Keep US troops in the USA - The purpose of an army is to def

[black sheep.]

I advocate putting the US military on the Canadian and Mexican borders. The only purpose of overseas US troops is to expand capitalism. US troops are not defending the security of the American people. I am not anti-military. I have no problem with the US being a strong nation. However, we need to use our military strength in a different way. We have enough troops and technology to keep terrorists out. We also have enough troops to keep drugs out. A new US military policy would win the wars on drugs and terror. Does anyone agree or disagree with me?

[Zombie]

This is fundamentally wrong.
From a Kissinger, Kennan & co perspective, it is.
Back in the good ol' days, if you wanted to counter the communist/soviet virus, you had to go and strike where there was a strong chance it could emerge. It's not a matter of putting soldiers on your borders and wait for the enemy to come knock at your door. You had to go after it.
Grenada, Laos, Vietnam, Guatemala, Romania etc etc are good examples.

We have enough troops and technology to keep terrorists out
Sorry but you just don't get it do you. The US gov doesn't want to keep terrorists out. they never intended to do so. They funded, trained and backed hundred of terrorist movements throughout the 20th century, in Latin America, Eastern Europe, Asia and the Middle East. Who do you think funded and sold weaponry to Bin Laden, Hussein and Khomeny (back in 1975) ?

sorry for not making myself perfectly clear, the pc im writing this on is filled with bugs and is pretty slow. im having difficulty typing. ill write more when i get home.

[nz revolution]

A good song for this is "The Marching Song of the Covert Battalions"

Making the world safe for capitalism.

I agree these yanks should get the fuck home!

U$ soldiers and the CIA deal drugs though...

[black sheep.]

Quote: from Zombie on 1:32 am on June 23, 2003
This is fundamentally wrong.
From a Kissinger, Kennan & co perspective, it is.
Back in the good ol' days, if you wanted to counter the communist/soviet virus, you had to go and strike where there was a strong chance it could emerge. It's not a matter of putting soldiers on your borders and wait for the enemy to come knock at your door. You had to go after it.
Grenada, Laos, Vietnam, Guatemala, Romania etc etc are good examples.

We have enough troops and technology to keep terrorists out
Sorry but you just don't get it do you. The US gov doesn't want to keep terrorists out. they never intended to do so. They funded, trained and backed hundred of terrorist movements throughout the 20th century, in Latin America, Eastern Europe, Asia and the Middle East. Who do you think funded and sold weaponry to Bin Laden, Hussein and Khomeny (back in 1975) ?

sorry for not making myself perfectly clear, the pc im writing this on is filled with bugs and is pretty slow. im having difficulty typing. ill write more when i get home.


Zombie,

We are talking about two different types of terrorism. Yes, I am against US terrorism against the third world.
I am speaking of a different type of terrorism. The type that we saw in the World Trade Center attacks. The type where innocent American men, women, and children die. In other words, I do not want to see anymore dead American civilians. These are my people.
I feel we can keep the American people safe by protecting our borders and coastlines. Every other country does that. China protects it's borders and coastlines. I feel that having troops overseas makes us an easy target. Why should the US give a fuck about the rest of the world? For example, my uncle died at the age of 18 in the Korean War. I went to South Korea as a English teacher. South Korean kids are singing "Fucking USA songs"
You hear young Koreans saying "Fuck you" behind the back of every caucasian they can see. Of course I'm not defending the USA, but it's no different saying "Nigger" to every black person you see. Of course, South Koreans are prejudiced against black people too.
It's my conclusion that America should defend itself. We will keep our troops on our border. If you plan to come to the US to kill American civilians then be prepared to get FUCKED UP. I admit I am against the American Empire, but I am not against America. A communist USA will stand up for itself. We are not going to cry about past mistakes. We are not going to be insulted by a bunch of foriegn fuckers. These people would love to pick on us. But what bad deeds have they commited?
Once the Communist USA starts then the foriegn bullying and teasing stops!!

(Note: I am not personally insulting you MR. Zombie. I am just making a general attack against people who will never forgive the USA)

[nz revolution]

Sure I'll stop insulting the U$ and burning your flag when it stops it's imperialist policies, as most people will.

