Plus, you have no desire to forgive crackers, honkies whatever you want to call them. That's not a real communist. That sounds like a racist to me. Your racism is'nt helping communism. It's dividing the races even further. This serves the cause of the ruling class.

I don't think I ever used the word cracker or honky in my argument to describe white people, this is your error. The people who I would not forgive are people in positions of power who have been overtly racist against me, I think that would be true for most people. The only thing I was arguing against was your stereotypes and generalizations of what black people think and how black people should act. But I guess I'll have to go on the defense now and say some of my best friends are white people right?


The truth is that you view crackers as sub-human. You desire to kill or hurt as many of them as possible.

I don't think I have ever advocated the killing of people because of their race, this is your stereotype and fear of the black man creeping up again. This is the same as the old slave master living in constant fear of a slave rebellion. Tell me where I have said that it is Ok to hate white people for the color of their skin?

[black sheep.]

Quote: from Unrelenting Steve on 12:00 pm on July 6, 2003
I agree with what you have said here, but America will never choose moral behaviour over behaviour in its best "interest", that is why i believe America will never become communist, atleast not before the world changes drasticly around it, America has got everthing to loose and nothing to gain thorugh communism- because even though there are great differances in wealth in Ameica, relitive to Afririca, you all live like kings, and your not going to chance the system that keeps you ontop.
If we let some poor folks out of prison things might be different. They would vote democratic or maybe even communist. However, people associate Communism with tyranny. Therefore, people will vote democratic, but not communist.

Democrats are "soft socialists". The CPUSA has to convince democrats to vote for "hard socialism". They have to get rid of the bad image that the word "Communist" has gotten.
That is the task of CPUSA. However, the first thing that must be ended is the prison problem. Many potential communist voters have lost thier vote in prison. We have to get these people to quit using drugs. They have to recognize that they are being exploited.

[Vinny Rafarino]

You know sheep for not being prejudiced you sure make a lot of pre-judgements. Allow me present some of your recent handywork;

Hampton,
You think only whites can be racist assholes. That is your error. Plus, you have no desire to forgive crackers, honkies whatever you want to call them. That's not a real communist. That sounds like a racist to me. Your racism is'nt helping communism. It's dividing the races even further. This serves the cause of the ruling class.

The truth is that you view crackers as sub-human. You desire to kill or hurt as many of them as possible. You no desire to forgive them. Even if they accepted communism you would'nt forgive them. Tell me I'm not saying the truth? Yes, you a certainly not Martin Luther King. You fail to understand that hate brings hate.
If black kids beat me up then I'm going to fight back. What the hell do you expect?

Now this is one hell of a judgement on Comrade Hampton's character. How could you possibly make this assumption after reading a few posts on a message board?

Black people are raised around blacks. They listed to rap and other ethnic music. Thier whole lives are lived in black areas. You don't think thier going to be racist, chauvanistic ignorant fucks? You don't think thier going to pick on honkies that come in thier neighborhood?

Besides pre-judging blacks as all listening to rap and "ethnic" music and all living together, you sure use the words "they" and "their" quite a bit.


Now comes the "no" part. Who is making blacks take drugs? They have a free choice to use or not use drugs. A drug free black america is dangerous.

They need to have pride and self respect.
They need to take some responsibility for thier actions.
This is necessary so that they can rid thier communities of drugs.

For fuck's sake man, you talk like black people are the only ones in the US that take drugs. I'm too annoyed with you to go on any further, I will leave you with this;

http://www.che-lives.com/cgi/community/upload/head_in_butt.jpg

[black sheep.]

Quote: from Hampton on 9:31 am on July 7, 2003
I'm not going to respond because my response would simply be labeled racism toward whites by you. However, I would like to add this:


Hampton, You think only whites can be racist assholes. That is your error. Plus, you have no desire to forgive crackers, honkies whatever you want to call them. That's not a real communist. That sounds like a racist to me. Your racism is'nt helping communism. It's dividing the races even further. This serves the cause of the ruling class.



I don't think I ever used the word cracker or honky in my argument to describe white people, this is your error. The people who I would not forgive are people in positions of power who have been overtly racist against me, I think that would be true for most people. The only thing I was arguing against was your stereotypes and generalizations of what black people think and how black people should act. But I guess I'll have to go on the defense now and say some of my best friends are white people right?


