BNP and White Supremacy.

[Forward Union]

Two sources to help substanciate the claim that the BNP is a Nazi Project...

Nick Griffin Speaking at a KKK rally in the US (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04QolIvfQEw&feature=related)

Griffin In his younger days (http://www.joechapman.org/thebnp/images/BNPNaziNickGriffin01a.jpg)

[Module]

BNP + UKIP Euro Elections 2009 (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=_IoRj2Nhwoo&NR=1)

[Melbourne Lefty]

Griffin turned around after that 2005 meet up and slagged off David Duke and all American racists for believing in anti-semitic conspiracy theories.

Either Nick Changed his mind at some stage or he is a very confused little fat boy.

No I wont link to fash sites.:cool:

[Operator]

I don't think these links fully back up the BNP are Nazis or White Supremacists given that the picture is decades old, taken before Nick Griffin became involved with the BNP, and only part of his speech was shown in that video, we can't tell what context he was speaking in.
Perhaps a leopards CAN change his spots...perhaps not. Either way more valid evidence is needed to back up such claims.

:)

[Melbourne Lefty]

Nick is not as dumb as most racists [not hard] he always knew that nazism was a bad image.

Even if he welcomed blood and Honour festivals on his family land it was more as a form of pragmatism rather than anything else. He needed to make his name.

Nick was a neo-fascist, in the true Italian sense of loving Julius Evola and following the "political soldier" Ideas that he and that Romanian dude with the photogenic face wrote about.

He was also quite clearly an anti-semite. No bones about it he was a big jew hater, he fell for all the bullshit the jew hating conspiracy mongers put out.

But as our fat boy fash grew older, Nick had a revelation of sorts. And in about 2003-2004 started telling his people not to talk about Jews anymore.

Then he told them not only should you not talk about jews, you shouldnt even believe in a jewish conspiracy to take over the world!:lol:

Naturally this pissed off the old style BNP member who had been around when Tyndall was boss and saw the "evil Jews" as being the reason for everything evil in this world.

He then when across to David Duke and told his audience that they shouldnt talk about Jews or the Holocaust. If he had been any more blunt about it he could have been lynched. David Duke and fascists all over the world began to wonder what happened to him?

He then attacked all the old fascists in his party, attacked scumfront, and even attacked David Duke!:laugh: For being an anti semite!

So either Nick has figured out that Jews dont control the world in a conspiracy to destroy the white 'race', or he figured out that talking about that conspiracy would simply lead to more years in the wilderness.

[#FF0000]

I don't think these links fully back up the BNP are Nazis or White Supremacists given that the picture is decades old, taken before Nick Griffin became involved with the BNP, and only part of his speech was shown in that video, we can't tell what context he was speaking in.
Perhaps a leopards CAN change his spots...perhaps not. Either way more valid evidence is needed to back up such claims.

:)

That one video is him speaking at a KKK meeting, telling them how to market their ideas.

[Sasha]

[offtopic] operator, may i ask why you have the avatar that you have? i hope you are just an pinkfloyd fan and unaware that its also the logo of an violent neo-nazi group? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hammerskins) if you didn't know, please change it, it can be offensive. But if you are an racist troll, please fuck off.[offtopic]

[Killfacer]

Part of his name is "defender of what is right" and he has a neo nazi symbol as his picture. Not looking great.

[Operator]

That one video is him speaking at a KKK meeting, telling them how to market their ideas.

I'd like to see the entire speech first though, before I can make claims about the BNP eing linked to White Supremacy.
Does anyone know where I could find it?

[Operator]

[offtopic] operator, may i ask why you have the avatar that you have? i hope you are just an pinkfloyd fan and unaware that its also the logo of a violent neo-nazi group? if you didn't know, please change it, it can be offensive. But if you are an racist troll, please fuck off.[offtopic]

I do beg your pardon, it IS just regarding Pink Floyd, I'm not familiar with very many Skinhead groups. I shall change it shortly and apologise if I have caused offence, that is not my intention.