The Korean thing is more than the war I gather, more to the lines of the Yanks still being there 50 fuckin years later, stopping any chance of re-unification under Comrade Joonchi

[black sheep.]

Quote: from nz revolution on 10:19 pm on June 23, 2003
Sure I'll stop insulting the U$ and burning your flag when it stops it's imperialist policies, as most people will.

The Korean thing is more than the war I gather, more to the lines of the Yanks still being there 50 fuckin years later, stopping any chance of re-unification under Comrade Joonchi

Yeah, but that's not my fucking problem. I never supported the American Empire. Most Americans have been brainwashed into thinking American troops are defending freedom and democracy. They don't view South Korea as a colony. So naturally, Americans are shocked when they find South Koreans hate us.

Anyways,I don't insult foriegners who visit Tennessee. That's rude. These punks are just singling out white people. I don't care if they hate US impleralism. I hate US impleralism too. It's just they are prejudiced against white people. They assume all white people are assholes. Now I never punched these guys in the face.
I just did the Jesus thing "Father forgive them they know not what they do" Maybe one day there conscience will hit them and they will feel guilty for thier racism.

[Zombie]

I am just making a general attack against people who will never forgive the USA

*sigh*, it's like talking to a wall, Mr Sheep.
oh sob sob, sept 11 was such a disaster. prick.
it wasn't.
RWANDA was a disaster, VIETNAM was a disaster, SALVADOR was a disaster, PALESTINE was a disaster. New York is just a fucking joke. your fucking patriotic ego is a joke.
New York wasn't the result of an outside terrorist attack, it was an inside job, until you are able to understand that, you're just as brainwashed as those fellow patriots of yours.

[Nobody]

I am speaking of a different type of terrorism. The type that we saw in the World Trade Center attacks. The type where innocent American men, women, and children die. In other words, I do not want to see anymore dead American civilians. These are my people.

Black sheep, how is that terror any different from the kind you unleashed on anyone else? You get what you sow my friend, you train the crazies to wipe out innocent Russians, Irainins, etc, etc, then stop funding them, then you are their enemy, and then they kill you.

I advocate putting the US military on the Canadian and Mexican borders.

What good is putting a bunch of troops on the borders. The drugs are smuggled across the Mexican boarder in trucks on the highway, not armed convoys. And troops on the Canadian border? Why? To stop the flood on refugees from Canada into the U$? Nope. Maybe to stop the invasion? Not happening anytime soon. (But is planned.)

Finally, nz revolution, Comarade Junichi lives in New York I believe.

[Vinny Rafarino]

New York wasn't the result of an outside terrorist attack, it was an inside job, until you are able to understand that, you're just as brainwashed as those fellow patriots of yours.

Conspiracy theorists will think of just about anything won't they?

[black sheep.]

Quote: from Zombie on 12:28 am on June 24, 2003
I am just making a general attack against people who will never forgive the USA

*sigh*, it's like talking to a wall, Mr Sheep.
oh sob sob, sept 11 was such a disaster. prick.
it wasn't.
RWANDA was a disaster, VIETNAM was a disaster, SALVADOR was a disaster, PALESTINE was a disaster. New York is just a fucking joke. your fucking patriotic ego is a joke.
New York wasn't the result of an outside terrorist attack, it was an inside job, until you are able to understand that, you're just as brainwashed as those fellow patriots of yours.


