US Troops Admit to Regularly Killing Iraqi Civilians

[Michael De Panama]

Read this:

http://www.thisislondon.com/news/articles/...ning%20Standard (http://www.thisislondon.com/news/articles/5401680?source=Evening%20Standard)

[187]

"Their response is often to shoot first and ask questions later, even when it means killing genuine civilians."

That's the problem.

It's not as if their killing civilians just to kill civilians. They honestly believe that they are being threatened, and respond. It's not as sinister as it may at first appear to be.

(Edited by 187 at 1:37 am on June 22, 2003)

[Dirty Commie]

Innocents die in war, but this is murder, in an unjustified war at that...where are the war crime tribunals?

[Eastside Revolt]

War crime tribunals on the yanks? LOL

[Dirty Commie]

The best hope is to get Blair, bush will never be charged...I hate it, he'll rig the next election, or cancel due to "terror threats"...then we get four more years of Big Brother.

[Michael De Panama]

Quote: from 187 on 7:34 pm on June 21, 2003
"Their response is often to shoot first and ask questions later, even when it means killing genuine civilians."

That's the problem.

It's not as if their killing civilians just to kill civilians. They honestly believe that they are being threatened, and respond. It's not as sinister as it may at first appear to be.

(Edited by 187 at 1:37 am on June 22, 2003)

You seem pretty knowledgable on this matter. Ever lived through a similar regime-change situation before?

[Unrelenting Steve]

We cant have any more rouge states running around and doing whatever they want-GW has said something to that effect. So I say lets force the ICC treaty on America or sanctions, I mean we cant have the biggest rouge of all America running around rightoesly attacking whoever it wants just because of 9/11, hell they dont sanction the Palistenians responding to bombings on the gaza strip- wheres the moral consitantcy!!!???

(Edited by Unrelenting Steve at 2:47 pm on June 22, 2003)

[Urban Rubble]

America is the biggest rouge state in History.

[187]

"You seem pretty knowledgable on this matter. Ever lived through a similar regime-change situation before?"

No you?

[Michael De Panama]

Quote: from 187 on 3:21 pm on June 22, 2003
"You seem pretty knowledgable on this matter. Ever lived through a similar regime-change situation before?"

No you?
Read about "Operation Just Cause" of 1989 in Panama. American troops weren't burning down peasant neighborhoods and shooting schoolchildren because they felt "threatened". They weren't killing photographers who were trying to cover this because they felt "threatened". That said, all that was shown on the American media was that they were only killing in self-defense.

[CubanFox]

Quote: from Michael De Panama on 10:10 pm on June 22, 2003
"Operation Just Cause"

The names the US military gives to its operations make me sick.

Grenada was "Urgent Fury". Like there was any fricking urgency over Grenada. It's a fucking tiny island in the Caribbean.

Afghanistan was "Enduring Freedom"...yuck.

[mentalbunny]

Well currently this can't be used officially against them because we have no proof that they did not reqally feel threatened, or feel threatened to an appropriately high level, but iwth more proof we could. it's just that the past incidendents in Panama are not enough to go on

[187]

Michael,

Let's say you're a soldier in the US army. Frequently you are hearing about American troops being shot and ambushed by seemingly innocent civilians. Now when you are guarding a zone and civilians start running through the zones that they aren't supposed to(and you are trained to shoot before thinking) don't you think that you would make mistakes? I just find it very hard to believe that the US soliders are rounding up civilian school children, and photographers to be shot for the hell of it...or because they enjoy it.

I disagree with the 'shoot then think' tactic. If they're going to be police they need to use better judgement, even if that means risking themselves first.

[nz revolution]

These "soldeirs" signed up to put their lives on the line, they are not supposed to kill civilians even if they think they are threatened, end of story.

I don't think it is that unimaginable that U$ soldiers round up and kill civilians do you? Vietnam and Cambodia that was the norm after all they were only "gooks" right?

U$ war machine has got to be stopped, execute the Secretery of War Donald Rumsfeld. The "krypto-fascist bombastic*" fuck-wit.

*An apologist for U$ imperialism and capitalism wrote this in our uni magazine. He also called Wolfowitz a trotskyite-bolshevik too, quite amusing this guy (for his stupid labelling)

(Edited by nz revolution at 10:59 am on June 23, 2003)