[Holden Caulfield]

http://www.revleft.com/vb/nick-griffin-profile-t95529/index.html?p=1295738

try this for size Operator,

[Holden Caulfield]

Nazi Links to the BNP
http://www.hopenothate.org.uk/images/BNP_int_NA.gif
National Alliance. The foremost nazi group in the United States. NA speakers regularly address BNP meeting in the US and, in 1995, it founder and leader, William Pierce, spoke at the BNP annual rally in London. When Pierce died in the summer of 2002, the BNP posted an obituary on its website. Pierce was the author of The Turner Diaries, the fictional account of a Race War. The book proved to be an inspiration for the Oklahoma City bomber, Timothy McVeigh, and the London nailbomber David Copeland. The 2003 Red, White and Blue festival was attended by Turner’s successor Shaun Walker. Walker and two other National Alliance members were arrested in June 2006 in the US for attacking a Mexican man and a man of Native-American
origin.

http://www.hopenothate.org.uk/images/BNP_int_DDuke.gif
David Duke. A former Grand Wizard of the Ku Klux, is very close to Nick Griffin and the BNP. Since their first meeting in April 2000 Griffin has regularly shared platforms with Duke and the American’s antisemitic and Holocaust denial material is sold through the BNP. After attending a far right conference in Belgium with Griffin in December 2006 Duke attended the Holocaust denial conference in Tehran, Iran.

http://www.hopenothate.org.uk/images/BNP_int_DBlack.gif
Don Black. A former Alabama Klansman, Don Black runs the world’s largest white supremacist website – slogan “white pride, world wide”. BNP members run the British section. In 1981 Black and his supporters tried to invade the island of Dominica and set up a white supremacist state. The venture failed and Black was jailed for three years. Black and Griffin and Mark Collett were pictured together with David Duke at the 2006 American Renaissance conference.

[Holden Caulfield]

Front National. The French fascist group led by Jean-Marie Le Pen. Le Pen was convicted for dismissing the Holocaust as a “mere detail” of the Second World War and for violence. Griffin has publicly stated his admiration for the FN. Le Pen launched the BNP’s 2004 election campaign alongside Nick Griffin in Manchester. FN officials regularly attend the BNP Red, White and Blue festival, which was modelled on the FN event of the same name.


National Democratic Party. Germany’s leading nazi group. NPD leaders deny the Holocaust took place and revere Adolf Hitler. The NPD shares many of its activists with the outlawed Blood and Honour skinhead movement. In August 2002 Griffin attended a festival put on by the NPD’s newspaper Deutsche Stimme (German Voice), where he was photographed with Voigt and the former Ku Klux Klan leader David Duke. Later that month he took part in an NPD summer school with Mahler and Voigt. In May 2003 Griffin was billed to speak alongside Voigt, Fiore and the NPD’s lawyer Jürgen Rieger, but failed to turn up. Griffin organised a BNP demonstration outside the German embassy when the German government tried unsuccessfully to ban the NPD. When Griffin and other BNP officers were arrested last December on suspicion of causing race hate, the NPD website called for support for them.

[Dr Mindbender]

holocaust denial

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=iI8c69LOuC8

[Melbourne Lefty]

holocaust denial

iI8c69LOuC8


OOOOOHHH! That ones recent too!

Poor nicky!:lol:

Thats a bit more mealy mouthed than the 'no anti-semitism' line that he sells to the new members back home!

The problem with all the old NG anti-semitic stuff is that it is old, he can always say he changed his mind.

O BTW Griffin didnt speak at a Klan meeting, he spoke at a meeting ORGANISED by EX Klan leaders. I know it sounds picky but accuracy matters.

[Holden Caulfield]

ORGANISED by EX Klan leaderscomprising of 'ex' klan memebrs?

looks like a duck, sounds like a duck, moves like a duck, must be a duck

[Melbourne Lefty]

comprising of 'ex' klan memebrs?

looks like a duck, sounds like a duck, moves like a duck, must be a duck

Meh, I am being picky. But since David Duke sold the KKK members list to a mail order company for pocket money I dont really think that many klansmen [aside from Don Black] come to his shindigs anymore.