Yes, I'm crying. That is because people DIED in the september 11th attack. Now you are mocking me???
I'm a prick? Someone that laughs at thousands of people dying is a prick. I never said that Vietnam, Palestine and all that was'nt a disaster. Yes, it was far worse than the NYC attacks. It was a thousand times worse. Actually, I'm one of the few Americans to understand that. Believe me NOBODY in America (at least in Tennessee) understands that. Most Americans believe that the American army is the "good guys". Only after seeing the hatred against America overseas did I "see the light". Also I did some research into American Capitalism. For example, third world exploitation by companies like WAL-MART. While on the island of Saipan, I saw garment industries exploiting Chinese workers. When I was in the Phillippines I got the full treatment. Anybody would become sympathetic to Communism after going there. I went there to visit a girl that I met on the internet. Nice country. Nice people. However, any fool could see that capitalism does'nt work there. Large American shopping malls with shacks full of families nearby. I know I visited one.
Villages with no toilets or running water. (I lived in one for 3 weeks with my tour guide. There was some trouble in travel plans so I got to have some different experiences.
I also got to see plenty of kids begging me for money in the streets. Phillippine women want to leave so bad that they date 50 year old men on the internet. So I guess I got to see more of the world than your average person from East Tennessee. I know what your saying "NO SHIT" You would see this anywhere in the third world. However, like sometimes you have to see to believe. You know kind of like Ebeneezer Scrooge on the "Christmas Story". I'm one of the few Americans to come out of the coma.
Anyways, You don't want to be my friend because I'm an American.
Get to know me. Get to know my life story and political views. Then you can decide wether or not to hate me.
If you choose to hate me due to prejudice then may you ROT IN HELL! If your going to hate me then give me well researched reasons. I hate prejudice more than anything else. I would rather be punched or spit in the face for a good reason then given a bad look for bad reasons. I'm sorry I'm so sensitive. It's just the way I am. That's why I can't take racism. I could have never lived in 1930's Mississippi. Maybe I'll seek psychatric help.

Now Let's discuss Vietnam. I damn sure would'nt have sent troops there.
You assume because I cry at the WTC that I laugh at Vietnam and Palestine. Buddy, I would fight and die under Ho Chi Minh. I clearly understand that the US dropped more bombs on North Vietnam than in World War II. I am no fan of US Cold War policy. Palestine?
I believe in ending US support for Israel. The motivation to help Israel is from Christian Zionism. There are many christians who believe that is a false unbiblical doctrine.
Rwanda? US troops risk thier lives for Iraqis, but not for Africans. Was oil or world power involved?

My patriotic ego is a joke? There is nothing wrong with patriotism. Maybe I should "sob sob.."sigh cry about being an American. I will now. I am certainly not going to after an American Communist revolution. People should not be ashamed of who they are and where they came from. I hate US foriegn and domestic policy. That is why I want a Communist USA. That way people will leave my nation alone. Then Americans can truly hold thier heads up high and take thier place among the peoples of the world. America's a great country. It just needs some change. Now I do have an ego. I just like to have fun sometimes.

Now please take back what you said about me being a prick. If you don't then I will fight you 3:00 after school.
Understand????

[black sheep.]

I do apoogize for the harsh foul language. I have to get my point across. Nobody should be treated like a dog. Not even Americans. You got to show some pride. Otherwise all you can do is cry "Why does everybody hate me????" A person can't go on like that and expect to be psychologically healthy.

[Zombie]

Point well taken.

But I'm sick and tired of people looking up at 9/11 as if it was some sort of worldly catastrophy. It is not. Yes people died, I'm not laughing at their death, I'm laughing at it's exageration. A relative of mine died there, and friends' relatives also.
I was born during a war. Believe me, I still remember those days when me and my family had to take refuge into underground basements for days and days, waiting for the storm to pass. My people was torn apart from that war, I know what it's like to loose one of their own.


I take back what I said about you being a prick, for now anyway, time will tell ;)

And RAF, yes conspiracy theorists will think about just anything. Can you prove mine wrong?


If you don't then I will fight you 3:00 after school.
Understand????

please, I will take you on anyday ;)

(Edited by Zombie at 2:29 am on June 24, 2003)

[black sheep.]

Quote: from Zombie on 6:37 am on June 24, 2003
Point well taken.

But I'm sick and tired of people looking up at 9/11 as if it was some sort of worldly catastrophy. It is not. Yes people died, I'm not laughing at their death, I'm laughing at it's exageration. A relative of mine died there, and friends' relatives also.
I was born during a war. Believe me, I still remember those days when me and my family had to take refuge into underground basements for days and days, waiting for the storm to pass. My people was torn apart from that war, I know what it's like to loose one of their own.


I take back what I said about you being a prick, for now anyway, time will tell ;)

And RAF, yes conspiracy theorists will think about just anything. Can you prove mine wrong?