The truth is that you view crackers as sub-human. You desire to kill or hurt as many of them as possible.

I don't think I have ever advocated the killing of people because of their race, this is your stereotype and fear of the black man creeping up again. This is the same as the old slave master living in constant fear of a slave rebellion. Tell me where I have said that it is Ok to hate white people for the color of their skin?


I don't hate black people. I don't hate anybody. I like everybody. However, there are some people that don't like me. Here is an analogy.

Jesus Christ did'nt hate anybody. But, they still insulted and spit on him. They still tortured him.
That is my point. I can't hate people. So, when people hate me I'm unable to respond. All I can do is just stand there.

However, someone that is hateful could easily say "What the fuck did you say??" That is because they are full of hate. They could easily throw a couple of punches.

I'm not a weakling or anything. It's just that I don't have any hate in me. I realize that my hate will not make the situation better. Yes, I could say something back or throw some punches. But, that would not change the situation. My enemy would still hate me. He would hate me worse and his friends would join in. You see what I'm saying?

[black sheep.]

You see I'm talking about Nazis. But, I'm nothing like Nazis. Nazis are full of hate. I can't hate. Therefore, that's why i'm interested in these skinheads. They can hate. I can't. I don't want to hate, but seeing hate captures my imagination. I can't understand how a person could be hateful.

Here is an analogy. A crippled person watching a track star.

[black sheep.]

Quote: from COMRADE RAF on 9:57 am on July 7, 2003
You know sheep for not being prejudiced you sure make a lot of pre-judgements. Allow me present some of your recent handywork;

Hampton,
You think only whites can be racist assholes. That is your error. Plus, you have no desire to forgive crackers, honkies whatever you want to call them. That's not a real communist. That sounds like a racist to me. Your racism is'nt helping communism. It's dividing the races even further. This serves the cause of the ruling class.

The truth is that you view crackers as sub-human. You desire to kill or hurt as many of them as possible. You no desire to forgive them. Even if they accepted communism you would'nt forgive them. Tell me I'm not saying the truth? Yes, you a certainly not Martin Luther King. You fail to understand that hate brings hate.
If black kids beat me up then I'm going to fight back. What the hell do you expect?

Now this is one hell of a judgement on Comrade Hampton's character. How could you possibly make this assumption after reading a few posts on a message board?

Black people are raised around blacks. They listed to rap and other ethnic music. Thier whole lives are lived in black areas. You don't think thier going to be racist, chauvanistic ignorant fucks? You don't think thier going to pick on honkies that come in thier neighborhood?

Besides pre-judging blacks as all listening to rap and "ethnic" music and all living together, you sure use the words "they" and "their" quite a bit.


Now comes the "no" part. Who is making blacks take drugs? They have a free choice to use or not use drugs. A drug free black america is dangerous.

They need to have pride and self respect.
They need to take some responsibility for thier actions.
This is necessary so that they can rid thier communities of drugs.

For fuck's sake man, you talk like black people are the only ones in the US that take drugs. I'm too annoyed with you to go on any further, I will leave you with this;

http://www.che-lives.com/cgi/community/upload/head_in_butt.jpg




I'm done with generalizations. I just can't understand hateful people. That's what I'm getting at.
I don't know anything about blacks or anybody. I'm just trying to understand the nature of a hateful person. I've got nothing against anybody on this forum.

[black sheep.]

Don't take my generalizations and comments personally. I'm trying to understand the mind of a skinhead. I have to answer this question "Why do skinheads hate minorites?" So I have to know things about African Americans. I use information from TV, movies, life experience, history etc.. to form my generalizations. But, I should'nt have used generalizations. Generalizations lead to prejudice. Most skinheads base thier opions on generalizations.
However, in trying to understand skinheads I began to use generalizations myself. That was my error.

Hampton, I assumed alot of things about you. I was wrong. I guess you can call it "bad journalism". I have no hard feelings against you? So do you forgive me??

[CopperGoat]

Hey this guy is from Appalachia.

One of the most worst places of poverty in the USA.

Now you can blame the capitalits that even USA has LOTS of places of poverty and not everyone in the country is rich.