[Holden Caulfield]

the Klan doesn't really exist as one coherant organisation anymore, many 'klans' exist and many white supremacists take up the title out of some kind of hero worship of the history of the KKK

[Dr Mindbender]

http://www.hopenothate.org.uk/images/BNP_int_DBlack.gif
Don Black. A former Alabama Klansman, Don Black runs the world’s largest white supremacist website – slogan “white pride, world wide”. BNP members run the British section. In 1981 Black and his supporters tried to invade the island of Dominica and set up a white supremacist state. The venture failed and Black was jailed for three years. Black and Griffin and Mark Collett were pictured together with David Duke at the 2006 American Renaissance conference.

Isnt this guy also the chief admin of stormfront?

[Dimentio]

Nick is not as dumb as most racists [not hard] he always knew that nazism was a bad image.

Even if he welcomed blood and Honour festivals on his family land it was more as a form of pragmatism rather than anything else. He needed to make his name.

Nick was a neo-fascist, in the true Italian sense of loving Julius Evola and following the "political soldier" Ideas that he and that Romanian dude with the photogenic face wrote about.

He was also quite clearly an anti-semite. No bones about it he was a big jew hater, he fell for all the bullshit the jew hating conspiracy mongers put out.

But as our fat boy fash grew older, Nick had a revelation of sorts. And in about 2003-2004 started telling his people not to talk about Jews anymore.

Then he told them not only should you not talk about jews, you shouldnt even believe in a jewish conspiracy to take over the world!:lol:

Naturally this pissed off the old style BNP member who had been around when Tyndall was boss and saw the "evil Jews" as being the reason for everything evil in this world.

He then when across to David Duke and told his audience that they shouldnt talk about Jews or the Holocaust. If he had been any more blunt about it he could have been lynched. David Duke and fascists all over the world began to wonder what happened to him?

He then attacked all the old fascists in his party, attacked scumfront, and even attacked David Duke!:laugh: For being an anti semite!

So either Nick has figured out that Jews dont control the world in a conspiracy to destroy the white 'race', or he figured out that talking about that conspiracy would simply lead to more years in the wilderness.

Then the BNP could possibly gain more votes :(

Islamophobia is more popular than antisemitism today, I guess.

[Holden Caulfield]

Isnt this guy also the chief admin of stormfront?

yep, have you herd about operation red dog?

[Pirate turtle the 11th]

What the ell is red dog?

[Dr Mindbender]

yep, have you herd about operation red dog?

i have now.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Red_Dog

[Holden Caulfield]

Red Dog shows that they are just manipulative little cappies of the worst kind, in my opinion

[Melbourne Lefty]

Islamophobia is more popular than antisemitism today, I guess.


much more popular.

There are quite a lot of muslims in europe these days, and not many jews, probably has a bit to do with it.

Plus all the war on terror propaganda and you get a serious vote winner. If the BNP didnt have Nick dragging them down with his VERY anti-semitic past they might even have been in with a shot at being mainstream.

[Melbourne Lefty]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Red_Dog

hahahaha!

I forgot about that.

American fash are the most pathetic in the world. Put them up against the Italians or the French and they just look like hicks from the back country.

[Holden Caulfield]

BNP activists admit to race crime (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3894529.stm)

[Holden Caulfield]

"We do not accept the absurd superstition – propagated for different though sometimes overlapping reasons by capitalists, liberals, Marxists and theologians - of human equality. ...This must not be taken to mean or imply that we believe that any particular ethnic group or race is 'superior' or 'inferior'; we simply recognise that – as any biologist would be able to predict, and the new medical science of pharmacogenetics is now confirming – human populations which have undergone micro-evolutionary changes while being separated for many thousands of years have developed differences in many fields of endeavour, susceptibility to health problems, behavioural tendencies and such like."

British National Party: Rebuilding British Democracy general election manifesto 2005, p. 17

if that is rascist i don't know what it

[Melbourne Lefty]

This must not be taken to mean or imply that we believe that any particular ethnic group or race is 'superior' or 'inferior';


This worries me.

Denying any belief in supremacy sorts atops them being white supremicists, at least officially.