If you don't then I will fight you 3:00 after school.
Understand????

please, I will take you on anyday ;)

The 9/11 thing was an exxageration. Americans can't take death and destruction. People overseas see it everyday. Americans have been softened by years of being isolated from danger. That was the impression I got of it. Americans see war and violence on TV all the time. However, when violence actually comes everyone
is shocked. It gets TV coverage 24 hours and all kinds of celebrities get on TV and raise money for victims.
I guess it's a racist thing. People don't care about the deaths of those outside of thier ethnic or national group.
Of course people will deny that's true. Nobody cares if people in another country die. I'm sure some anti-war activists were sad at the deaths of Vietnamese. However, most Americans did'nt really care. Because they don't view Vietnamese as being as human as Americans. There has been many overseas tragedies worse than 9/11. Earthquakes, Chernobyl, airliners shot down, Bophal, nuclear tests in the Pacific, Iraq-Iran War, and AIDS in Africa, Thailand, and India. However, most Americans did'nt care. There was no celebrities coming out and raising money for the victims.
Really nobody cared. If you do care then people think your wierd. For example, my nephew started mocking me when I came back from Korea. He said that I was John Walker Lindh and a Communist. Why? Because I have an open mind and I have visited foriegn countries.
Because I actually was concerned about stuff overseas.
My nephew really felt patriotic about 9/11. However, he has never bothered to learn about the overseas tragedies that were even worse. Even if he knew about them then he probably would'nt care. He would only care about his "kind". My nephew is a product of American culture. He is simply copying what everyone else does. The truth is that most Americans (especially in small town America) have a KKK view of the world.
Now those people really are pricks. Here is thier website http://www.kukluxklan.org They even criticized "Feed the Children" on thier website. They said "Your bound to get disease if you drink out of the same water you use the bathroom in" "Don't these people ever use birth control?" They claim to be Christians. However, I see them as being the first in hell.
Anyways, I don't think most Americans are going to change. It's a miracle I did.

[Vinny Rafarino]

Zombie you obviously know nothing of logic. It's a simple 100 level concept. Or are you not even out of high school yet? YOU are the one making the claim, therefore the burden of proof lies with YOU.

I can personally care less what you think. The more drivel that comes out of your mouth the better. I simply adore when you children make these types of bold statements. It makes watching you back-peddle and stammer all the more enjoyable.


(Edited by COMRADE RAF at 7:41 am on June 24, 2003)

[Zombie]

I can personally care less what you think.

good. don't forget to take your usual pills before going to bed, oki?

[black sheep.]

Quote: from LevTrosky on 3:57 am on June 24, 2003
I am speaking of a different type of terrorism. The type that we saw in the World Trade Center attacks. The type where innocent American men, women, and children die. In other words, I do not want to see anymore dead American civilians. These are my people.

Black sheep, how is that terror any different from the kind you unleashed on anyone else? You get what you sow my friend, you train the crazies to wipe out innocent Russians, Irainins, etc, etc, then stop funding them, then you are their enemy, and then they kill you.

I advocate putting the US military on the Canadian and Mexican borders.

What good is putting a bunch of troops on the borders. The drugs are smuggled across the Mexican boarder in trucks on the highway, not armed convoys. And troops on the Canadian border? Why? To stop the flood on refugees from Canada into the U$? Nope. Maybe to stop the invasion? Not happening anytime soon. (But is planned.)

Finally, nz revolution, Comarade Junichi lives in New York I believe.



Your exactly right. The US has been funding terrorism for years. Now America is "reaping what is has sown" as the Bible says. However, because people died in the WTC attacks I have to show some kind of sympathy. I do believe it was overly exxagerated as Zombie suggested.

What about US troops on the border? I guess it was just a little fantasy of mine. I don't care if troops are on the border or not. I certainly do not want them in foriegn lands. My point is that Americans at some point have to stop crying. We have to stop saying "Why does everyone hate me???" A communist revolution would eliminate alot of hatred and resentment against the USA. Then America could focus on the positive. America could change into a great country. Americans could be proud of thier nation again. I do propose having a different flag for the Communist USA.
The old one has too much association with capitalism and imperialism. The new flag has a peace sign which is uniquely American and Left wing. It something Americans could be proud of. Of course, changing America into a communist nation is only a fantasy.
Everyone in the US is brainwashed. However, maybe things will change in 10 to 15 years. We do have alot of discontented people in America.

