How can capitalist stay capitalist? - Is their any withstand

[Unrelenting Steve]

I mean really???? And if there is and its really insignifigant or not totaly substanciated can it really beat the points communism brings to the table?

just some points to bring up prior to contradict all the popular ones that really are quiet feeble:

Communism just doesnt work:
communsim has not been properly sceen tested, in all the cases of "communism", most would argue that wasnt true communism and can you really tell after only after 3 actual atempts, and capitalism has failed plenty of times, eg Africa. It can also be argued; the combustion engine worls, does that mean fossil fuels cant kill us all?

Liberty is lost: (Im just copy pasting this)
And dont come with your- they should do whatever they want capitalism/liberty for all crap- because your system deals with people who cant hold a job by not letting them afford food and starving. And then calling it a price for liberty (well you dont call it that, but logicaly it is your consequence for your over-extended freedom)

Well those are the main ones, now whats left that you cappies cling to that no one has yet contradicted to the point you can no longer use it as a motive to continue being capitalist????

-plz stay away from this thread if you are not inclined to support or condemn concepts based on morals.
Basicaly if your a survival of the fittest type of guy, go away, this is a debate based on the pressumption poeple have certain rights and should not be treated inhumanley.




(Edited by Unrelenting Steve at 6:20 pm on June 20, 2003)

[Unrelenting Steve]

you can revisit the two points above if you think Ive got something wrong- sorry for the arrogant layout


(Edited by Unrelenting Steve at 7:30 pm on June 20, 2003)

[Totalitarian]

On the subject of human rights and communism...um, well china and the USSR were all failed attempts now were they?

Not properly "screentested"...

Well now! Perhaps most people care more about kinship, spirituality and individual freedom rather than working as equal drones for a communist dictatorship.

And don't deny that what you advocate is a dictatorship, after all it's written there in the manifesto: "Proletarian dictatorship" > except some 'proles' ( the communist dicators) are more equal than others.

You ask that we all accept your notion of "human rights".

Humans are a part of Nature. In Nature, there are no rights. The deer being chased by the lion has the right to life only as long as she uses her genetic machine adequately to escape the attack. If she is brought down, then she has no right to life. The lion has the right to eat her.

It seems to be that "rights" are just another idea imposed by human minds on the ungraspable perfection of Nature.

[Unrelenting Steve]

On the subject of human rights and communism...um, well china and the USSR were all failed attempts now were they?

Not properly "screentested"...

Are you a retard! im not even answering that, cant even fucking read and comprehend, that is the moral nature of capitalism- ignorance and stupidity, thank you for providing yet another example of that.

Well now! Perhaps most people care more about kinship, spirituality and individual freedom rather than working as equal drones for a communist dictatorship.

yes they would be equal, im not sure what your definition of done is, but it sounds more like emotive language than a logical argument (therefore it wont be offerde a respit other than;" Id rather be a drone than a fat cat living in my lovley middle class surberbia palace built on the foundation of human missery from abroad which are easy to forget when my government would prefer me not even to know about them")

Kinship- is emphasized in communism

Spirituality-is not nessaraly contradicted by the bones of communism (and im Christian)

Individual freedom- Yes you dont have the have the freedom to enslave your neighbour, and you must work because you arent given the freedom to starve(fair trades I would say!)


And to your little rant about rights; if you believe that( all the law of the jungle shit) then you were asked not to reply, because you then dont care about humanity and the human condition, which I would say is a fair remark if you are truely a capitalist and are not just indoctranated into being one (meaning you actualy understand it), something which communsim is based on. So of course you wouldnt get communsim

now could someone with actual points to raise (implying they have some actual intelliegance) please make them!