[Vinny Rafarino]

I agree that the attacks are over exaggerated, i just don't think it was an inside job. I agree that the CIA has helped these organisations, but I do not think they were behind this one. There is way to much risk involved. These dolts could not even cover up clipping Kennedy much less cover up this. It simply defies all logic, and therefore can fact.

Mr Sheep, I don't think the yanquees really give a toss what people think of them. Yeah they whine quite a bit, but everyone knows what the score is. They would much rather be the bullies and be *****y than be the bullied and be righteous.

You're gonna have 6000 hillbillies knockin' you up carrying shotguns if you try to add a peace sign to their flag.

I once went to this art exhibit (some of you lot may have seen it) that had a book containing the constitution and its ammendments on a small shelf on the wall with a yanquee flag used as a rug under it. You had to walk on the flag to view the book. There was a fucking pack of yanquee hillbillies waiting there to see who would walk on the flag...If you did they would start fucking with you talking about roughing you up in the parking lot and all sorts of nonsense while security just sat and did nothing. I walked on that fucking flag I tell you. I stomped and stomped. However I did sneak outa that fucking joint when I left.


(Edited by COMRADE RAF at 9:27 am on June 24, 2003)

[Vinny Rafarino]

'Cos of our new found respect of each other Comrade Zombie I won't touch that last one.

Cheers

(Edited by COMRADE RAF at 9:29 am on June 24, 2003)

[nz revolution]

Junichi is back in Korea now I believe.

I really find it quite annoying when people rant on aboot middle class shite and chauvinism "I went to uni, blah blah I have a degree" Why advocate workers struggles if you are so pleased with your position in society as one of the "glorious well-educated ones"?

Peace

[black sheep.]

Quote: from COMRADE RAF on 9:25 am on June 24, 2003
I agree that the attacks are over exaggerated, i just don't think it was an inside job. I agree that the CIA has helped these organisations, but I do not think they were behind this one. There is way to much risk involved. These dolts could not even cover up clipping Kennedy much less cover up this. It simply defies all logic, and therefore can fact.

Mr Sheep, I don't think the yanquees really give a toss what people think of them. Yeah they whine quite a bit, but everyone knows what the score is. They would much rather be the bullies and be *****y than be the bullied and be righteous.

You're gonna have 6000 hillbillies knockin' you up carrying shotguns if you try to add a peace sign to their flag.

I once went to this art exhibit (some of you lot may have seen it) that had a book containing the constitution and its ammendments on a small shelf on the wall with a yanquee flag used as a rug under it. You had to walk on the flag to view the book. There was a fucking pack of yanquee hillbillies waiting there to see who would walk on the flag...If you did they would start fucking with you talking about roughing you up in the parking lot and all sorts of nonsense while security just sat and did nothing. I walked on that fucking flag I tell you. I stomped and stomped. However I did sneak outa that fucking joint when I left.


(Edited by COMRADE RAF at 9:27 am on June 24, 2003)


If I added a confederate sign then there would be about 6000 African Americans with guns ready to knock me up. You can't please everybody. Hillbillies?
They can go live on a hillbilly reservation. They can keep thier guns. However, they better not use it against us. (of course these hillbillies did'nt allow their slaves to own guns) These hillbillies don't give a crap about blacks, mexicans, eskimos, or anyone else. They want a seperate white homeland. Let them have it. Just tell them to stay away from me. These intolerant people are a scar on humanity. They hurt, kill, harass, discriminate, and brainwash children with thier
racist religious doctrines. The best solution is to get rid of them. Now I admit all of these hillbillies are not that extreme. However, they still are anti-diversity and pro-capitalist. Most of them had grandparents who were in the Klan or Klan sympathizers. Now they feel that the KKK was too extreme. They are modifying thier beliefs. However, they still have the patriotic USA mentality.
They still don't give a crap about anyone but themselves. You have to understand that only 20 or 30 years ago the majority of white Americans were extremely prejudiced. All of that racism has'nt went away. Sure, it's been watered down. However, it's still there. These hillbillies either can join us or they can leave. That's my final offer.

[Vinny Rafarino]

Don't get me wrong mate. I'm not a liberal-leftist. I would prefer to simply line these boils up in front of a pit and place one to the back of each of their heads. You can't incorporate these roaches into your society as they are and you can't re-educate them. What you can count on however is counter-revolutionary behaviour from them.

(Edited by COMRADE RAF at 10:37 pm on June 24, 2003)

[kelvin]

Quote: from black sheep on 11:59 pm on June 22, 2003
I advocate putting the US military on the Canadian and Mexican borders. The only purpose of overseas US troops is to expand capitalism. US troops are not defending the security of the American people. I am not anti-military. I have no problem with the US being a strong nation. However, we need to use our military strength in a different way. We have enough troops and technology to keep terrorists out. We also have enough troops to keep drugs out. A new US military policy would win the wars on drugs and terror. Does anyone agree or disagree with me?


That is called isolationism? It did not work for Wilson in the 1910s.

[black sheep.]

Quote: from kelvin on 3:07 am on June 27, 2003

Quote: from black sheep on 11:59 pm on June 22, 2003
I advocate putting the US military on the Canadian and Mexican borders. The only purpose of overseas US troops is to expand capitalism. US troops are not defending the security of the American people. I am not anti-military. I have no problem with the US being a strong nation. However, we need to use our military strength in a different way. We have enough troops and technology to keep terrorists out. We also have enough troops to keep drugs out. A new US military policy would win the wars on drugs and terror. Does anyone agree or disagree with me?


That is called isolationism? It did not work for Wilson in the 1910s.

Germany was a colonial power fighting Great Britain(another colonial power). Who cares? Who cares if Kaiser Wilheim takes over Europe. How was he any different than Queen Victoria? What made America angry was the sinking of neutral ships. However, that leads to another big question. Why was America sending her ships into known war zones? Here is an analogy. What if I knew there was a battlefield located
between my house and the nearest town? There was a road going right thru the middle of it. Would I take that route? Would I take another safer route? What is the probability I'm going to get shot at if I go thru the battlefield? America could have found other trading partners unti World War I was finished. Here is another big question. Kaiser Wilhiem conquered many European nations. However, Queen Victoria conquered many Asian and African nations. Why did'nt America send troops to defend India and Kenya from a British takeover?

[kelvin]

Quote: from black sheep on 4:32 am on June 27, 2003

Quote: from kelvin on 3:07 am on June 27, 2003

Quote: from black sheep on 11:59 pm on June 22, 2003
I advocate putting the US military on the Canadian and Mexican borders. The only purpose of overseas US troops is to expand capitalism. US troops are not defending the security of the American people. I am not anti-military. I have no problem with the US being a strong nation. However, we need to use our military strength in a different way. We have enough troops and technology to keep terrorists out. We also have enough troops to keep drugs out. A new US military policy would win the wars on drugs and terror. Does anyone agree or disagree with me?


That is called isolationism? It did not work for Wilson in the 1910s.

Germany was a colonial power fighting Great Britain(another colonial power). Who cares? Who cares if Kaiser Wilheim takes over Europe. How was he any different than Queen Victoria? What made America angry was the sinking of neutral ships. However, that leads to another big question. Why was America sending her ships into known war zones? Here is an analogy. What if I knew there was a battlefield located
between my house and the nearest town? There was a road going right thru the middle of it. Would I take that route? Would I take another safer route? What is the probability I'm going to get shot at if I go thru the battlefield? America could have found other trading partners unti World War I was finished. Here is another big question. Kaiser Wilhiem conquered many European nations. However, Queen Victoria conquered many Asian and African nations. Why did'nt America send troops to defend India and Kenya from a British takeover?

Happen stance of history, because we could not. America was not the same world power in 1917 as in 1880.

[black sheep.]

[/quote]

Happen stance of history, because we could not. America was not the same world power in 1917 as in 1880.[/quote]

Your right. America had the power in 1917 and used it.
America chose to be a colonial power. It tasted of the forbidden fruit. Now like Adam it had to pay the price.
Who were the evil men who ended American isolationism? Did the American people support them?
I assume American Isolationsm ended with the Spanish-American War. Maybe you can't have capitalism without imperalism. Perhaps capitalism naturally leads to imperalism. Therefore, American politicians did not support imperalism. However, thier support of capitalism naturally led to impleralism. You can't have one without the other.

[black sheep.]

Here is my final conclusion. America became an industrial power in the late 1800's. The goal of capitalism is to make bigger profits. Imperalism leads to bigger profits. Therefore it is natural that American capitalists wanted America to become a world power.
Of course, there is nothing wrong with becoming an industrial power. However, an industrial power that develops thru capitalist methods (like the USA) will become imperalist and exploitive. Does anyone agree?

[kelvin]

Imperialism? Do you mean the Philipinees? They voted for thier own independance. They voted to kick the US bases off their soil. Both of which were done without firing a single shot.

(Edited by kelvin at 7:12 am on June 27, 2003)

[kelvin]

Quote:
Who were the evil men who ended American isolationism? Did the American people support them?
I assume American Isolationsm ended with the Spanish-American War. Maybe you can't have capitalism without imperalism. Perhaps capitalism naturally leads to imperalism. Therefore, American politicians did not support imperalism. However, thier support of capitalism naturally led to impleralism. You can't have one without the other.


You have a conclusion supported by a lot of guesses.

(Edited by kelvin at 7:15 am on June 27, 2003)

[black sheep.]

Quote: from kelvin on 7:14 am on June 27, 2003

Quote:
Who were the evil men who ended American isolationism? Did the American people support them?
I assume American Isolationsm ended with the Spanish-American War. Maybe you can't have capitalism without imperalism. Perhaps capitalism naturally leads to imperalism. Therefore, American politicians did not support imperalism. However, thier support of capitalism naturally led to impleralism. You can't have one without the other.


You have a conclusion supported by a lot of guesses.

(Edited by kelvin at 7:15 am on June 27, 2003)


Good point. I will make no more guesses. The following statements are facts.

1. The goal of Capitalists is to make bigger profits.

2. America did become a rich industrial nation in the late 1800's. (It had not yet become a world power. It had no colonies etc ..)

3. America was a capitalist nation in the late 1800's.

4. Impleralism is more profitable than isolationism

5. American capitalists wanted America to become a world power.

Therefore, you can conclude that American capitalism naturally leads to American imperalism.

[black sheep.]

Quote: from kelvin on 7:11 am on June 27, 2003
Imperialism? Do you mean the Philipinees? They voted for thier own independance. They voted to kick the US bases off their soil. Both of which were done without firing a single shot.

(Edited by kelvin at 7:12 am on June 27, 2003)
America gave Cuba thier independence. The US did not give the Phillippines thier independence in the early 1900's. This lead to a bloody war which killed many Filipinos. They lied to the Filipino hero Aguinaldo.
This leads to a question. Who were the heroes? Yes, the US eventually did give the Phillippines thier independence. However, the USA then supported the Phillippine government against the Communist Huks. The Phillippines never became Communist. Now, as a result, the Phillippines is a typical third world capitalist nation. Millions of poor Filipinos live in shacks with no running water. There is a huge gap between the rich and the poor. Millions of Filipino women seek to marry foriegn men to escape the poverty. The big cities are full of crime. Che is very popular there. That says something right there. I saw alot of young filipinos wearing Che shirts. I saw a Bus with Che's picture on the front. About the bases? American capitalists are not total devils. Sometimes, they can show mercy. The American capitalists did get out of Panama.

[black sheep.]

I admit the Americans were better than the Spanish. They improved medical care and education on the Phillippine Islands.
Since the early 1900's there has been a deep respect for education in the Phillippines. The Filipinos are a well educated people. They have only one problem. Many cannot afford the high costs of college tuition.

However, the negative outweighs the positive. The Spanish treated the Filipinos as slaves. The Americans were somewhat better. However, they failed to bring real social change to the islands. As I said before, the Phillippines is a third (maybe fourth) world country. Only a Castro style government can bring real change. Some say that Castro's government has failed to bring economic prosperity. However, there is no more third world poverty there. Here is another good question. How was Cuba better off in 1984 (I'm talking about before the fall of the Soviet Union) then in 1955?

I admit I made a mistake in my last post. I only saw one person wear a che shirt. However, judging from the social conditions, there are probably more out there.